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Bob Lambert talk disrupted

off the pig | 11.02.2012 21:30 | SHAC | Animal Liberation | Policing

Ex-informant turned academic, Bob Lambert, faced heckling and embarrassment in St. Andrews during his first public engagement since news broke regarding the son he fathered with an activist.

On Thursday 9th February two animal rights activists disrupt a talk in St. Andrews by recently 'outed' police spy Bob Lambert.

Bob Lambert, who worked deep undercover in the London animal rights and environmental political scene, is one of many recently exposed undercover police in the UK radical political scene. Whilst serving in the Metropolitan police, Bob Lambert infiltrated London Greenpeace and animal rights groups with the intent of disrupting their activities. During his time undercover Bob Lambert also fathered a child with a fellow activist whilst withholding information about his true identity and intent. Two years after the child's birth Bob Lambert left the activist scene and returned to a conventional policing role.

Almost twenty years later Bob Lambert poses as a 'progressive academic' and sat on a panel at his home university, the University of St. Andrews, for a talk titled 'Overcoming Obstacles: Counter-Terrorism Police and Community Engagement.' Several activists leafleted the talk outside handing out leaflets that read:

''Do you think it's alright to…trick someone into a romantic relationship so that you can spy on them and their friends?…lie to them and everyone else about your identity in order to do so?…maintain this pretence of love and trust for more than a year? …have a child with your deceived 'partner' and then abandon the child for decades while concealing your identity from them?

Robert Lambert, the man speaking before you seems to think that this is acceptable behaviour for a public servant. He engaged in all of them during his years as an officer with the Metropolitan Police, sent to spy on peaceful environmental and animal rights campaigns. Perhaps this is Lambert's idea of 'community engagement.'

Is it yours?''

As soon as Bob Lambert started his talk two animal rights activists stormed out after shouting and pointing at Bob Lambert phrases like, 'shame!', 'where is your son, Bob?' and 'sex is not community engagement!.' Audience members reported him as startled and mumbled the first section of his speech.

We were thrilled.

We challenge the State's use of womyn's bodies; all animals are equal regardless of gender or species.

Go vegan.

off the pig

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Bob Lambert - Rapist, Deciever and Liberal Shill

12.02.2012 11:51

This piece of shit undercover pig who was responsible for the operation of multiple rape gangs (read :undercover cop units) likes to pretend he is a "progressive" and is motivated by "social justice". In reality Bob is a lying, manipulative abuser who raped women and built a career from it, and helped build careers like it for many, many police officers.

Here is the contact details for the section of St.Andrews Uni he works at. You can find a good picture of him on the website for identification purposes.

Rape is Terrorism.

-

The Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence (CSTPV)

School of International Relations, University of St. Andrews

New Arts Building, Library Park, The Scores

St Andrews, Fife, KY16 9AX

Scotland, UK

Tel: +44 (0) 1334 462935

Fax: +44(0) 1334 461922

email:  gm39@st-andrews.ac.uk

Off the Pig


picture of Robert "Bob" Lambert

12.02.2012 15:39

Secret police spy and rapist Bob Lambert
Secret police spy and rapist Bob Lambert

here is a picture of Bob Lambert

anon


Generally good but...

12.02.2012 18:11

... signing off your post with 'go vegan' and saying that all species are equal is massively problematic, and I don't even believe you mean it.

Anarchist


equal as in afforded equal consideration

13.02.2012 09:53

re: Anarchist.

Obviously all animals aren't "equal" in the sense of being able to speak or needing a right to education, voting rights, etc. Just as men and women aren't "equal" in the sense of having an identical physiology. If you use a little bit of thought you'll realise what is meant is something slightly different:

All animals have the capacity for suffering, pain etc. So all equality means in this instance is that we afford equal consideration to suffering regardless of the species, which isn't really relevant in this context. You see the suffering as bad, and the species membership doesn't really matter. It is just being logically consistent really.

vegan


Errr...

13.02.2012 17:28

...I'm afraid that's rubbish. Eating animals is fine, and has been for millenia. Killing or eating animals is not the same as killing or eating people, and they shouldn't be afforded equal consideration. And I don't think you *really* think that either, you've just bought into the animal rights ideology.

Non vegan @


er: Errr...

13.02.2012 19:33

Why is species membership relevant at all when considering suffering? Surely suffering is bad whatever? Animals have central nervous systems and respond to painful stimuli in a very similar way to us.

