unacceptable i now accept it

Sir, I am part of the 911 Truth Campaign in a broad sense such as I have been to many of the meetings, use the www.nineeleven.co.uk website and have distributed materials produced by them. To say they have acheived 'nothing' is to say that distributing thousands of leaflets acheives 'nothing'. It is to say that having speakers on 911 including the last man out of the twin towers William Rodriguez speak to thousands across the UK has acheived 'nothing'. If you were to say they had acheived 'little' then yes, I could agree.

I also belive in the hard facts and educating people to them as do most people in the Truth movement. By labelling anyone involved with 911 Truth Campaign as a 'conspiraloon' is certainly not going to win people to your campaign as if you set a new group up then no doubt the people would come to you would mostly be those from 9/11 Truth Campaign.

I understand your frustrations at the movement in the UK. I feel that there is a controlling government hand in there keeping the activities to a minimum for example I have given my info before now to help out and they have not contacted me. There meetings are more like a show where their selected speakers have their say and then we all leave. Individual action is not encouraged.

All movements have a controlling hand in them depending how successful they are. The Stop the War Coalition is the most blatantly government run movement I have experienced. But to sweep everyone who is a party to these groups is unfair.

We've been in touch with SOME of the more rational people in the 9/11 Truth Campaign, who we are willing to work with but the vast majority of those "leading" the campaign have proven themselves to be incompetent, I say this with the agreement of rational individuals within the campaign that we have spoken to.

So obviously we are not labelling all involved with the campaign as conspiraloons, but most of them, as they are not compelled to work with facts but would rather entertain fantasies while lives are being lost.

The 9/11 Truth Campaign has done a little to raise awareness but absolutely nothing beyond that. While raising awareness they mix fact with fiction and make absurd accusations.

They also use Alex Jones as a credible source of information. Nuff said.

Any attempt to split the movement will be destructive. What is needed is to simply root out the individuals who are being divisive as well as those who are allowing the campaign to be discredited through wilfully neglecting to filter out insane crackpot conspiracy lunacy and nonsense or those ideas or conspiracy theories which may appear as so.

The reason behind the desire to split because there may be a concerted attempt occurring at discrediting the 911 Truth Movement in their non-critical filtering of taking in every nutty conspiracy theory, instead of just focussing on the fundamentals, such as: questioning the 911 commission and call for a proper enquiry, uncovering the conspiracy of silence over Building 7, the disppearance of the telephone recordings of flight passengers and people in the towers, the Pentagon fissure not the wingspan of a plane, the non-action of US Air Force and air traffic control on the morning of Sept 11 2001, the money transfer to Mohammed atta's bank account on 10/09/01 from the Head of Pakistani Intelligence, and finally and not least, the fact the twin towers collapsed on their own footprint in a unprecendented 8 seconds, meaning the steel frame of the building melted as well as the fact that weeks after the collapse, molton steel was still present at the base of the twin towers, meaning the foot of the building collapse were still 1000s of degrees centigrade!!!!

The time has come to, in the words of Mc Dizzee Rascal, to "Fix Up and Look Sharp!"

I agree they have acheeved much and most of them do not deserve to be slagged off as conspirasy loons.I too have been to some of there meetings while in the uk. I travell between USA and UK often. As a muslim girl I know what it is like to get target by the police as a terror suspect. It happen to my brother. I go to 911 and anti war meetings in America and UK. I would very much like to see the informations you were trying to send the 911 group. Would you be so kind as to send me a copy via an email? my email address is  yasminab@yahoo.com.
I think Rich is right. There is a click that run the 911 group in London and if you are not part of there inner circle it is hard to get reelly involved. But I think may be the new group will be the same - ie run by a click. I get disapointed by campaine groups as i do not find any are willing to be totally open or democractic which causes unhappy members and leeds to splits. Also too many want to be nasty to each other. The Prophet, PBUH, teaches us to be kind to each other. I do not find a group to do the things i mention except my Muslim and Christian Sisters and some other non-religious sisters. Sorry for my English!

I think it could be good to have a 911 "Investigation" event. It could be done for 7/7 as well.
Good speakers could each pressent questions about each 911 topic. For instance someone or many more than one, could pick all the questions and things that do not add up on WTC7, then another person could pressent questions about the plane that hit the pentagon, and so on. Invite top international speakers like David Ray Griffin and get them to take part or to be the panel of "judges".
Dare those who still beleeve in official conspirasy to come along.Invite them be nice to them to get them to come.
They could stick to rational and use science to help and use quotes from scienctists. Also use quots from FBI and other agencies like Robert Wright.
Set it up like a tribunal.
Invite the public.
Film it.
Have demonstrations outside US embassy and UK parliament.
What do you think? any suggestions too?

