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Anti-Jewish anti-semitism is wrong!

NZ Herald | 29.04.2003 00:56

It seems that for every reasonable, valid debate issue regarding Israel and its "we don't negotiate" neighbors, anti-semites rise from the woodwork to sprew ridiculous anti-Israel nonsense that no reasonable person could accept, ruining what might be a valid discussion.

New Zealand Herald

Is it anti-Semitic to criticise Israel?

No one will deny the historical existence of anti-Jewish hatred and persecution, but few want to believe that it is still prevalent in the modern, post-Holocaust world.

However, the establishment of the state of Israel, a Jewish state, has seen the development of newly disguised anti-Semitism (meaning, in this case, being anti the Jewish people) which takes the form of political criticism of Israel.

In itself, political criticism is a free right reserved by citizens of democracies, and it is irresponsible to label it otherwise. To condemn the political actions of the Israeli state is not, of itself, to be anti-Semitic. Israel's policies, as regards settlements and targeted killings, are legitimate targets for criticism and should be subject to scrutiny as the actions of other countries are.

But if it is complained (as it is) that some Jews are unable to distinguish between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, it would seem that this is a widespread phenomenon that non-Jews suffer as well.

After all, why should anti-Israel protest necessitate the defilement of Jewish graveyards, the burning of synagogues, fresh Nazi-themed graffiti at Holocaust camps and memorial sites, or verbal and physical assaults on Jews in Paris and Berlin? How do these acts advance political discourse?

Since the Israel-Palestine peace process collapsed in 2000, and the second Palestinian Intifada began, anti-Semitic incidents in Britain, Canada, Australia and Western Europe have been at their highest level since the Holocaust.

Acts of anti-Semitism reached such proportions in Europe last year that Time magazine felt prompted to devote a cover issue to its resurgence, and a British daily, The Sun, published a full-page article headed "The Jewish faith is not an evil religion".

A June 2002 survey by the Anti-Defamation League revealed that more than a quarter of Europeans were "fairly unconcerned" or "not concerned at all" about this outbreak of anti-Jewish violence.

In addition, 62 per cent of Europeans believed such violence was not a demonstration of anti-Semitism, but rather "anti-Israel sentiment".

This suggests a refusal to accept that European anti-Semitism is enjoying a revival, only 60 years after the Holocaust. Yet European officials have warned their Jewish populations to avoid public displays of Jewishness, instead of promising to protect their Jewish communities.

At the same time, anti-Semitism is alive and well in Israel's Arab neighbour-states, where it is easier to turn a blind eye because almost all Jews were expelled when Israel was established in 1948.

Common themes in the Middle Eastern media, schools and mosques are the infamous "blood libel" (accusing Jews of using the blood of non-Jewish children to make Passover matzahs), the belief in a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, and the vicious fraud that 4000 Jews were absent from the World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001, because they had been warned to stay at home by the Israeli Mossad.

Tishreen, the government-owned Syrian daily, once claimed that "Zionism created the Holocaust myth to blackmail and terrorize the world's intellectuals and politicians", while Mein Kampf remains a best-seller in the Middle East.

It seems ironic that there is so much concern these days to avoid anti-Muslim or Arab prejudice, including in New Zealand, and yet anti-Semitism receives scant attention.

In the March 2003 report of the UN Human Rights Commission on contemporary forms of racism, 57 paragraphs are devoted to anti-Muslim and Arab prejudice. Anti-Semitism received one paragraph.

In such times, it is important to ask whether the distinction between being anti-Israel and being anti-Semitic has been blurred, and to consider that on occasions, in fact, they are the same thing.

Anti-Semitism can express itself in more subtle forms than the jack-booted persecution or Russian pogroms of the past, and the vandalism and arson of "Jewish property", as well as physical assaults on Jewish people, of recent years.

Is it possible to be prejudiced without even knowing that you are?

Perhaps the most rampant form of the new anti-Semitism is Holocaust inversion; where Israelis are demonised as Nazis and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is compared with Adolf Hitler.

Israel is accused of genocide, despite the fact that it is the Palestinians who dance in the streets when Israelis and Americans are killed by terrorists.

Swastika-covered Israeli flags were on display in recent Aotea Square and Queen Street anti-war parades. Booklets and posters, endorsed by Members of Parliament, are available throughout our universities, parading pictures of terrorists and asking that New Zealanders participate in the "final demise of apartheid Israel".

