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The Gaza Sea Weeps Blood

11.06.2006 14:12 | Anti-militarism | Palestine | Repression | World

On Friday, 9th of June, the Isreali Navy shelled families holidaying on Gaza beach. Ten people were obliterated in the bombing and children were left screaming over the mutilated bodies of their loved ones. Please follow the Full Article link for more details. [listen to audio interview with surviving member of the family]

The situation in Palestine is becoming more desperate in every area of life, from the continual land theft and increase in illegal settlements across the West Bank to the daily incursions, assassinations and arrests.

Reports:
Check out the links below to read and listen to reports form across the region. For constant updates, please visit the International Middle East Media Centre website.

Palestine Today [ Mon, 5 June | Tues, 6 June | Wed, 7 June] | This Week in Palestine [2nd June] | Analysis from Palestine | Report from the West Bank | AL Numan report | New Fateh-led force in West Bank | Interview about the non-violent movement in Palestine | Israeli Army repression of non-violent protests in occupied Bilien

Crying over her father's body
Crying over her father's body


She was running over a small sand hill, screaming and crying "Father, Father", but her father did not reply as his blood and the water of the sea were mixed, and all that Hadeel could see was blackness and sadness that covered the eye of the sun on such a bright warm day.

This was not a scene enacted from a drama series or a movie; this was the real, the bitter and harsh reality of a massacre, conducted by the Israeli occupation army against a family while on vacation at the beach in Al-Soudaniyya, in the north-western area of the Gaza Strip.

The massacre, which claimed the lives of seven family members and three other residents with at least thirty injured, took place on Friday, 11 June, 2006, after the Israeli Naval forces fired shells at hundreds of residents on the beach. Blood stained prams, tables and ripped umbrellas were left as evidence of the horror.

"I saw my father dying in my arms and the bodies of my brother and sisters dispersed everywhere," Hadeel said. "They took me to hospital. Thank God, I am lightly injured, but I've lost everything. My family was around me but no one was alive."

"Everybody was running away, everybody looking in all directions searching for family members. Screams and bodies were everywhere," she added. "I tried to talk to him and say what Muslims say in moments of death (There is no God but Allah, Mohammad is his prophet), but he was dead."

The family members killed were the father, Mohammad Ali Fad'os, his wife, Ghalia, his three daughters and son. The family comes from Al-Atatra area, near Beit Lahia in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. Wiham, 20, and his two sisters, Latifa, 11, and Hadeel, 8, were lucky to survive.

It was supposed to be a holiday, a good time amidst the continuous Israeli attacks and strikes on Gaza. The children, Haitham, Sabreen, Elham and Ra'esa were playing on the sands and hugging the soft waves of the tides before Israel's shells of hatred destroyed their happiness and their lives.

Among the killed members of the family were infant twins not even one year old, one of them was sleeping, while the other was swinging on a baby swing.

Their laughs that had filled the beach were silenced by the sounds of the shells and explosions that ripped their small bodies to pieces.

The only sounds that remained there were cries of pain, the wail ambulance sirens... Where are the children? Where is the father, the mother?... where is everybody?!

Nothing remained, everything ended by the shells of hatred. The remaining sound was the voice from one child, keening over the body of her father, screaming "Daddy, daddy, what did they do," and she threw herself on the sand beside her father's body after finding no space on his ripped-apart lap.

Paramedics collected the remains of the family's bodies, and carried the upper torso of the mother before searching for the remainder of her body buried, in pieces, under the sand. Then they searched for the bodies of the infants.

Gaza cried, Palestine cried and the waves of the sea cried for the people who came to vacation on the beach, before the army transformed their happiness into sadness and grief.

How many innocent lives will be wasted, ripped and torn apart before the world is able to see clearly; before the world starts to realize the nature of the occupation, the nature of a powerful army that uses Palestinian land and Palestinian bodies as its training zone and battle field.

The battle field this time was a beach; a beach filled with families trying to enjoy the good weather and sunshine; innocent civilians trying to escape the daily Israeli attacks on Gazan cities. They came to the seaside in search a good time, but the shells and military aggression pursued them there and stole their happiness, their lives and families away.

Israeli senior military officials explain their crime with an "apology" and an empty statement that the "incident" will be investigated. Will that be enough for the families, the children, the innocent lives that were oblterated by these Israels powerful shells?