Funny that, you talk about conspiracyloons and lizards versus cold hard facts.
I never heard anything about Lizards or any other kinds of reptiles being involved with 911.
perhaps I have missed some thing ?
There are quite a few people striving to get some of the cold hard facts into the mainstream media.
I wouldn't call any of them conspiracyloons. Then there are people like Alex Jones who use these stories
to big themselves up, but there is not much wrong with what he says, I have visited his site a couple of times
but I can't say I am that keen on him but I can't see any point in slagging him.

To perfectly honest I think that the people who really deserve the label "conspiracyloon" are the people who believe in the totally outrageous "official version" any one who thinks that elements very close to the US government had a big hand in 911 is basically a looney.
Just watching the way the buildings came down in a nice clean (pulverized" pile of rubble has gotta make you start wondering a bit. Then you here that NORAD and the USAF had taken the day off and the guy who supposedly flew the plane had had two months training on toy planes. I mean come on !
The plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon disappeared into a small whole in the wall the official video released
by the U.S government confirmed there was no plane.
What was flight 93 ? crashed on the edge of woodlands and disappeared into a whole in the ground, pretty good really for disappearing aeroplanes with all the evidence vaporized except of course the passport that dropped put of the sky into a policemans head. yeah do me a strawberry flavour !!

It's not about gaining numbers, it's about achieving results.

Yasmina Begum, you're not the first to call the 9/11 Truth Campaign a click as we've heard it said a few times. It appears to be controlled by a group in London that is thought to have close ties to MI5.

This might explain why they have achieved nothing and is one of the reasons why we don't communicate with them.

Our focus is to work with individuals around the country and I'm pleased to see support for this new, credible campaign that has clarity and does away with the elitism of the old campaign.

This is evolution.

We are already speaking to a number of journalists, politicians and lawyers. Tony Blair (as an individual) has broken international law and will be brought to justice.

If you get any conviction on Tony Blair I will be surprised.

If we succeed or fail at, least we tried. At least we have stood up for all those killed as a result of 9/11.

We have (more than enough) funding to do this and instead of spending it on plane tickets and silly banners, we will use it for something worthwhile.

well the critics and the "other side" are laughing
to split a campaign group again
when the old one is run
by ex MI5 and the new by ex US intelligence.
in the troubles of derry and bogside
and ive seen it all before i have
its divide and rule
play one group off of another
and down the pan goes the campaign

US (New groups leader) and UK (older groups leader) intelligence rivalries or behind the scenes they work together to play one off the other. Divide and rule just like in Northern Ireland. At least we knew what it was all about - seems like the brits better wise up too. And that goes for STW, SWP. And NFB (an MI5 dissinfo asset)
Meanwhile us mere ordinary members of 911 group/s must soldier on regardless, exposing the lies of 911 official version despite it all.
Why is 911 so important? because its the reason used to wage war on civil liberties and so-called rogue states. It shows just how far these neocons will go.Thats why I will still be involved even when I know who the leaders are. Show me a group thats not controlled by the other side.

Rational
Thanking you for your reply, but how pleasse to stop your group becoming a click?
Also Iam worryed a little bit about the angry sound of your first posting as it make me think may be you are all angry people who may get angry at me or anyone who may join but you dissaggree with.
Salaam Allahaikum
Yasmina

No conspiracy, the facts indicate that high ranking officials were involved eg george bush dick cheney the rothschilds, blair and israel and others -wake up no conspiracy, this was carefully planned or so the planners thought-what are we waiting for-come on people, we have to hold the people involved accountable now is the time.
josila

We have (more than enough) funding to do this and instead of spending it on plane tickets and silly banners, we will use it for something worthwhile.

Rational

Perhaps the funding best spent on educating our young not to join the forces.

On the second Thursday of each month- next 11th Oct - at the Just Church, Great Horton
Doubters of the official conspiracy theory

Making a killing: how private armies became a $120bn global industry - see link

Theres 2 issues:
1) Problems found in any group: No group is perfect because they are run by imperfect individuals. hence there will be some problems like misscommunication, misstrust, some people are more extrovert hence become more prominent, some people feel their voices left out. Almost every group may inevitably have what appears to be a clique but often those in the clique are not aware of it. People need to speak up respectfully with each other.
Solution: for the group to be aware of this and take steps to help others feel more included.
maybe each group to have a group dynamics awareness session and brain storming on how to resolve internal conflicts.
All Campaign groups suffer from the added problem of intelligence or other types of infiltrators as Mickey pointed out.That includes anarchist groups.

