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Truth ALWAYS hurts
11.11.2008 19:02
1. what the fuck constitutes 'good coverage' of AR campaigners? Any coverage you people get of the AV issue is invariably BAD; you virtually always misrepresent the issue, often even suggesting that vivisection is of benefit with ludicrous talk about 'alternatives', and 'rights for rats' (hopeless when people have children with cancer.) You even go in for supporting the infiltrators in the movement in the guise of BUAV, Hadwen Trust, etc.
2. If you AR people guessed your campaigns were ultimately going to be a failure why the hell did you just carry on as normal? Oh yeah I forgot, the answer is that you like to be martyrs, pissing off the public and genrally being oh so different from 'ordinary' people.
Wake the hell up; your campaigns are useless. SHAC and SPEAK have KILLED the AV movement; there is no longer an effective AV movement in the UK, it has been killed by the selfish, egotistical, and generally purile antics of the AR movement who cannot be arsed to study the subject and use the only effective arguments that will kill vivisection, ie the scientific, medical and financial arguments.
Then just to make sure the final nail is driven in you terrorise innocent people, threaten childrens' nurseries, and dig dead people up! This really gets support from the public guys.
Today the AV movement died - and it is entirely the fault of the animal rights movement. I wish the lot of you would just stay on safe ground, like circuses, zoos, etc, where you can't do any harm.
Steve
Steve.....
11.11.2008 19:23
Yes, the scientific argument is EXTREMELY important...and maybe if people knew how dangerous vivisection is to human beings they would better understand the actions of the "extremists" who you're so angry at?
We're currently looking at the EU Directive that has just been published for ways we can tighten it up for the sake of the animals and to the detriment of the vivisectors...So, instead of angry rants on Indymedia which cause animosity maybe you and your organisation could be better employed working on that than condemning the actions of others?
Each to their own, neither condemn nor condone,
G2H
Steve=Troll
11.11.2008 22:56
The Oxford lab was pushed through with financial support from the government (i.e. us, the taxpayers). Otherwise it would probably not have happened. When you are a grassroots campaign up against the whole government, it is very difficult to win these short-term battles!
Pharmaceutical multinationals have politicians in their back pocket and were shit scared that another animal rights victory would scare investment overseas, that is why they can get the government to do their bidding.
But you can bet that any big pharmas looking for a place to build their labs will think very carefully before choosing to locate in the UK. They see the depth of feeling against animal abuse here and the ferocity of the campaigns against them, and will probably view other places much more favourably.
no to animal abuse
Reply To Bones
12.11.2008 11:25
Think the intention, was for Mel to have been found guilty, then open the lab shortly after, didn't quite work out though. A case of PSYOPS me thinks.
It isn't over until the fat lady sings :)
Matrix
Same Old
12.11.2008 14:03
'Animals are only used in our research where no othertechnique is available and the university is absolutelycommitted to replacing animal use wherever possible," saidProfessor Alastair Buchan, head of the medical sciencesdivision at Oxford.'
I wonder how he can then explain how animal experiments are actually increasing not reducing?? They are also refusing, with their usual tranparency, to say how many animals they are using and how many primates they will have there, and you can bet it will be excluded from the FOI Act is we try to find out!! . But....fear not folks, life saving research will be carried ouit!! I would love to see the actual statistics of what life saving research this lab achieves.
Good to know that us taxpayers are also paying for this place of torture
'the Government had agreed to pick up the tab for everything but the “core” cost of the development.University Registrar Julie Maxton said: “
anon
SPEAK
12.11.2008 14:10
Then of course Mel was arrested and has spent nearly a year in prison as a cat A prisoner simply for questioning vivisection. The entire power of the state continues to be used against grass roots anti vivisectionists including violence, harassment, threats, lies, smear campaigns, incarceration, constant surveillance, constant disruption of legal activities against animal abuse, ad infinitum. Against overwhelming odds as a movement we should be proud of ourselves that we have never given up and continue to fight on. It was amazing to watch Newsnight with Michelle Thew (now I know about the BUAV's past but I will not openly criticise someone on the same side) arguing brilliantly against he who should not be named (injunction) about how animal testing is bad science. A couple of years ago this would not have happened.
Lynn Sawyer
Insight
12.11.2008 21:30
Brock
Animal Rights People
23.11.2008 22:27
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