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investigastion

12.06.2006 18:31

it seems are not keen on this investigation, thats weird, I mean it makes one wonder

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investigation

12.06.2006 18:50

i mean the PA

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this also being reported:-

12.06.2006 18:51

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hamas suspected of planting a daisy-chain bomb trap on Gaza beach to trap Israeli naval commandos

June 11, 2006, 10:43 PM (GMT+02:00)

Israeli leaders have ordered army commanders to put their counter-missile offensive on hold pending the findings of the military probe into the deaths of seven Palestinians, including children, on Gaza’s beach Friday, June 9. Cooperation between US, Israel, Palestinian Authority and Egyptian intelligence has yielded an initial impression that the blast that caused seven Paletinian deaths on a Gaza beach Friday, june 9, was caused by one of a series of bombs Hamas planted last week on the northern Gazan beach. They were put there as daisy chain traps in case Israeli commandos landed by sea to take Qassam missile launchers in northern Gaza by surprise. The theory gaining ground is that the Palestinian picnickers had the bad luck to detonate one of those bombs.
The day after the mishap, Saturday, dozens of people were sighted combing the scene of the blast and removing the bombs, according to information passed to Israel by Palestinian intelligence, which is engaged in a blood feud with Hamas
To explain this Palestinian helpfulness, DEBKAfile’s sources reveal how the close Abu Mazen associate Muhammed Dahlan was humiliated when he made the gesture of presenting his condolences for the killing of the new Hamas militia commander Jemal Semadhana last week at the official mourners’ tent. Instead of his courtesies being accepted, he was pitched out of the tent by Hamas and Semdhana’s Popular Resistance Committees’ musclemen. He was thus treated to the ultimate insult for a Muslim. Islamic canons enjoin even enemies to be treated with respect in a mourning period. Dahlan was so enraged that he ordered PA intelligence to assist Israeli in its probe to find out if a Hamas bomb rather than an Israeli artillery shell was the true culprit behind the death of the Palestinian family. As yet it is not yet clear how much information Dahlan will allow the Palestinian service to release on the episode.

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Video From First Responders at Gaza beach

12.06.2006 21:04

Warning: this is a graphic video showing serious injury and death.

Video From First Responders at Gaza beach massacre
 http://www.sendspace.com/file/45hwb2

also read: Palestinian girl won't forgive killers of her family  http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_18671.shtml

free palestine
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Video From First Responders at Gaza beach

12.06.2006 21:11

Warning: this is a graphic video showing serious injury and death.

Video From First Responders at Gaza beach massacre
 http://www.sendspace.com/file/45hwb2

also read: Palestinian girl won't forgive killers of her family  http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_18671.shtml

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Gaza Sea Weeps Blood

13.06.2006 10:06

There is no such date as Friday 11 June 2006. Please correct. Thanks.

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jenka's Journal

13.06.2006 10:38

6 june 2006
palestine

the scenes we are watching on palestine tv right now are
horrific......a pile of bodies on the sandy beach in gaza, emergency crews stumbling,
tripping over the sand, running out of stretchers, running toward
ambulances holding the bodies of children, a small girl screaming "daddy,
daddy daddy" and falling over the body of her dead father, weeping
uncontrollably as the palestinian emergency crews rush past her to bring the
injured to the hospital.

it is as horrific as any palestinian suicide bomb in israel -- 11
killed, 40 injured -- babies missing limbs, body parts falling off of
stretchers....but will this bombing, a missile shot from an israeli naval
vessel at a crowded beach full of vacationing palestinians, be put on the
front page of the washington post? or reported on CNN? will this
child who lost her father be interviewed by sympathetic news teams who will
broadcast her story to the world? or will this broadcast on palestine
tv be the only news coverage that this event will get?

today's attack reminds me of a similar one in 2002 - when a crowded
apartment building in gaza was hit by an israeli missile, and two dozen
family members, asleep in their beds, were blown to pieces....and is it a
strange coincidence that the most brutal israeli attacks happen just
when delicate coalitions and agreements for peaceful solutions are being
made? in the 2002 attack, the missile strike came just hours after all
the palestinian factions had made an agreement (after months of fragile
talks) to stop suicide attacks against israel. the israeli attack
later that night, followed the next morning by an announcement from the US
that they were increasing aid money to israel, so infuriated the
palestinian factions that they called off the agreement.