2) The 911 london group. Will of course have problems common to ALL groups but it doesnt help to form a split and divide us.Nor does it help to resort to insults or aggressive behaviour.
It has acheived much and can acheive more. Those with suggestions please come to our public meetings and raise them ie Yasmina please come along. If you dont feel comfortable raising it yourself, speak to a few of us in private and we can advis/help you.We want to be part of the solution not the problwem and that means mutual support of each other.we had to pay plane tickets for people like William Rodriguez to come!! We do have some members with more out there views but we all come together with the common focus of exposing 911 and other false flag terrorism.

We've dealt with you, we're done dealing with you.

Our guys in Leeds have seen that group in full swing, no thanks. We're doing what we're doing for different reasons.

Our guys in London refuse to fit in with the posers, again we have different motivation.

We will not suckle at tithe of Alex Jones. We don't need to.

Our inspiration is drawn from Indymedia, Schnews, Urban75 etc

This is not a division because we were never with you to begin with.

It's your choice. WYTC would appreciate any group working within the Tatchell/Fisk axis, which would possibly draw in more leftist types than we are able to do.
Go ahead and do it. Wish you well.

Hey Rational,

great to hear that you are planning on getting some action going to promote the case for 9/11 Truth ... so what are you doing here? Just spouting forth and bitchin' or are you actually going to get off your butt and do something constructive?

Just do it!

Al K. Myst

Different organisations striving for something better has got to be good - the existing campaign has not been perfectly organised by any means.

Please help spread this to all and sundry

If Another 911 Happens It's Cheney - US Peace Movement
 http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11031

Listing problems with the so called 9/11 Truth Movement is quite easy if you have been around it for a while.

The are also problems with the broad left and the libertarian left and the are problems with the articles by Robert Fisk and Peter Tatchell and there are problems with the article above.

"Are the attacks directly responsible for both nations being controlled by war criminals?"

The US Empire has always been run by genocidal war criminals in the so called "post-war" period: "the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world" [1], listen to the Empire as a Way of Life series [2], this is nothing new.

""9/11 Truth Campaign (Britain and Ireland)" conspiraloons need not apply, you've achieved nothing in the years that we've allowed you to "give it a shot"."

"Our inspiration is drawn from Indymedia, Schnews, Urban75 etc"

You seem to be implying that the likes of "Indymedia, Schnews, Urban75 etc" have allowed the "9/11 Truth Campaign (Britain and Ireland)" to "give it a shot"? This clearly isn't the case in so many ways, where have you been? The activist and broader left has been mostly dreadful on the question of 9/11 and some still are, for example Alex Doherty [3].

But the geopolitics of the "war on terror" has been explored by people like Michel Chossudovsky [4], Nafeez Ahmed [5] and Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone [6], all on the left -- there is no need to refer to the likes of Alex Jones.

Robert Fisk and Peter Tatchell have both however, to some degree, fallen info a trap, they both make indirect references to discredited (within the 9/11 truth movement) no-planes and directed energy weapons theories.

Robert Fisk said [7]:

"Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive"."

He is referring to Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood [8], and the links to 9/11 truth movement sites in Peter Tatchell's article [9] are even more explicit in their direct reference to sources considered to be disinformation [10] by many.

But of course the article's by Robert Fisk and Peter Tatchell do represent a break through and are to be welcomed, it's becoming more acceptable to question the official conspiracy theories.

In the US the attitude of 9/11 truth sites and communities like 911truth.org and 911blogger.com to disinformation is to mostly ignore it after demolishing it. A recent example of this is the showing up of Webster Tarply [11] following the Kennebunkport Warning hoax [12].

The UK based discussion board at nineeleven.co.uk seems at times to be swamped not only by disinformation of this nature but also by threads on topics such as the holocaust, peak oil and climate change that are absolutely horrendous, I don't like suffixing of topics with the "denial" label but anyone who does would do so quickly to lots of posters after spending much time on this forum.

So there clearly is room for something along the lines of what the article above is arguing for, if you want to form a group, but the issue of disinformation has to be addressed and the advice of Jenny Sparks [13] seems good:

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1: Get your group organizied. This is a weakness that is coming into more and more focus for me as THE single reason distruptors are able to get and keep their vampiric attachment. Many of us kick ass on our own, but then we start working with a group and things get--weird. People who have no busness having responsibilities strangely do. Reasonable suggestions get panned for no good reason. Does this sound like your group? RUN, don't walk, away and form your own group with other sane people.