It is also fashionable, once again, to blame all the world's social ills on the Jews and Israel; including the war on Iraq (Michael Lerner, a left-leaning Jewish activist, was recently prevented from participating in an anti-war demonstration in California because he is Jewish) and worldwide Muslim agitation. According to this view, Israel is to blame for Muslim killings of Hindus in Kashmir, Christians in Southern Sudan and Catholics in the Phillipines.

Today, we witness a distinct tendency towards acceptance of this new anti-Semitism in "polite society", under the guise of political comment. To identify it is to be accused of suppression, as Robert Fisk writes in his article, "How to shut up your critics with the anti-Semitic word".

According to Fisk, the Israeli Government is running "a vicious campaign of slander ... against any journalist or activist who dares to criticise Israeli policies". Israel, he claims, uses the term anti-Semitism "with ever-increasing promiscuity against anyone ... in an attempt to shut them up".

Meanwhile, political and intellectual circles are contributing towards a climate of anti-Jewish antipathy in which it quickly becomes legitimate to hate Jews.

This begs the question: how does one distinguish between anti-Semitism and political comment?

The distinction: Ask yourself, is it fair political comment to single out Israel for a divestment campaign, to call it a pariah state and have it permanently denied a seat on the UN Security Council, but ignore the occupation by Syria (which currently chairs the Security Council) of Lebanon, Tibet by China, Northern Cyprus by Turkey, and Chechnya by Russia?

How many signs have you seen calling for freedom for these occupied lands, or indeed for independent Kurdish or Armenian states, in the recent anti-war marches?

Even drawing parallels with these occupations fails to recognise that Israel acquired the Gaza Strip from Egypt, and the West Bank from Jordan - not through aggressive expansionism, but when it was attacked by those and other Arab states in 1967.

(That is why, contrary to popular belief, there is no UN Security Council resolution requiring Israel to unilaterally withdraw from these lands.)

Nor do such parallels recognise that this territory has been repeatedly offered as an independent state for the Palestinians (as early as the UN Partition Plan of 1947) but that such offers have always been rejected by the Arab states and the Palestinian Authority.

Now ask yourself this: How can the lie that Israel massacred civilians in the Jenin refugee camp (of which Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International found no evidence), and Israel's handling of the second Intifada generally, have brought Israel more vilification than the perpetrators of the massacre of 8000 Palestinians in Jordan on one day in 1970; over a million Tutsis in 100 days in Rwanda in 1994; and 7000 Muslims by Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica in a couple of hours in 1995?

Why is it that Israel is accused of apartheid when Israeli Arabs (both men and women) have more rights than those living anywhere else in the Middle East?

Apartheid connotes separate development without universal suffrage. Yet Israeli Arabs have members in the Knesset (Israeli Parliament), and have equal rights to healthcare, land acquisition, business opportunity and freedom of expression as do other Israelis. The ingredients of apartheid simply do not exist within Israel.

And how should one understand that the Palestinians are so desperate that they resort to suicide bombing, when hundreds of other groups around the world who believe they are being colonised (including the Maori) do not resort to the same means?

Do these facts necessarily make Israel right? No. But it is a double-standard to ignore or condone in one state what Israel is vilified for.

And where a double-standard differentiates between racial or religious groups, it is called prejudice.

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3451582&thesection=news&thesubsection=dialogue

NZ Herald

Comments

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why so many words?

29.04.2003 02:21

You ask:
"Is it anti-Semitic to criticise Israel? "

You don't need all the obfuscation that follows. The answer, as in fact you admit, is a simple OF COURSE NOT.

Critics of Israel are of two types.

1. A small number of racist anti-semites who hate all jews, even those who oppose Zionism.

2. A very large and growing number of fair and rational persons who are apalled at the actions of the Israeli government, and feel empathy and respect for jews who agree. This includes (in my opinion) just about every educated and moral person who actually informs himself fully about what is going on in Palestine.

"anti-Semitic" implies "criticise Israel"
"criticise Israel" does NOT imply "anti-Semitic"

Because every lion has four legs, does it mean every four legged animal is a lion ?


Come on, guys, this is kindergarten stuff.....

It would be funny if it wasn't cynically used on the gullible worldwide every day, to silence the knowledgeable.

horace


discriminating against the movement....

29.04.2003 03:24

this comment has been taken off, for debate on this see the features list on  http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-uk-features

linked text on ../local/webcast/uploads/discriminau7xxoi.txt

nessuno. one of IMC


what is a Jew/Zionist?

29.04.2003 05:58

This raises important issues regarding just what is 'anti-semitism'. Who defines it? Only Jews?

