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Site update: Promoted Newswire

imc-uk-process | 09.01.2006 22:12 | Indymedia

The front page of www.indymedia.org.uk now features a promoted newswire in addition to the open newswire. You can choose between the two. The addition of a promoted newswire is an attempt to keep the balance between our commitment to open publishing and to our aims as stated in the UK Indymedia Mission Statement. We hope that this change will keep everyone happy:

  • Promoted wire for those who want to read UK Indymedia as "the journal of the movement"
  • All regions for those who want a collection of local news
  • open newswire for those who want a running commentary by everyone who cares to post (as long as the posts are within the Editorial Guidelines)
Read on if you want to know more.

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When UK Indymedia was first set up on Mayday 2000, only few people knew about the website, and judging from the early postings on the newswire, most of them posted right along the lines of the IMC UK Mission Statement: "The focus of the Indymedia UK collective is on grassroots politics, actions and campaigns." What has been practiced by numerous fotocopied zines and newssheets now moved to the internet by using Indymedia as an open publishing platform on the internet. By publishing reports directly from their actions, activists further eroded the "dividing line between reporters and reported, between active producers and passive audience".

In the beginning, Indymedia users were mostly connected to the global protests against global governance (G8, WTO, IMF etc), to environmental protests and to the (dis)organisational principles of the PGA: No leaders, no formal structures, striving to abolish any hierarchies. This attitude is reflected in the editorial guidelines: "Indymedia UK reserves the right to hide postings that contravene these guidelines". Hidden postings disappear from the open newswire, but can be viewed via the link to the view all posts page contained in the Editorial Guidelines. The process of hiding is transparent, and often needs to be negotiated within the Indymedia mailing lists.

As the project grew, social movements in a much wider sense started to use Indymedia. Traditional NGOs and left-wing political parties started to be interested. Conspiracy theories about September 11 and various other events started to appear on the newswires. Right wing groups started to spam the newswire. People started to send re-posts from corporate media, and to advertise their blogs on Indymedia, or repost their entries. Disinformation about actions and events started to appear. Not to mention racist, sexist or other discriminatory newswire articles and comments.

We are aware that there is a tension between our commitments to open posting and to the non-hierarchical, grassroots type of activism. As Indymedia United Kollektives, we feel that we are not responsible to provide a platform for everything. Everybody can set up their own blog, website, mailing list or wiki on the internet. Nobody has to rely on the Indymedia open publishing newswire and the comments function to publish their opinions. At the same time, Indymedia volunteers and collectives in the UK are a varied bunch of people with different political and social backgrounds. Some of us encourage more "art" on the newswire, others are hiding poems. Some of us hide every corporate repost, others argue for keeping some of them. One person's "disruptive" is another person's inspiration. As a result, the threshold of what is seen as unacceptable is quite high. Decisions to hide an article are often challenged.

Dealing with this tension has always been a crucial debate within the United Kollectives that maintain www.indymedia.org.uk.

In some IMCs in the US, people adhere to a radical free speech point of view, where the commitment to free speech is more important than any political content. In the UK, we discussed the notion of "radical speech", and decided that we clearly state our bias to radical, non-hierarchical grassroots politics: "While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity."

Our Editorial Guidelines are fluid, subject to constant re-interpretation by the dozens of volunteers who maintain the website. These volunteers don't always agree with each other. Viewers of Indymedia can watch an article being hidden, unhidden and re-hidden, and follow the discussions on the imc-uk-features and local collectives mailing lists. Definitions of non-news, hierarchical, advertisements etc are constantly being negotiated.

The Editorial Guidelines have room for many opinions.

We also noticed an increase in comments that were not additions or grounded discussion of the newswire articles, but disruptive to the point of trolling. As a response, we implemented changes to the way comments are displayed that gives users the choice to see all comments, or just the headings.

On a wider scale, we all agree that the newswire is the backbone of Indymedia. But then there are different interpretations: some of us want to see the open newswire as a running commentary on the website, fast and chaotic, like a messy free radio station. Others want a newswire that features straightforward Indymedia news from the streets: A slower medium that gives each posting more time on top of the newswire, and that allows people to see what is happening on planet activism at one glance, rather than having to sift through miles and miles of other postings.

