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Darfur Refugees Intimidated?

pish | 03.08.2004 19:57

Propaganda about the Sudanese doesn't appear to be consistent...

Darfur abuses continue, UN says
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3531926.stm

The UN has reported that the Sudanese government is still trying to force refugees to return to their homes. That's right, the evil Arab-dominated Sudanese tyranny has ethnically cleansed black Africans and settled Arabs in Darfur as part of its evil genocidal goals. And is... uhh... now... uh... evil... uh... forcing the poor refugees to return to their homes, where they presumably will be bullied by Arab settlers!

Anyone notice any inconsistency in the allegations being thrown at the Sudanese?

pish

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mmmm

03.08.2004 20:22

Yes that's right you swallow what the Sudan government is telling you. After all these are Muslims so they can't be doing anything wrong can they, well not on Indymedia anyway.

M


an addition

03.08.2004 20:32

Intervene in Sudan, Tories urge Blair
 http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1275072,00.html

The Conservatives are now calling for intervention "in a matter of days" if the situation doesn't improve to their liking - ignoring the 30-day deadline the UN voted on, and the 90-day deadline that Sudan has already agreed to with Kofi Annan prior to that US-sponsored resolution.

" Mr Bercow said he had met Sudanese ministers on a visit to the country last month. "They were in denial about the fact of the atrocities, the scale of the atrocities and the collaboration of the Janjaweed in the commission of the atrocities, so I have no serious hope that they are likely to respect the wishes of the UN security council." "

And yes, before you ask, Mr Bercow IS an expert on Sudan. He has lived there practically his whole life and has run the country for about 15 years now. Oh wait, no, that's the Sudanese government, not Mr Bercow. Oh well, nevertheless Mr Bercow does know far more about Darfur than Sudanese officials, given what he's read in the media. (This arrogance reminds me a lot of the Kosovo negotiations, where US negotiators told Milosevic not to give any summary of the events, any mention of the historical context - "no bullshit". Perhaps if they had listened to some "bullshit", rather than be so arrogant, they would have realised that the propaganda was untrue.)

Oh and now we also learn as little about the African people being sent to Darfur:

"Britain and the EU are providing financial and logistical support to the African Union, which is supplying 60 monitors for Darfur, backed up by a protection force of 300."

Anyone familiar with what "neutral" observers did in Kosovo will view this with alarm. In Kosovo the observers were in fact heavily infiltrated by the CIA, and their purpose was to find targets, and set up a good working liasance with the terrorist KLA. When the Yugoslav authorities arrested a couple for this, there was international outcry which served to further demonise them. While the Yugoslav army was withdrawn, and an alleged ceasefire was in operation while observers observed, the KLA simply took over 40% of Kosovo now with no government fighting back. When the government then later launched an offensive to recover lost areas, they were accused of "ethnic cleansing".

More info from the Guardian:

Khartoum to double Darfur force
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,14658,1275175,00.html

Sudan is going to double its forces in Darfur. I thought that the Sudanese government was an evil Arab-dominated tyranny that was committed to ethnically cleansing black Africans? So surely more troops is a bad thing?

UN representative Jan Pronk " told the BBC that there had been some positive progress following a UN mission to the area last week. He said: "There are still many militia around. That is leading to a great deal of insecurity. Also the rebel activities are adding to the insecurity." "

An admission that rebel activities are causing insecurity, quite suprising that the media actually mentions this. I certainly would agree that destroying 80% of police stations, massacring police and government forces and refusing to enter into peace negotiations with the government could add to insecurity.

" "But security in the camps has improved." Mr Pronk also said Khartoum had halted a policy of returning displaced people to their villages by force. "

The BBC claimed the opposite, that "In another camp, the UN aid workers said there was an increased presence of pro-government militia". Unless this is the increased security, and these militias (different ones from the looters, rapists etc) are in fact providing security? And Mr Pronk says that Sudan has halted a policy of trying to allgedly forcibly return people to their villages. Kind of confusing, its good that they're not forcibly returning people? But surely not returning people would be an indication of genocidal policy of expelling black Africans??

pish


reply to "M"

03.08.2004 20:38

"M" in case you haven't realised the rebels are also Muslims. In fact, they are connected with and supported by the Muslim opposition leader Turabi, who is accused by both the US and the Sudanese government of being an Islamic fundamentalist (he founded Muslim Brotherhood section in Sudan). In fact, they are both wrong, and he in reality has merged Islamism with women's rights and liberation, democracy, and so on, although now he has thrown in his lot with "opposition" which has been working with rebel terrorist groups to overthrow the Sudanese government, rather than working constructively with the Sudanese government like other opposition parties, such as the Umma party, are doing.

Oh and I myself have pointed out leftist and IndyMedia hypocrisy on Muslim and Arab issues, and am in fact a supporter of Israel's right to exist and opponent of anti-semitism, unlike most people on here, and the PLO. But I am also an opponent of stupid lies that serve to promote wars. Oh and the KLA terrorists in Kosovo? Muslims, connected to Osama bin Laden. Bosnian Islamists? Muslim fundamentalists, connected to bin Laden, Iran, Saudis, etc. Do I support them and their backers in Washington? Do I support Hezbollah and their backers in Iran? Nope. Unfortunately you can't stereotype me as a stupid leftist and dismiss me, so don't bother.

pish


talking pish

04.08.2004 07:20

Pish is wrong. Muslim Arabs in Darfur are targetting non-Muslims in particular and the Sudanese President has referred to the ethnic cleansing as 'a jihad'.

Yes, the Muslims are killing other Muslims. But only when they've run out of infidels to rape.

^^^


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04.08.2004 08:59

When exactly did the Sudanese President, Bashir, call this a jihad? This sounds to me like pure propaganda, like the claims that jihad was ever promulgated official policy in the conflict with the rebels in the South.

And one of the rebel groups in Darfur is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood leader Turabi, and it works closely with the other major rebel group. If anyone's fighting a "jihad" here, it surely must be them.

Oh and if the Sudanese goverment was declaring a jihad to expel non-Muslims from Darfur, I think its odd that they haven't expelled the Christian minority from the North, where the government has complete control, and is it not odd, if this is a jihadist fundamentalist government that hates infidels, that since 1991 the South, which has an animist majority, has been exempt from sharia law?

See  http://www.espac.org/religion_sudan/christianity_in_sudan.html for information on the situation of Christians in Sudan.

pish


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