And where is an organised movement outside Israel that opposes Sharon's policies among Jews themselves? Isn't silence complicity? Wasn't that the lesson of the holocaust? If so, where are the Jewish marches, demos and protests?

In general terms it seems that Jews regard themselves to be firstly a race and secondly a religion. We can discuss what is Zionism and what is pure anti-semitism, but even progressive Jews do not reject Zionists as non-Jews, and vice-versa, but only as Jews with an impractical, perhaps even dangerous, way of publicly avowing their Jewishness.

Theirfore, perhaps it is true that to all Jews, criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, although I couldn't say for sure since I'm not Jewish

Davo


When is a Jew a Jew?

29.04.2003 09:15

The "jewishness" element in deciding when a person is a or is not a Jew is not clear at all even among Jewish people. Askenazis or so-called "white"/European jews are regarded by a fair proportion of Jews as converts largely because that was what they were - Khazar race who converted to Judaism. Conversion, when in some Jewish quarters is not the same as being born Jewish does not really make a Khazar a Jew, racially or religiously.

The acceptance of a person as being born Jewish only through a mother being Jewish applies only to certain types of Jews and not all and is a comparatively recent practice (perhaps a couple century old) and is a mainly European Jewish practice.

Not all Jews accept the "authority" of the Talmud although not too rabbis would wave it around to exert their influence, again, on mainly European Jews.

There are racists among the Jews as elsewhere. Not only are non-Jews regarded as inferior and given the derogatory "title" of "goyim" or "goy", racism exists among the Jews themselves too - the best and shocking example would be the attitude to and treatment of "coloured" Jews by "white" Jews. Ethiopian, Yemeni Jews, supposedly the "most Jewish" of Jews are very badly treated in Israel. At the most basic level discrimination applies to even allowing a dead "black" Jewish soldier from being buried in a gravesite for "white" jews (even when the "schwartze", a term by some Jews for "blacks" was a war hero), and the very famous one of the less-white Jews barred from use of some toilets!!!

There are those with Nazi mentality among Jews just as there is elsewhere. Fascist attitude and behaviour exists and is alive today among Jewish nazis and this is no different to that of the German nazis. The cheap ploy to push the line that only others can be nazis and that (some" Jews are the victims of the holocaust does not mean that victims of the holocaust (one of many) cannot themselves be devoid of such racist and geonocidal mentality and behaviour. The German army had many soldiers of Jewish origin and one of the worst Gestapo officers was an ex-army major from Britain, and Jewish. He was known to have tortured and killed infants in front of their parents - something we see today among the practices of the IDF.

One need only to reflect on the words of a great Jewish philosopher (among others) Professor Yehoyashua Liebowitch that ",,,yesterday's victims become today's victimizers".and that is if not accepting that the victims of the Nazis were themselves making victims of others even then...

The over-used line that being anti-(any aspects of)Israel equals being "anti-semitic" is an embarrassing piece of nonsense for Jews and cheapens the whole meaning of, in fact, anything!!! It shows insecurity among those who use it as a convenient cover for perpetuation of gross cruelty to the Palestinians.

Palestinians are semites and genetically closest to middle-eastern Jews though researches proving this fact are conveniently hidden by Jewish nazis as are the numerous daily abuse of our semitic cousins, regardless of whether they were suspects, little children, pregnant women, the elderly or the disabled.

Those who claim "Jewishness" and "persecution" and "victimhood" had better take a good look at themselves first - check honestly (by their own criteria) if they are actually Jewish by birth and perhaps even "race". Then check their understanding of their faith (an acceptable proof by some) that they can be Jewish by the practice of what Jews have been taught about the treatment of "strangers".

Take a good look otherwise - those settlers transplanted far from their places of birth are in fact very often identity thieves. And as such these tend to be noisiest and most brutal at covering up their lack of substance when it comes to proving they are Jewish at all!!!

House of Judah


Wow

29.04.2003 11:55

Wow, this is the closest I've ever been to a neo-nazi skinhead meeting.

To Eichmann and Hitler (above), thanks for updating all of us on what "the Jews" like to do. Did you guys goose-step around your rooms after you typed that garbage?

What a gutter this is :(

It's amazing that a perfectly reasonable article is posted about separating valid criticism of some Israeli policies with crazed ranting and anti-semitism, and crazed ranting lunatics who spew crap only anti-semites would spew come right out and dirty this thread up.