Being a diverse network of people with different political and social backgrounds, we will not resolve this tension. In fact, we think that it is part of the dynamics and the success of Indymedia.

This is why we have come up with an optional promoted newswire. We have discussed this option since August 2005, exchanged arguments, revised specifications and code, until we were ready to implement it. We have started to promote older articles to this new promoted newswire. What exactly gets promoted will depend firstly on those volunteers who participate in the process. It will depend on local collectives, and it will depend on your input in the comments to this article, or in communication with your local collectives. In this process, patterns of promotion will emerge, and they will be discussed on the mailing lists.

At the same time, the open newswire will remain what it is now. Possibly, less postings will be hidden. Those who want an indymedia-type filter can use the promoted newswire.

This is something that other Indymedia sites have done for a while, for example IMC Germany: "promotes articles which are not dates (like: demonstration Tuesday 6pm... please come!), leaflets, crosspostings, press releases, articles with just 2 sentences, articles which are just personal opinions".

The introduction of a promoted newswire is an experiment, one more effort to keep Indymedia as a powerful tool for radical social change.

imc-uk-process
- Homepage: http://lists.indymedia.org/imc-uk-process

Comments

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Good move - and a few comments

10.01.2006 08:49

Having used indymedia to both read and write news (and yes sometimes just views) for several years now I'm interested to see this latest change. I think it's a good idea, though I guess this promoted newswire will be more work for volunteers.

I like that the open newswire stays as the default on the home page, and think it should remain so, that's clearly important.

What I really don't like is the way the default home page open newswire has the ugly white boxes around to denote that postings are also on the promoted newswire. There are two reasons for this:

1) While the creation of the promoted wire sets a new level of heirarchy (though I thank indymedia for the goood explanation for the reasons etc) and I like the concept, having the two wires so distinquished on the open wire almost renders the seperate promoted wire obselete. It feels wrong to me to have the white boxes - sure have the two wires - but not this.

2) After all the good re-design work and site layout improvements that have been made over the last year or so, well, it just looks plain ugly, clunky and just a little crap.

Please dump the white boxes!! It's not needed and looks bad.

Good luck with it.





Mike P


White boxes?

10.01.2006 18:15

I don't mind the white boxes, they don't look that bad. It took me a while to understand what is going on though. Why not just say the open newswire has everything while the promoted newswire only has promoted items?

Doug.


Good move I hope

10.01.2006 19:01

It's nice to see that at least some proposals can get through the IMC decision making process and result in much needed changes to the indymedia site. I think the basic idea of the promoted newswire is a good one and may go some way to address some of the issues that blight the site. I personally believe there is much more that needs to be done but perhaps this step will bring back some of the people that have written off indymedia over the last year or so.

e


white boxes

10.01.2006 19:40

When so many postings in the main newswire are in the white boxes it in fact visualy gives more prominance to the other non-promoted posts - partly cos the non-promoted ones are easier to read and stand out, being in normal text, while the white box ones are also made a bigger bold font. At least get rid of the bold difference if you want to keep the white boxes.

pixel


Big improvement!

11.01.2006 07:17

Now I don't have to wade through acres of international crap or stuff from loonies. Well done!

Me.


look before you leap

12.01.2006 02:24

"Conspiracy theories about September 11 and various other events started to appear on the newswires."

Actually the idea that Usama bin Laden was behind 9/11 is the biggest conspiracy theory of all. It is the conspiracy theory promoted by the US regime and it is the only conspiracy theory for which there is no credible evidence. Finding out who was really behind 9/11 - and why - is key to understanding the struggles of masses against imperial rule around the world, in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. And that directly impacts the UK, with Poodle Blair in charge.

Please don't continue sliding down the slippery slope of deciding the acceptability of articles with which you merely disagree.

men in black


Space for all

12.01.2006 12:22

Well 'men in black' if you like reading repeated posts that have been reposted around the world, rarely giving anything new but loads of speculation about speculation there is still the full open posting newswire. No doubt should that rare beasty, an article providing something new on any of the conspiracy favourites, show up and be pointed out, it will be in the promoted newswire.

Also in black


Why are comments in this thread being hidden?