and now, this blatant massacre of civilians in gaza - coming just as
palestinians were on the brink of a major breakthrough regarding a
document of national unity that would implicitly recognize israel -- now that
chance has been shot down again by israeli violence. hamas had been
going the diplomatic route, adhering since last february to a ceasefire
(despite the israeli side violating the ceasefire hundreds of times
since the agreement), engaging in democratic elections and peaceful methods
of diplomacy. but now, faced with just the latest in a series of
atrocities, the armed wing of hamas says they will no longer adhere to the
cease-fire, and will resume attacks against israel.

americans are not getting the real picture of what is happening here.
in the US, this conflict is portrayed as an embattled jewish nation,
traumatized by the holocaust and struggling to survive, up against a sea
of arabs who hate them only because they are jewish, and irrational
attackers who blow themselves up in the name of allah.

but what do americans know of the palestinian people? do they know how
the palestinians were pushed from their homes in 1948 to become
landless refugees in crowded camps and in diaspora around the world, just so
the state of israel could be created on their land? do they know that
jewish refugees and survivors of the holocaust were turned away from the
US and britain after world war II, because of anti-semitism in those
states, and many ended up coming to the new 'jewish state' unwillingly,
or unwittingly, lured by promises from leaders in the political movement
known as zionism? or how the palestinians were massacred, their land
stolen, their homes taken over by zionists? do americans know the
history of the state of israel, pre-emptively attacking its neighbors time
and again, and pushing the palestinians into smaller and smaller areas
of land -- much like the 'reservation' system created for native
americans in the USA? how the israeli government developed a nuclear program
in secret, exposed only by the actions of one brave israeli scientist
(mordechai vanunu) in the name of peace -- who was subsequently
imprisoned for 27 years and still remains under house arrest - israel now has
over 30 nuclear weapons, and no one in the international community has
said a word. what about how the israeli military has occupied the
palestinian people's land, all of it, for the last 40 years, dividing the
people into checkpoint-divided enclaves, shooting at children and
dropping missiles into crowded neighborhoods on a daily basis, all the while
seizing more and more land for their state?

and today....a child has lost her entire family. in a single moment,
her whole life has been turned into a nightmare. others have lost
children, brothers, wives, mothers....throughout palestine, people are
watching and crying. three days mourning has been declared throughout
palestine, including a general strike. while the world's media may be
trying to stoke fires of division among these beleagured people, i wish you
could see the steadfastness of shop-owners, schools and businesses that
will remain closed for three days - not because someone is forcing them
not to open, but in mourning for the palestinians who were just killed.

and meanwhile, the israeli military trivializes the attack -- likening
it to a 'work accident' and downplaying the credibility of witness
accounts. these soldiers who shot the missile will never face justice.
israeli soldiers never do. they can kill at will. even when the families
of those killed go to great expense to bring the case to trial, in a
justice system where they are 'non-persons', there is never any justice
served. even in the most publicized case - the case of iman al-hams, a
13-year old girl shot down in cold blood in gaza last year, with
transcripts of the sniper who killed her and the sergeant saying 'it's a
small girl...shoot her....anything that moves in this area, even if its a
three year old, should be shot' - even in that case, where the evidence
was overwhelming that a child was being shot in cold blood, the
sergeant was promoted, not punished. when israelis build settlements on
palestinian land, believe me the palestinians who live there try every means
to stop them -- they take it to court...but no palestinian challenge to
an israeli settlement has ever won in the israeli high court....or they
hold protests, marching and holding signs and banners, which the people
in bil'in village and other villages have done every week for the last
16 months, despite being attacked at every protest by israeli soldiers
who are brutal in putting down the peaceful demonstrations.