2: There are many ways to effectively organize you group along democratic principles, but to survive as a 9/11 activist group, both being effective and uncompromised your group organization MUST have these functions in some clear form everyone understands and is willing to use:

A: Executive authority to pull the plug on any event or member that has become a liability. Whether you do it by vote, or committe, it doesn't matter, as long as the proceedure is known, the circumstances under which you use the proceedure is agreed and outlined in advance, and to use it, requires chain of custody insofar as proving X is a problem. It shouild be as democratic as you can manage AND also not easily used in a simple personal dispute.

B: a common understanding and support of adult behavior and communication. NO FREE RIDES for members who skate on the sympathy for their "issues". The minute their "issues" become a liability, they need to be confronted, and if they refuse to acknowledge their problem and it's effect on your activism, a vote should be taken on whether they get to stay. And even if that vote goes their way, their responsibilities need to be reduced until they can prove they are an asset again.

C: ZERO tolerance for "crazy making, manipulative behavior". Examples from real life:

"I'll help promote the DRG lecture, but ONLY if I get to intoduce him."

After asking for the rest of the ticket sales for a week:"I'll give you those figures, but if I have to, I'm charging the group my shipping fees."

You wish I was making this up.

They will take advantage of any in they can get. Like that ponce Rove, they will do their best to make a strength a weakness. Most of us are all about the openess and free speech--and that is exactly what the slags will try to hit you with when you challenge them on their distruptive tactics. And watch out if you start winning the argument because the facts are on your side--then you'll be accused of "hate speech". You think I'm joking...

The good news is that their play book is old. They're still relying on emotional manipulation and peer-pressure to do most of their work. In a way they're behind the curve, but they won't stay that way unless we get our shite together.

Many of you are finding this all boring. Sorry, chums, but this is the back ground work upon which successful events and movements are built. So run you group through this Fun Quiz(all quizes are "fun", dammit):

1: Do your events seem to be ad hoc affairs that rely more on luck than planning for their success?

2: Are there people who seem to be crazy and/or incompetent but are strangly in leadership roles?

3: Does your group refuse any responsibility for problems even when the factual evidence shows otherwise?

4: When planning an event is going well, does someone try to throw off topic shite in at the last minute, wasting everyone's time and energy?

5: Does your group express sympathy for "space beams" or "mini-nukes" and no one challeges this rubbish? Do you feel if you challenge it you will be attacked?

6: Does you group seem to be clueless to the fact that attacking people for being Jews or gay is a bad thing?

7: Is there a hostility for any attempts at competenmt managment?

Example from real life: "maybe we should test our equipment at the theatre to make sure it's compatable before the event." "Oh, no, no. That's not neccessary. We can do that at the theatre an hour before we show the film." HISTORICAL NOTE: Their equipment WASN'T compatable. The show went on, but only after jury-rigging a mess of cables. This event, a "Press For Truth" showing, almost had to be cancelled.

Add your "yes" answers up:

0 yes's--where is your group and how soon can I join? Very Happy

1 yes' --your group is possibly salvagable if you have others who share your doubts. Or you could have an issolated incidence of cluelessness. Time will tell.

2 yes' or more--RUN, don't walk, out the door! Cut your losses and form you own group.

Some of you still reading this will say, "But, but, we can't afford to lose allies in the struggle for the 9/11 Truth!"

Snap out of it, luv. We do not need "allies" who are disorganized, crazy making loons who will be a liability later. (*cough* Shayler!) Nor do we need racist, homophobes. Stop acting like a "battered-activist" for fuck's sake!

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[1] Deaths In Other Nations Since WW2 Due To US Interventions, James A. Lucas,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/371890.html

[2] Empire as a Way of Life, Dr John Marciano,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/06/374166.html

[3] Britain's 9/11 "Truth Movement" – Who's Responsible?, Alex Doherty,  http://ukwatch.net/article/britains_9_11_truth_movement_whos_responsible_0

[4] War and Globalization - The Truth Behind September 11, Michel Chossudovsky,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/05/341703.html#war-and-globalization

[5] "INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM: THE SECRET HISTORY", Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/11/356939.html

Creating Terror, Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/07/376665.html

[6] Taking Aim Audio Archives, Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone,  http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html