12.01.2006 17:30

I'm reposting this because one of the IMC admin have let power go to their heads and hidden it previously. Anyone like to explain why?

"too little too late? (139289) by: grey

Seems like indy will need to do quite a bit of outreach and self-promotion to communicate these changes to all those who have already jumped ship. Seems like I'm forever meeting disillusioned ex'IMCers who have moved on, burnt-out or started other projects. Much of the direct action old-school have long felt indy was failing and this led to the creation of an indy like news wire for reports of direct action.

These changes do seem to represent an improvement and more importantly a will to improve. I think however that the collectives will need to put fresh efforts into promoting indy and encouraging people to come back. "

The hiding of this comment can not be justified under the guidelines!

Ironically, the newswire I mentioned above was set up by people who were concerned that indy wasn't hiding enough articles and that the volume of crap on the newswire destroyed it's credibility and value. I think the promoted news wire will help a lot to reduce the crap but WTF is this heavy handed censorship of the comments all about? You only want uncritical comments about indy? Don't let people think that fascism is taking root in the indy power structure - there is no excuse for hiding the above comment.

grey


Action reports newswire

12.01.2006 17:45

I assume the poster above is referring (among others) to the action reports newswire found at  http://earthfirst.org.uk/actionreports

It has indeed been setup as a result of increased frustration with indymedia over a period of time and was being heavily promoted at the last anarchist bookfare as an alternative place for people to post reports of their action in the spirit of indymedia. however, the ef! newswire obviously will not provide the exposure of article posted on indymedia and I suspect that such a small initiative can not offer the protection of a global network such as indymedia.

I too appreciate the new promoted newswire.

(anyone else noted the 'author' fields being used as an unofficial subtittle?)


An response to grey

12.01.2006 21:18

As mentioned in the article above this site gets a number of disinformation post that the volunteers have to find and hide. Typically these are about protests that don't exists, spilits within protests groups that don't exists and such like. Some are about Indymedia itself, for example take a look at this, not untypical, one — it's content is a total fabrication no such meetings have taken place, the link and email address were posted incomplete to make it look like we had removed bits of them... etc etc...

I'm sorry to say that it was assumed that your post, with it's un referenced (no hyperlink) mention of "the creation of an indy like news wire for reports of direct action" was assumed to fall into the same category as the above post...

We are all faliable, sometimes mistakes are made.... I hadn't seen the Earth First! Action Reports site before and didn't realise that things like this were being set up...

If people set the promoted newswire as their default then you will get a UK Indymedia site with good quality posts... If you want to get involved to make this site better then get in touch with you local collective or check out some of the lists and get stuck in...

IMC'er


thanks for the explaination

13.01.2006 02:04

Thanks 'IMCer' for the explanation, I see from your example how my comment might have been been considered similar to such disinfo posts (and indeed it is vulnerability to such posts that has helped to discredit indy an drive people to seek alternatives). I had deliberately not put in a link to the ef site in my comment as I didn't want my comment to be seen as a cheap plug for a 'competing' site and since pointing out a specific site was not relevant. Anyway, I think that the promoted newswire will allow indy to be utilised once again as a 'journal of the movement' but indy should not stand still.

grey


Need more promoting

13.01.2006 15:47

I see that international reposts like the LISTEN GLOBALLY report are making it to the promoted wire while UK original stories provided as information for act (like visits by scum to regions that might react) are left in the open newswire. It seems that it is not possible at this stage to simply read solely the promoted wire as it would mean missing a great deal of useful info. If so, then not only are two wires more work for admin but also more work for the readers. For example, the protest.net event thing is crap so many people rely on the newswire to find out what is coming up and to announce actions etc. If these arn't promoted then anyone who wants to see them must look in the open wire.

How about a new newswire for annoucements/events?

otherwise we end up having to read both wires


Events wire suggestion

13.01.2006 19:31

The medium term plan for events is to add functionality to the software running this site so that there is a sensible way of adding and viewing future events, though this isn't going to happen overnight... this will be something like a events wire.

In the meantime there is the events box which is manually generated — if there are events that admins have overlooked and are not listed here please drop a line to the imc-uk-features list or pop into #uk on the irc server (web interface) and ask for a link to be added. The same goes for newswire posts that you think should be promoted but might have been overlooked...