most palestinians are incredibly patient. as my pal seth porcello, a
canadian volunteering here in palestine, wrote last week:
"According to many of the people I have talked to here, Bil'in has
become a kind of symbol for non-violent resistance in Palestine.
Their persistence and endurance in continually confronting the wall
that separates them from their land remains unshaken even while under
the most intense repression. However, while Bil'in remains a symbol
of the non-violent resistance in Palestine, it is continually in
danger of becoming a symbol for something else: the failure and
hopelessness of non-violent resistance under the longest and possibly
most brutal occupation in the world. Wagi (wa-gee), a longtime
Bil'in resident who I met at the Outpost spoke to me about this
problem. Wagi has a disabled son, who was shot with a "dum dum" bullet
by an Israeli soldier while at a protest against the wall. The
bullet shattered his spine. Another of his sons was shot in the
shoulder while sitting down during a raid of Wagi's house, and a
third is in prison for three months after attending a non-violent
protest against the wall in Bil'in. While he continues to be
committed to non-violent resistance, he spoke to me about his worry
that the youth, including his sons, would abandon non-violent
resistance as the consequences are often just as dire as those of
picking up a gun. This seems to also be true for internationals,
considering last weeks demonstration nearly claimed the life of Phil
Reese from Australia. As Wagi put it - if people are not allowed to
demonstrate peacefully, then what other option do they have but to
become violent (paraphrasing)? It is a difficult question to answer,
and one that remains a matter of personal choice two generations, and
two intifadas, into this occupation. Wagi was arrested one week
after our conversation at the friday demonstration against the wall
and is now in prison. The shelter we took at the outpost to have our
conversation is now burned to the ground. And the next demonstration
is on friday. For more information on the history of the Outpost,
you can find an audio report here:
 http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/9843.php"

when palestinians know that no one is hearing their mourning cries, no
one is feeling their pain, no one is standing up to the power of israel
to kill them at will and take their land piece by piece and imprison
them into ghettoes -- how can anyone wonder why some young person would
get desperate and go try to kill some israelis? of course it's not
justified, there is never a justification for killing civilians, but,
living without hope, occupied for generations, your children, brothers,
sisters killed without any recourse, without any justice, with only silence
from the world at large -- can't you understand why someone would?

and the israelis know it, too -- that's why they often arrest the
family members of those who are shot in cold blood by their army, or at the
very least put them on 'security lists'. my fiance saed, shot during a
peaceful demonstration in 1991 and paralyzed, is one such example --
his family has been penalized for his having been shot by the israeli
army. what have they done wrong? absolutely nothing. but israeli
authorities feel that those whose family members were shot in cold blood may
be likely to commit 'thought crimes' against the israeli government -
thinking bad thoughts about the israeli soldiers that shot their loved
one, for instance. and these 'thought crimes' (see george orwell's book
_1984_) would be a threat to the israeli goal of complete control and
submission of the palestinian population. saed's mother, a devout
christian, for instance, was denied permission to go to jerusalem to pray in
the church of the holy sepulchre during christmas and easter (an age
old tradition among palestinian christians, dating back to the first days
after christ's death) -- why? 'security reasons'. no other
explanation, no way to know. but it probably has to do with the fact that her
son was shot, in cold blood, and paralyzed, 15 years ago, by their
soldiers -- they worry that she might take revenge. this sweet old lady, who
would never harm a fly, let alone another human being, is being
penalized because her son was a victim of the israeli occupation!!! isn't
there something wrong with this equation?

the booming blast of artillery shells every 15 seconds, relentless,
non-stop shelling for months would drive most normal people insane.
imagine - no place to escape the loud booms - any one of them could hit your
home, kill your family, at any moment. palestinians live in constant
terror. as former US attorney-general ramsey clark said, "the
palestinian people are, along with the iraqi people, the most terrorized people
on earth". and when they fight back against the occupying power -- a
legitimate right under international conventions -- THEY are called the
terrorists.

what is a terrorist anyway? it used to be that anyone who targeted
civilian populations was a terrorist. but it seems that someone who
targets palestinian civilians (ie. the israeli military) is not .....
someone who targets iraqi civilians (the us and british occupying armies) are
not (and if you doubt that they are targeting civilians, check this
british piece about a massacre carried out in cold blood by US marines --
for which the marines have been let off, with the US government saying
they did nothing wrong:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1784705,00.html ).
or how about afghani civilians? do those who kill afghanis (the US
military) count as terrorists? no, it seems the definition of terrorism
has changed. it is only those who kill OUR civilians, who threaten OUR
'strategic national interest' (ie. our hold on natural resources that
may be in someone else's country, but are needed for americans to
maintain the 'american way of life') who are 'terrorists' in the US
government's view.