[7] Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11, Robert Fisk,  http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece

[8] Professors Make Legal Challenges to NIST 9/11 World Trade Centre Report, PRLEAP.COM,  http://www.prleap.com/pr/92756/

[9] 9/11 – The big cover-up?, Peter Tatchell,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/380880.html?c=on#c180810

[10] The 9/11 B. S. Movement, John Doraemi,  http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/07/911-b-s-movement.html

COINTELPRO Special, Michael Wolsey,  http://www.visibility911.com/reports-cointelpro01.php

Discrediting By Association: Undermining the Case for Patriots Who Question 9/11, Victoria Ashley,  http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/patriots_question/index.html

Information Warfare: Ideas as Weapons in the Era of Deception, Jim Hoffman,  http://911review.com/infowars.html

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation,  http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

[11] 9-11 Synthetic Error - The meltdown of Webster G. Tarpley, Michael Wolsey,  http://911blogger.com/node/11441

[12] How we broke the Kennebunkport Hoax Story, Jenny Sparks,  http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-we-broke-kennebunkport-hoax-story.html

Kennebunkport Warning, Arabesque,  http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/Kennebunkport%20Warning

[13] Comment posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:12 pm by Col. Jenny Sparks,  http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62

While I have no problem with taking advice from comic-book characters, I would like to point out the following rules not only apply to every activist venture I've ever witnessed, but also to every other venture - especially seriously funded corporate or local government projects, but even down to family gatherings. I'd say these are less evidence of CointelPro infiltration and more part of the human condition, or at least evidence you, me and Col. Sparks are cynical. So I don't think you should "RUN, don't walk, out the door! Cut your losses and form you own group" if you answer yes to the following 5 questions, I can say yes to all of these every time I do any group activity.


1: Do your events seem to be ad hoc affairs that rely more on luck than planning for their success?

2: Are there people who seem to be crazy and/or incompetent but are strangly in leadership roles?

3: Does your group refuse any responsibility for problems even when the factual evidence shows otherwise?

4: When planning an event is going well, does someone try to throw off topic shite in at the last minute, wasting everyone's time and energy?...

7: Is there a hostility for any attempts at competenmt managment?


Apologies if this post breaks rule 4. I'm not saying there isn't CointelPro abuse, just that these aren't the best identifiers of that.

Hurrah for self-appointed, unelected secret 'groups' who post calls on Indymedia UK. No really! How can this be anything other than news?

"No more conspiraloons, no more "Illuminati", no more lizards, no more crazy."

I wonder what nick 'Rational' uses on Comment is Free - where Peter Tatchell, was reduced to complaining that:

"..... some of my critics have serious charges to answer too:

a) Why the hysterical, vicious tone of their condemnations?

b) Why have most of them consistently and maliciously misrepresented what I said and tried to scurrilously lump me together with “man in the moon” style 9/11 conspiracy theorists – or as an apologist or fellow traveller with such theorists?

c) And why the nakedly nasty tone on what is supposed to be the website of a progressive, liberal newspaper? According to some, because of this one article I wrote, they no longer respect me and will no longer trust anything I say. One lapse of judgement, as they see it, and I am to be written off and dismissed. Forty years of campaigning for democracy, human rights and social justice apparently count for little, from now on."

Whilst 'rational' quotes Tatchell's article with approval, he resorts to exactly the same tactics that Tatchell complains of.

And mark my words, if there is a real group who are intending to campaign on the issue of 9/11, they will feel the force of that tactic when it is used on them.

And , having failed to identify who this self-appointed, unelected secret cabal is, 'Rational' declares that:

""9/11 Truth Campaign (Britain and Ireland)" conspiraloons need not apply, you've achieved nothing in the years that we've allowed you to "give it a shot"."

The sheer arrogance of it is breathtaking - "we've allowed you to give it a shot" - like he and his secret group have that authority.

Mind you, he then goes on to say that:

"Our inspiration is drawn from Indymedia, Schnews, Urban75 etc"

Urban75 being that privately owned forum, where rational people long ago learned that there was no point in trying to discuss anything on the topic with the landlord, because the landlord is an authoritarian bully.

I can see how 'Rational' finds that style inspiring, it seems to measure his own.

So, a secret group with no contact details is having a go at the troofers, using a newswire to do it.

What happened to the news,? Whens the first meeting? Wheres the site?

Surely you're going to give us a chance to check you out and work out for ourselves if you're nearly as important as you think you are?

Or maybe not - perhaps 'Rational' will be too busy sitting under a bridge, saying " Who goes trip trap, trip trap......"