IMC'er


a prominent link to the open newswire

14.01.2006 10:46

Hi, can there be a prominent link to open newswire at the top of the indymedia UK homepage? At the moment I have to refind this article to get to the open newswire, and soon this post wil drop off the bottom of the page. I cpould of course add the open newswire to my bookmarks, but newcomers to the site won't easily be able to find the open newswire, or even know it exists...

Bert


There is a prominent link to both newswires:

14.01.2006 14:30

... at the top of the newswire. It doesn't matter which newswire you set as default - a link to the other one is always displayed at the top of the newswire on the right hand column of indymedia.org.uk.

.


Please keep the white boxes

14.01.2006 15:47

I've found since the changes that first I tried staying on the promoted wire only and made that my default. Now however I realise that loads of good stuff is not being promoted and that the promotion process takes a long time so I have reverted to the open wire. The promoted wire is a nice idea but I don't see it working to well so far.

How about making everything 'promoted' by default and then knocking stuff down to the 'open' (all posts within guidelines) wire or to the 'hidden' (all post apart from those deleted because they are illegal/dodgy)?

This way people who opt for the promoted wire as default would get the chance to see breaking news without needing to check two newswires and yet only the 'journal of the movement' type items would remain on that wire long term and thus prevent the wire moving to fast.

Whatever happens, please keep the white boxes or some other way to show the promoted stories as at present I think most people are probably being forced to stay with the open newswire in order to see breaking news, coming events and quality analysis that seems not to be getting promoted.

the promoted news wire doesn't contain enough of the good stuff


Splitters!

14.01.2006 16:19

That action reports newswire on the EarthFirst website looks pretty good but what's the point in duplicating efforts? If they thought there was a problem with indymedia (our media!) then they should have worked from within the IMC collectives to get the problem sorted. One simple way would have been the addition of better categories to define the posts made to the newswire. They are currently pretty badly conceived. Adding a category for action reports for example might have achieved the same goal that led to people splitting off from indymedia and setting up new duplicate services.

This movement is crippled by constant splitting and infighting. We will never achieve gains while this is our culture.

peoples front


wheres the link?

14.01.2006 16:24


Hi when I click on Idymedia in my bookmarks bar I get the below screen- I can't see the link to the open or promoted newswires- am I missing something?

Herby Spiral


Please make this thread sticky!

14.01.2006 16:26

IMC admin, could you make this article stay at the top for a while as it's important.
Those people visiting the site only once a week or so have found it confussing what changes have happened and why. If this article stays at the top like some previous indymedia breaking news then it would be better.

john


Reply to Not enough stuff, not fast enough...

14.01.2006 17:02

The promoted newswire isn't really intended for people who check the site twice a day. If you are visiting so often, and reading so much on Indymedia, that you can't wait the few hours for an article to be promoted then it's the openwire really thats for you.

> quality analysis that seems not to be getting promoted

Examples please. There is nothing stopping analysis getting promoted - well except for the usual reasons, like it's actually reposted material, or whatever.

In fact if you check the site so often you see news before it gets promoted, and you should be taking part in the process, join  http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-uk-features

IMC'er


Herby - forget the link, wheres your newswire?

14.01.2006 21:44

Looks like you've got a bigger problem herby. You don't have a news wire on the right hand side so of course you don't have the link.

Upgrade your browser or try a different one.

Admin bods, making this feature a breaking news box at the top is a good idea.

Bro


Herby - Where's the link - Reply

14.01.2006 22:24

Sadly this happens every once in a while. The software that generates the front page hasn't generated the newswire at the time the copy of the page you are looking at was made.