take for example the trans-caucasus oil pipeline - just finished -- to
get oil from azerbaijan out through turkey and onward to the USA (much
safer - in the US government's eyes - than the original plan, which was
to route this oil out through afghanistan). this article expains how
the US-trained special forces protecting this pipeline as it runs
through former-soviet georgia are most concerned about 'terrorism' -- by
which they do NOT mean attacks on civilians. by 'terrorism', they are
specifically referring to any attempt to destroy or hinder the constant
flow of oil through this pipeline into americans' gas tanks:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,1784834,00.html

oh, while i'm on the topic of afghanistan, i just wanted to point out
that the war in afghanistan is far from over. death tolls are as high
as they've ever been, US and british troops are perceived not as
liberators but as occupiers, who have been there for nearly five years --
resentment of the foreign occupation is high, and reached a breaking point
a week ago when riots broke out in kabul after a US military vehicle
did a hit-and-run on a civilian in the city:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,1785599,00.html
and kabul is supposed to be the 'green zone'! the only place in
afghanistan where US and british troops have any semblance of control - the
rest of afghanistan has returned to the local mafias and the taliban has
steadily come back to power in most areas.

and if you have any doubt that the reason for attacking afghanistan was
oil, check out this statement from US representative ron paul from
texas in 2002:
"The real reason for our presence in the Persian Gulf, as well as our
eagerness to assist in building a new Afghan government under U.N.
authority, should be apparent to us all. Stuart Eizenstat, Under Secretary
of Economics, Business and Agricultural Affairs for the previous
administration, succinctly stated U.S. policy for Afghanistan testifying
before the Senate Foreign Relations Trade Committee October 13, 1997. He
said, 'One of five main foreign policy interests in the Caspian region is
to continue support for U.S. companies and the least progress has been
made in Afghanistan , where gas and oil pipeline proposals designed to
carry Central Asian energy to world markets have been delayed
indefinitely pending establishment of a broad-based, multiethnic government.'
This was a rather blunt acknowledgment of our intentions. It is apparent
that our policy has not changed with this administration. Our new
Special Envoy to Afghanistan , Zalmay Khalilzad, was at one time a lobbyist
for the Taliban and worked for Unocal , the American oil company
seeking rights to build oil and gas pipelines through northern Afghanistan .
During his stint as a lobbyist, he urged approval of the Taliban and
defended them in the U.S. press. He now, of course, sings a different
tune with respect to the Taliban, but I am sure his views on the pipeline
by U.S. companies has not changed."
(source: congressional record 2002 -
 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r107:2:./temp/~r107Zo8Kbi:e7034:)

and of course there is the well-known statement from Unocal oil company
before congress in 1998:
"From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the
pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a
recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments,
lenders, and our company." - Mr. John J. Maresca, vice-president of
international relations, Unocal Corporation Feb 12, 1998
full statement here:  http://www.progressiveaustin.org/afoilpip.htm
(also available in the 1998 congressional record, print version only)

sigh.....

do americans think that afghani mothers suffer less than they do when
they lose their sons or daughters? or iraqi mothers? or palestinian
mothers? all people suffer, all people feel the loss of a loved one with
pain, anger, sorrow and rage -- this is universal.

so why be surprised that after the daily indignities, the imprisonment,
the constant shelling, the taking over of their land and the killing of
their children with no justice in sight, that some palestinians resort
to desperate acts of violence? but to classify the israel-palestinea
tit-for-tat kind of conflict (ie. you kill my children, so i'll kill
yours), although that element does exist. this conflict is the strategic,
planned takeover of one people's land by another people using violence,
occupation, imprisonment and constant humiliation as tools -- tools
used by the israeli authorities, military and civilians to completely
disenfranchise the palestinians of their land.

if israel is truly a 'democracy', as they claim, then why not take down
the wall, give palestinians citizenship in a state (israeli OR
palestinian), and let them have the equal rights that all people are entitled
to under international conventions???

but that will never happen. because by giving palestinians equal
rights, by defining the borders of their nation, by removing their military
from the palestinian areas, they will not be able to fulfill their
stated objective (stated clearly by israeli prime minister ehud olmert in
his address to the US congress several weeks ago, to thunderous applause
from the american legislators) to TAKE OVER ALL of this land.


oh and btw - the gutless corporate lackeys in the us house of
representatives succumbed to corporate pressure and overwhelmingly passed a bill
yesterday to essentially sell off the internet to the highest bidder
(321 for, 101 against), as well as wrecking public access tv. take a
moment to save the internet by letting your senator know to vote against
it (H.R. 5252 - the COPE Act):
 http://savetheinternet.com

the internet is still a new technology - it has allowed more media
democracy than television and radio put together.....just think, you
wouldn't even be able to get these updates from palestine, if it weren't for
the internet! let's not let them take this away, as was done with
radio and television (both of which were quite democratic at their start,
but were allowed to become controlled by commercial, corporate interests
with the help of the US government).

and here's an op-ed my fiance saed wrote about the Israeli attack on
the Gaza beach, called "The Gaza sea cries pure and dear blood":
 http://www.imemc.org/content/view/19247/1/

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Indymedia UK - more anti-semitic every day

13.06.2006 11:49

Hamas did this you Jew hater.