Wow


nessuno is the lowest

29.04.2003 12:03

Why are people like nessuno tolerated here?

nessuno said this: i am glad that perle has gone:)

He's glad that daniel perle, a journalist who was captured and killed by arab nazis because he was jewish, was beheaded??????

What the hell, hey uk.indymedia editors, is that the sort of filth you consider a valid political opinion?

nessuno's response above is PACKED with anti-semitism. The guy is obviously some sort of jew-obsessed freak. He's the perfect example of the kind of loon the article above is trying to warn people about. Although, in his case, it's obvious. THe hard part is when it's closer to crossing the line.

Why is ranting about "the jews" as a group, as if the entire world of jews is just 1 person, allowed on this website? Are racism and anti-semitism ok here?

This thread started good, and got dragged down into the gutter almost immediately.

And, ignoring the jew-ranting, the above "political" opinions are idiotic. Palesitnians have no other alternative? What kind of nonsense is that? Israel has been offering them land for peace for a long time, palestinians have always rejected the offers and responded with terrorism. Three years ago palesitnians could have had the west bank, gaza strip, jewish settlements removed and the sharing of east jerusalem, and arafat rejected it and urged the start of another idiotic, self-destructive intifada.

Israel is run by normal people, and they are battling the most crazed, lunatic extremists on the planet.

Reality


Oh, and about ariel sharon

29.04.2003 12:10

And comparing ariel sharon to nazis because of the 1982 event is so ridiculously idiotic... First of all, ariel sharon and the army went into lebanon to chase after terrorist groups that refused to stop attacking israel, and a CHRISTIAN LEBANESE MILITIA that had been fighting with MUSLIM PALESTINIANS took advantage of israel's attack and went nutty and killed off a few hundred innocent palestinians.

ariel sharon didn't actually do it, and neither did jewish israelis. A Christian lebanese militia did the actual killing. sharon didn't order it. He was irresponsible in protecting them, however, so the israeli government found him "INDIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE," for not foreseeing that it might happen.

How the hell could you possibly say that christian lebanese killing people because ariel sharon busted into the country, indirectly resulting in that happening, with the nazis intentionally rounding up millions of people with intent of exterminating an entire religion of people from a continent?

Are you completely insane? Or ignorant? Or both?

(This is to nessuno, and anyone who like me was stupid enough to read his nonsense.)

REALITY


Reality

29.04.2003 21:42

You really need to learn to spell, man!

Perle (Richard) is a leading Zionist fifth columnist in the US regime.

Pearl (Daniel) was the CIA asset journalist killed by someone in Pakistan. We don't know who yet - it may have been Islamists, or it may have been the ISI.

Apart from that, it is possible to be anti-Zionist without being anti-Jewish, but it becomes increasingly difficult when confronted with ignorant posts like yours.

May your Matzohs go stale and turn green at the edges.

Bri.

Brian


wow Wow...

29.04.2003 23:54

...You make it sound like being a National Socialist is a really bad thing. Odd to realise that if Hitler had won the war there wouldn't be any Palestinian blood.

natsocnet


Anti-Zionism is blessed by G*d

30.04.2003 00:34

It is perfectly possible to be Jewish and not Zionazis. Like it is perfectly possible to be Christian and not Nazis.

For some enlightenment about this (from Jews) go
to:

www.nimn.org/

www.jewsnotzionists.org/

www.netureikarta.org/

Being Jewish has nothing to do with Zionism. And certainly nothing to do with genocidal murders of the semitic Palestinians.

Wowee


More Jews agree zionism is fascism

30.04.2003 00:42

Here are some more Jewish) sites agreeing Zionism is nazism:

www.nkusa.org

www.jewsagainstzionism.com

www.netureikartauk.org


Neturei Karta Jews have been known to wave Palestinian flags in rallies.

And why not?

They show that they are not anti-semitic perhaps - Palestinians, who are semites are the blood relatives of mid-eastern Jews.

And the anti-zionazis Jews show that they are not happy to goosestep with the zionazis, clones of yesterday's Hitler and perpetuators of the Palestinian Holocaust.

Adolf Sharon


Something is very right here...

30.04.2003 00:54

Something is very right here...
Something is very right here...