If you find this happens, hit refresh...
If that doesn't fix it... bad... try another view of the site publish.indymedia.org.uk or www1.indymedia.org.uk are good places too look.

ekes


latest version of Firefox

15.01.2006 00:04

Hi Bro- I'm using the most recent version of Firefox- but this in itself raises a question- if the 'state of the art' version of indymedia with highly visible links to open and promoted newswires is only avaialable to folks with 'state of the art' browsers, what about folks who are still running what are quaintly called 'legacy' systems?? alot of folks are running old gear with old software (a good thing surely??) I still run a backup/only thing I can access when kids are using 'main' PC in my bedroom with Windoze 95, and I only recently passed on a PC that is still running win 3.1, and wouldn't be capable of running much else (eg, modern browsers) but is still fully functioning for word processing, basic internet access, etc. At the moment i only get the indymedia front page with a box with a search facility for the newswire, no clue as to whether there is an open or promoted version I could be looking at (see my pasted graphic above). and don't tell me to switch to linux for a better indymedia experience, I'm convinced of the argument and on the slow road to feeling comfortable with ubuntu, but the fact is most folks are still windoze users and should be able to have a hassle free way of accessing (and knowing about) the indymedia newswire

cheers Graham

Herby Spiral


Herby - State of the Art - Reply

15.01.2006 01:06

Like stated just above, the previous suggestion about changing your browser was wrong, it's nothing to do with the age of your browser, it's just a little glitch in timing and the way the site is generated... hit refresh.

ekes


Sad ad's

15.01.2006 02:30

Keeping the comments a click away from the article is good housekeeping. Nut putting the 'promoted' 'endoresed' whatever comments in little boxes reads like the very desperate people who advertise their love in little boxes in regional newspapers. It's like saying, 'I'm not just desparate for attention, I'm super desperate'. Give it up you sad people, it impresses nobody.

Danny


Devicive

15.01.2006 12:01

The changes appear quite devicive and create a new level of hierarchy which is surely against everything indymedia is meant to stand for.

de


about the

15.01.2006 14:34

Yes, as people said above, one of the motivations for setting up the new EF! website was that many people had stopped reading IMC as there was so much comment, info etc on it, that they just couldn't log on every day or two and sift through it all for what was interesting to them.

Another reason was that the Earth First! Action Update, which has been publishing reports of (ecological) direct action since 1991 has in recent years come out only sporadically, rather than every month.

So the EF! AR website is not a replacement for a paper version, because that reaches people and places the internet don't shine. Also there's been a problem for a few years, since people stopped travelling around so much, that people who take direct action don't know what each other are doing, never mind other people being able to get involved. The new EF! website is trying to partially solve that issue. And of course highlight the importance of *ecological* (however you define that) direct action.

And nor is it a replacement for IMC, because (pretty much unmoderated) open publishing, and a place where people can share information and opinion can be useful.

It's nice to see as the EF! AR website has been being developed, that the IMC admins have also responded to similar problems; however that does not mean that they are competing with each other, but instead should be and are complementary.

Earth First! Action Reports website
- Homepage: http://earthfirst.org.uk/actionreports


"missing" newswires in the right hand column

15.01.2006 20:07

I have to agree with Herby.

Hitting refresh or reload simply does not seem to work to display the right hand column properly,
with the latest version of Firefox. Ironically, it works fine with Microsoft's MSIE web browser.

Presumably this will also adversly affect search engine spiders, which will therefore reduce the Indymedia audience even further.

Following the static links from this (soon to disappear posting) works fine, even in Frefox.

Surely a static link near to the search box would make sense until this "glitch" is sorted out ?




M


Please put it back to how it was!

15.01.2006 21:42

The promoted wire is a miserable ghetto for the ramblings of the friends of the elite who make the decisions. Those choices seem inconsistent and non-sensical. In the meantime, those of us who have decided to stick with the open newswire are confronted by those stupid white boxes trying to force the the preferred choices of the hierarchy upon us. Please go back to how it was!

argh


Compromise?

18.01.2006 07:46

Maybe a suitable compromise would be to keep the two columns but get rid of the white boxes.

Doug.


Editors are an embaressment!

24.01.2006 20:22

The decision about which articles are promoted is very wrong.

It shows what total fuckwits the editors are. Totally unaware of whats newsworthy and of importance to the movement. Most importantly it highlights the London bias, with spam from rampart, etc.

~~~Nicola~~~


Fuckwit

29.01.2006 19:47

Interesting, I looked through the promoted wire and didn't find any posts from rampART. Events announcements in the open newswire are generally not getting promoted so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Fuckwit


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