Try checking first next time before posting your weekly Jew hater contribution.

What's the matter did the big Jewish soldiers scare you when you were with the ISM ?

Indymedia UK - more anti-semitic every day


Israel denies launching shells

13.06.2006 13:56

From the BBC UK website

"The beach explosion was blamed by Palestinians on Israeli shelling near the area where a family was enjoying a picnic.

However, Israeli officials say a military inquiry has ruled that Israel was probably not responsible and that the blast could have been caused by a mine planted on the beach by the Hamas government. "

Link below

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5074798.stm

Someones lying here.

Impartial Christian


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Gaza deaths not caused by Israeli shell

13.06.2006 15:05

The shrapnel removed from the survivors was not from a shell. It was actually from homemade mines that were laid by hamas on the beach.

We can file this one along with Mohammad al-Dura, as the murder of innocent Palestinian civilians, by Hamas, which are used to inflame hatred against Israel.

 http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Middle_East/10046653.html
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5074792.stm
 http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/13/mideast.probe/index.html
 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150035838991&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
 http://inbrief.threatswatch.org/2006/06/idf-investigation-land-mine-ki/

Jacob


Mandelson, Goldsmith and Straw actively support every Israeli atrocity

13.06.2006 15:26

-How does a vile terrorist state like Israel come into being?
-How does a vile terrorist state like Israel get funding and weapon supplies?
-How does a vile terrorist state like Israel get all technical assistance required to build chemical, nuclear, and genetic weapons?
-How does a vile terrorist state like Israel ensure that press reports always use propaganda methods to moderate language and facts in Israel's favour?
-How does a vile terrorist state like Israel continuously carry out terrorist acts that would have sickened even Hitler, in the complete knowledge that not only will they get away with such acts, but that those that attempt to comment against them will almost certainly have their words erased?

What do the UK, US, Canada, France, Russia, Germany, Turkey, Canada, and Australia all have in common? Well, Israel requires just one thing, namely that its tribe controls a key block of world governments to ensure that Israel will not only get away with the very worst CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, but will be made more powerful by such crimes. How is this control maintained? Simple- by the most dedicated acts of infiltration, corruption, and blackmail.

Today Israel carried out another standard (for it) act of mass murder. They attacked a vehicle in Gaza, waited for a crowd to appear helping the victims, and then (MINUTES LATER) rocketed the crowd, butchering the people there, including the doctors (THE ACTUAL TARGET). Of course, this NAZI ACT OF MASS MURDER was captured in living colour via the best optical systems US money can provide, but unlike Blair's massive bombs that fell on 'al Zarqawi', the BBC (Israel's biggest media cheerleaders) won't be rushing to show its viewers this piece of 'military' video footage.

So here we have a terrorist state that murders US and UK civilians for fun, has been responsible for numerous acts of MASS MURDER every year of its history, and is armed to the gills with weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. And yet, it is Iran up for destruction, not Israel.

Think on this. Israel was formed when members of its tribe flooded into Palestine from post war Europe and US, in waves of raping, torturing and mass murdering. The leaders of these people rallied their butchers by saying "Never forget, and to prove this treat the people of Palestine in the same way that the nazis treated us". They did this ONLY because they knew that their tribe had complete control of the UK, US, French, and Russian governments at the time, and that powerful members of their tribe in the US would provide all the funds required, and access to military equipment left over from WW2.

This first stage was nothing more than the colonial racist abuse of power that had formed much of Earth's history for many centuries before WW2. The tribe was aware that such concepts were about to become obsolete and unacceptable (how could they not, given America's thoughts on the nature of post-WW2 politics), but that here was a final moment in history where a 'white' western power could exterminate and remove the native people of a land.

There was a greater consequence. The very act of creating 'Israel' dictated how the strategy that the tribe would have to follow for decades to come. Of course, the tribal leaders foresaw all this long ago. Israel was NOT created to be a jewish state. The US was always a vastly better place for powerful jews to persue their ambitions, giving massively disproportionate power to the jewish population living there. No, Israel was created so that the requirement to defend the obscenity of that state and its actions would bond together the members of the tribe, no matter where on the planet, in blood and violence.