Rabbi Moshe Hirsch of Neturei Karta - Jerusalem, in one of his recent meetings with PLO chairman Arafat in Ramallah, publicizing the fact that Orthodox Jews oppose "Israeli" occupation and conflict with the Palestinians and on the contrary would prefer to live under Palestinian rather than Zionist rule, Rabbi Hirsch has been appointed Minister of Jewish affairs by Chairman Arafat in a future Palestinian state.

from website:  http://www.netureikartauk.org/

anti-anti-semitic


Here is the picture for harmony

30.04.2003 01:01

Here is the picture for harmony
Here is the picture for harmony


Rabbi Moshe Hirsch of Neturei Karta - Jerusalem, in one of his recent meetings with PLO chairman Arafat in Ramallah, publicizing the fact that Orthodox Jews oppose "Israeli" occupation and conflict with the Palestinians and on the contrary would prefer to live under Palestinian rather than Zionist rule, Rabbi Hirsch has been appointed Minister of Jewish affairs by Chairman Arafat in a future Palestinian state.

from website of:  http://www.netureikartauk.org/

anti-anti-semitic


WTF

30.04.2003 07:39

Uh, are you guys fucking idiots? Comparing zionism, which is nothing more than the support of the existence of a jewish nation-state, with the nazis, whose goal was to exterminate an entire religion of people and take over a continent, is the most moronic thing I've ever heard.

Zionists, BY DEFINITION, are people who support the EXISTENCE of israel. Nothing more. If the israeli government does something wrong, "zionists" did not do something wrong. Just the govt. If hte american govt does something wrong, are you "against americans?" Then why in hell woudl you be against people who support the EXISTENCE of israel because you don't like the way israel handles their lunatic nutcase extremist neighbors?

Zionism is a positive concept. It means a homeland, a safe place for jews. A tiny little sliver of land where the government won't ever kill jews. In case you didn't notice, arab countries responded to israel's existence by killing and/or kicking out all their jews. Europe wiped their jews out. So jews flocked to israel. Arab countries then responded to israel's existence by attacking their OWN jewish citizens, even though 99% of them had nothing to do with the founding of israel.

Stop demonizing israel, stop lying about "zionists" and get a fucking grip on reality.

Prof


Cheap ole Zionazi recycled garbage

30.04.2003 10:50

>>>>

Hmmmm........ For a moment I thought that was a Palestinian talking.

"... a safe place for jews >>> Should this mean an utterly dangerous place and hell on earth for others?

" a tiny sliver of land..." Hmmmmm....... it is getting bigger and bigger by the day!!!
(In fact sionazi literature would tell you how big that "tiny" should be!!!

"... where the government won't ever kill jews >>>>>

But does that mean it would kill Palestinians though???

Go to all those websites above where you can get proper perspective about zionazism from true Jews, sunshine, and you won't end up doing repeats of that zionist garbage about "homeland", etc

Dan


you are

30.04.2003 17:18

anti-semitic yes or not....
FUCK OFF
and nuke israel...

wankers


uhhh

30.04.2003 20:52

Ok, this thread should close. The only people left responding are a select few anti-israel losers ranting about the evils of the jews for wanting a tiny state of their own on this earth, and spewing total gabarge that isn't in balance at all with reality.

ok


The Last Word...

01.05.2003 03:44

Israel is a rogue state. It should be taken out and the Palestinians given their land back. Israel has NO RIGHT to exist.

natsocnet


Uhh

01.05.2003 22:42

You're an idiot.

So all the jews who actually legally bought the land they live on there, where should they go? To hell? Screw you.

Over 50% of jews in israel came from arab countries, not europe. Those arab countries stole the jews' land and kicked them out. Are you also going to demand that iraq give the money and property back to the 150,000 jews who used to live there?

How about america? Is america a rogue state? Shoudln't america be forced to give the land back to the native americans (indians) who lived there?

Should all the continents be connected again, like they were a million years ago?

The fact, is, there was a "population exchange." Jews moved into israel over 50 years, settled and built up communities, eventually got their own state out of it, arabs tried to commit holocaust 2 and failed, so a bunch of arabs who left weren't allowed to come back. The arabs who stayed in israel are full israeli citizens to this day. Whereas, out of anger over israel existing, arab countries almost all kicked the crap out of their own jews, who over time immigrated into israel. Those jews weren't allowed to remain citizens of those countries, like muslims in israel were. Are you aware that almost 20% of israeli citizens today are muslim? There are muslims in the israeli government. Yet, it isn't even LEGAL to be a jewish citizen of saudia arabia! Why doens't that offend you?

Israel isn't leaving. And if palestinians want their own state, all they have to do is stop their terrorist bullshit and accept an israeli land-for-peace offer. palestinians already rejected a few offers and chose to attack, and all that resulted was israel clamping down on them and making their lives worse. that's what you get when a stronger state offers you a truce, and you try to kick them in the nuts instead.

uhh


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