Keep the English Defence League out of Luton 22nd July 2010.

"The EDL claim to be patriotic but they are destroying the economy when rioting like crusties and causing all the shops to shut."

Destroying the economy? Good lord - better write a stiff letter to the Telegraph. Rioting like crusties? WTF?

Whoever wrote this article talks a lot of shit.

from article: "They have claimed that God / Allah is a peadophile,"

Actually I think the claim is that Mohammed was a paedophile, since the custom at the time he was around was for men to have extremely young wives by our current day standards. But then the same was true here as well, since people didn't live as long.

 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Muhammad_a_pedophile

"The general consensus among the Hadith's is that the Prophet Muhammad's child wife Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 or to a lesser belief, 7. Pursuant of that, the prophet consummated his marriage with his child bride at the age of 9 through the act of sexual intercourse."

but...

"Not all sources agree with Bukhari about Ayesha's age, Bukhari's Hadith were not collated until 300-odd years after Muhammad's death. Other sources give Ayesha's age as being 16 at marriage and 19 at consummation. "

and...

"...the custom of taking child brides was a part of Middle-Eastern culture. The Jews practised it as well as many of the other nations in the Middle-East..."

this is either 1) EDL spamming for publcity 2) anon / Camden Antifascist or 3) Troll Destroyer who seem to think manic and inaccurate rants about the EDL will create a movement that will destory the EDL. It won't. Their dis-inof/mis-info makes our job harder. Why the Indy mods allow this shit god only knows

"They ran out in front of cars causing accidents," lol!! read - 'Boss, that anarchist we were interviewing just fell out of the station window, attacked my knee with his chin, fell down the stairs etc etc etc'

" they smashed up a Hindu Temple," not EDL but local racists .. last thing EDL woul do .. EDL love Hindus as Hindus are against ( sterotypically ) Islamism ..

"Wherever the EDL go all the shops have to close. The EDL claim to be patriotic but they are destroying the economy when rioting like crusties and causing all the shops to shut."
lol is this from the Tory Party??

they didn't protest against dead returning soldiers, they protested against the parading of the MURDEROUS british scum army through the streets. how is it disgusting to protest against this. where the fuck are the left protesting these murderer. who cares if they are alive or dead when returning, we should not be suporting the scum at all. they are the ones who carry out the genocidal foreign policy of this country

Careful Now

Down with this sort of thing

The amateur, reactionary drivel that this article is made of is quite plain to see - whichever side of the fence you chose. There are no sources quoted, no facts stated - just mindless, boring, hysterical rhetoric - that reminds me of someone who's spoke to a UAF member for the first time and so begins repeating his interpretation.

I've no opinion on Mohammed, organised religion of any kind provides me with nothing but sadness, that so many can fall for the lines spun by the few wanting power and control.

Luton is diverse, yes, but it is now a horrible place to live. Not because of religion, or race. But because everyone detests the company of everyone else, everyone is rude to one another, everyone is out to make a quick buck, everyone sells cheap trash and nothing of quality, everyone eats shit food, everyone owns a chicken shop, everyone is intimidated.

Put all that together and you get the ruckus that is both the EDL and extremists.

Erm, I never claimed Mohammed was a man of peace. I'm not a Muslim; in fact I'm an atheist. I was just correcting the main article's statement that the EDL claim God/Allah was a paedophile, and providing some background information on why the claim is sometimes made that Mohammed was a paedophile, and the arguments for and against it.

"EDL love Hindus as Hindus are against (sterotypically) Islamism"? Really? You might all have noticed the vast majority of people killed by Islamist terrorism are in fact OTHER MUSLIMS, so most MUSLIMS are against Islamism folks. As for whether the EDL "love Hindus" frankly the videos of EDL supporters talking about "F**king Pakis", calling police "F**king Paki Lovers" and saying they "don't like the bloody Asians" etc don't suggest in practice the EDL distinguish between different Asian cultures, beliefs and ideologies...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl31J5Hq9Zs

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lmFqYNOo4

EDL also pretend they "love" Sikhs, but after EDL supporters physically attacked a Sikh councillor who was supporting British troops in Luton the EDL leadership called on their members to SUPPORT the people who'd carried out this (racist) attack...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da7iRZJKvK4

In a nutshell the EDL are either a/ closet Nazis and BNP trolls (like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, Chris Renton and Mike Heaton etc), b/ well-meaning but gullible, politically naive and often fuckin' THICK, c/ not well-meaning but still gullible, thick, violent knuckle-dragging hooligan scum like Jeff Marsh and Joel Titus etc (and all 3 of these groups are as dangerous as each other, albeit for different reasons).

Mohammed may have been a paedophile but he died 1,500 years ago, whereas thousands of child-abusers in Christian churches and alive, well, and still escaping justice today.

Funny how you don't see the EDL protest about that outside Christian churches

The level of 'debate' here has got to be the worst I have ever seen.

Neptune a simple Google search you pedant:

Genesis

Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

Matthew

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21


In fact Neptune since Gilgamesh founding narratives have always contained massive amounts of violence. I would love you to describe to me exactly how Christians are so loving and caring. Manifest Destiny, centuries of Imperialism; all of this stems from the individual that Christianity created all by itself. I don't have any Max Weber to hand, but all of this shit comes from the same seedy fucking lair.

Sikhs are also descended from warriors - they are allowed to carry daggers ffs! - why the fuck aren't you going after them. You are dehumanising a section of the population, you don't want to make anything better. Your sole objective is to make everything much worse.

Your opportunists, simple as. You don't fool anyone with your cod philosophy - no one that isn't already fooled in the first place that is....