Chris Floyd put it well [1] when talking about why a proper investigation, "a genuinely independent, wide-ranging, in-depth investigation, with full subpoena powers and full access to all material, whatever its security classification -- and testimony under oath, and under pain of perjury, from every relevant official, including the president and the vice president" won't happen:

"there will never be an investigation like that into 9/11. Regardless of what it might or might not reveal about the origin of the attacks, such a free-wheeling, fully-powered probe would inevitably uncover other vast swamps of bloody murk in the shadowlands where state power, criminal gangs, covert ops and financial interests mingle, merge, squabble and seethe. It would, in other words, open a window into the real way that the world works, into the bestial realm of raw power and savage greed that churns on behind the facade of public events and the trappings of state."

Ralph Schoenman has also addressed this issue [2] and instead has advocated a tribunal:

“Present the massive prima facie case to the court of public opinion… Tribunals are in essence a means of grand jury-like presentiment to our population for purposes of mobilizing people in their own self defense, to address this criminal system as such. And if we look to the perpetrators as an arena of redress, we will be pissin’ up a rope, quite frankly-The nature of our task here is to build a constituency for a political struggle for a political instrument of change to sweep this entire oligarchy, this corporate ruling class, out of control of our institutional life…”

When Ralph Schoenman talks about a tribunal he knows what he is talking about, he was a key figure for the one organised during the Vietnam war [3]. Perhaps the closest thing to this we have now is the Perdana Peace initiative [4], there have also been other calls for legal action for example the Manifesto of Resistance [5], which calls for:

"Undertaking criminal proceedings against these monsters and their organization is an urgent obligation. Multiple proceedings should be undertaken by the victims of 11th September and by other real and potential victims of this crime, which has been proliferating since that fateful date under the cover of the so-called “war against terror”. This war has only just begun and it threatens every citizen in the world. Mankind, therefore, rejecting the “end of history”, has the right and duty to undertake the trial of the century against the criminal organization of the century."

But we need more that "international law to bring justice to these criminal leaders", 9/11 was an act of Empire [6], and the movement that is trying to expose it cannot be limited to bringing down a few criminal leaders, Manuel Valenzuela [7] put it like this:

"This movement has uncovered the truth, yet it must also alter or abolish the system itself. For what good does knowing the truth do if the same system that created 9/11 is allowed to once again roam freely in power and control? If the system is not changed, if it does not evolve, we the People will see many more 9/11’s, many on a grander scale, many created for one purpose: control."

9/11 is a key event because it has been used to justify the current phase of the global, permanent, imperial resource war and the corresponding attacks on civil liberties. Seeing through it is crucial, it exposes the modus operandi of the rulers of the global capitalist system.



[1] Shadow and Swamp: A Brief Discursion on 9/11, Chris Floyd,  http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1281/135/

[2] RALPH SCHOENMAN: BUT DON’T PISS UP A ROPE!, snowshoefilms,  http://www.archive.org/details/rschoenmanchicago06

[3] International War Crimes Tribunal,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Tribunal

[4] Perdana Global Peace Forum,  http://www.perdana4peace.org/

[5] Manifesto of Resistance,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361603.html#c166153

[6] The American Empire and 9/11, David Ray Griffin,  https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/369677.html

[7] The Great American Catalyzing Event, Manuel Valenzuela,  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/04/367959.html

Unless I have missed something, your campaign has yet to set the world alight, but I sincerely wish you luck with it. The 9/11 truth movement needs as many people and organisations supporting its basic call for a new investigation as possible.

Despite your childish insults, laughable assertion that you have been letting 'us' have a go all this time and your highly dubious sucking up to the likes of Urban 75, if you think you can do better, then you are very welcome to have a go. We have never claimed a monopoly on 9/11 truth activism.

Of course it would be a lot easier for readers to assess whether you are credible voice who has something worthwhile to say, if you (and your friends) were a bit more open as to your identity or do you plan to be like a mystical sub-commandante Marcos figure?

I had heard whispers that you might be a certain 'former US naval intelligence officer', but I met the said 'former US naval intelligence officer' last night and he assures me he is not Rational.

You, "rational" just CANT stand a campaign that has so many key members that are WOMEN!
Either you, "rational" are a ex? us intelligence officer or you are that loony tune larry ohara or his pal/s who write for that MI5 dissinformation asset journal NFB.
If so you are nothing but sexist zionist islamophobic bully boys. Go join the BNP - they like people like you.