It sounds like *you* haven't really thought it through, and are just buying in to the mainstream ideology where human suffering is elevated, well, just because it is our species rather than for any rational reason. Which is understandable - it does take a certain mindset to follow the logic even when it can make your life more complicated and go against the mainstream view.

If you think it is OK to inflict pain on animals then please explain why in terms that aren't just "because they aren't human". Do you think they can't feel pain?

Would you support all sorts of pain inflicted on non-humans e.g. torture just for fun? If not, why not? Why is it acceptable just to please your taste buds? A vegan diet in this day and age is perfectly healthy and easy to follow so killing animals for food isn't necessary for survival.

vegan


So many problems with your arguements...

13.02.2012 21:25

... I can't be bothered to address them. And I have thought about them, thanks very much, I just don't agree with them!

@

Yawn


Serious question

13.02.2012 22:06

>> Why is species membership relevant at all when considering suffering? Surely suffering is bad whatever? Animals have central nervous systems and respond to painful stimuli in a very similar way to us.

>> It sounds like *you* haven't really thought it through, and are just buying in to the mainstream ideology where human suffering is elevated, well, just because it is our species rather than for any rational reason. Which is understandable - it does take a certain mindset to follow the logic even when it can make your life more complicated and go against the mainstream view.


I've thought it through. I don't think you have.
I think human suffering is and should be elevated way above animal suffering.

To proof my point, consider this:
If there is a runaway train carriage containing 25 cows rolling down a track towards a child on the track You can save those 25 cows but pulling a switch lever, to detour the carriage. Unfortunately, the carriage will go over a cliff killing all the cows.

Do you:
1) Let the child die as the result of the accident?
2) Or, save the human child but cause the death of 25 innocent cows in the process?

Whichever, why?
Would you say killing the 25 cows to save 1 human life is in the wrong, why? is it due to being x25 the number of lives?


anon


Forget Bob Lambert's talk - This Thread is Disrupted

14.02.2012 11:45

Sort out the bun-fight about the veganizm

Stop Press


re: Serious question

14.02.2012 12:15

It's an interesting ethical dilemma. As humans we would naturally be biased towards our own species, but I'm sure a cow for example would want to save the lives of fellow cows over humans if it were possible, and I don't think they would be wrong to do that.

Suppose it was your own dog vs David Cameron? I would save my dog every time!

But ultimately it is kind of a side issue, since if you are talking about eating meat, it's not like people will die if you don't eat meat. You prevent animal suffering, and you probably have a more healthy diet as well, and the damage to the environment due to methane, slurry, antibiotics, etc. is gone, so it's a win-win situation.

These hypothetical ethical dilemmas are fun to think about, but they rarely occur in practice.

vegan


Forget bob lambert and undercover cops

15.02.2012 00:28

Lets all go up a side street and argue about wether we should be vegan...

Lamb bobbert


re: Forget bob lambert and undercover cops

15.02.2012 15:10

I generally agree with you. In my defence though, I was just responding to Anarchist who was responding to the article which says "go vegan". Maybe I am just feeding trolls, I don't know, but I like to challenge statement like those.

But this article is about animal rights activists, so it isn't entirely off topic.

Anyway, let's hope Bob "rapist" Lambert spends a long time behind bars for his crimes. I won't hold my breath though.

vegan


Undercover and Overcover

30.06.2012 15:50

It seems to me that this obsession with 'engaging' with right-wing Islamists is simply a continuation of UK foreign policy vis a vis Saudi Arabia, Qatar and a range of paramilitary Islamist organisations funded, armed and trained by the CIA/MI6/Pakistan's ISI et al as periodic and sometimes strategic, instruments.

'Terrorist Studies', yes, it's a growing empire within the empire!

I'd recommend this book: 'Secret Affairs', by Mark Curtis:  http://markcurtis.info/

To control all aspects of the discourse is an aim. Think of the leftist magazines/organisatiosn run by the CIA during the Cold War, eg. Encounter magazine and the Congress for Cultural Freedom. This ought not to surprise anyone.

Muslim people in the UK do not need friend like this, thank you very much.

Suhayl Saadi
mail e-mail: saadisuhayl@yahoo.co.uk
- Homepage: www.suhaylsaadi.com


latest infos?

08.09.2013 11:42

Does anyone have more recent info from St. Andrews?

Or, any more about Lambert's work on the McLibel case, where he apparently co-wrote the famed McLibel leaflet?

Seems he has lots more questions to answer.

j


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