The continuous existence of Israel DEMANDS the control of key Earth governments, and since WW2, the tribe has extended the list of powerful nations that ALWAYS do its bidding to a point of near completion.

The continuous existence of Israel DEMANDS the control of MASS MEDIA, and the nature of the message that the majority of people in the West receive on a daily basis. Pre-WW2, and the tribe only had partial control (witness the support the nazis received from certain media organisations). Today, every major radio, TV, and newspaper broadcaster in the West is under the control of the tribe. So absolute is the power of Israel and its supporters that their media organisations have to insert an occasional (harmless) anti-Israel looking story in an attempt to prevent even the stupidest of sheep from asking difficult questions.

The continuous existence of Israel DEMANDS a constant proof that Israel uniquely exists above the laws of man. Here we return to the atrocities in Gaza. A little land more of less for Israel is nothing against the land they control in Europe and the US. The native population of Palestine, for all it would offend any concept of justice, require so little in compensation for the years of warcrimes carried out against them, that the cost of one week's occupation in Iraq would deal with that. No solution is found in Palestine, because no solution is sought. Israel was NOT created by the leaders of its tribe to be a solution, but to be a means to an end- a constant engine driving a people into endless religious and racist warfare, drawing them ever closer together, and placing them at ever increasing odds with the rest of the planet.

Israel is intended to save the same purpose as the swastika, a symbol rallying a so-called 'master-race' behind an ever increasing litany of atrocities. The psychology of the nazis, and Israel and its supporters, are IDENTICAL. A 'master-race' can ONLY prove itself by being beyond the laws of 'lesser' 'inferior' humans. The ability to plan and execute atrocities WITHOUT punishment 'proves' that you are a 'master-race' and that those that refuse to punish you nothing more than 'cattle' deserving to be ruled and used.

Atrocity was essential to the nazis, and atrocity is essential to Israel. It is interesting to note that the same UK government that gives ABSOLUTE support to daily Israel atrocities, arrested two british football supporters for supposedly having so-called nazi insignia daubed on their bodies in Germany. When one of Israel's top WAR-CRIMINALS was in the UK at the invitation of a group of Israel terrorist supporting/funding UK citizens, the CPS, police, and government members rushed to warn this war-criminal to stay within his plane and fly back out of the country to avoid arrest.

While Israel was carrying out its latest atrocities, Blair, of course, was in private meetings with Israel's highest terrorist leader.

The most recent act of mass murder in Gaza isn't even on the BBC's main teletext news-index. What a surprise.

twilight


Israel Don't Want Peace

13.06.2006 18:43

The fact that this bombing took place just days after Palestinian President Abbas announced a referendum of the people regarding whether they should finally recognise the state of Israel illustrates that Israel do not want peace.

Israeli Premier Ehud Olmert came to Britain yesterday for talks with Blair and said he would be prepared to negotiate with the Palestinians about Israel's borders if only Hamas will call a ceasefire, ignoring the fact that until until this bombing happened there had been a sixteen month truce in place already, which Hamas cancelled because of the actions of Israel.

Israel do not want peace in the Middle East because it will thwart their expansionist plans.

Peter Jowett


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Response to the previous point

13.06.2006 20:53

Au contraire Peter Jowett. It is Hamas who have cynically exploited the death of Palestinian civilians through their own negligence (cf the explosions which killed 20 in Jamaliya in September - ooh look what big weapons we have - oops). Who's talking about Mahmoud Abbas's referendum now? Let's try and kill some more Jews...

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Backwards Expansion

13.06.2006 20:55

"
Israel do not want peace in the Middle East because it will thwart their expansionist plans."


LOL!!! What a bunch of lousy expansionists the Israelis are. (Leaving Gaza is PROOF of Israeli Expansionism...LMAO)

Arthur Kennedy


Murder on the Beach

13.06.2006 21:33

Yet another murderous attack by the Israeli armed forces against the innocents. They have the gall to deny responsibility and neither do they show any care. They have it in their power to make peace with their arab cousins but do not want to learn the lessons of history and let the killing go on!!

I am against extemism and intolerance and want to express my deep symathies for the remaining children of that peaceful family group.

Paul Groves
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The reason why Israel made a pointless denial

14.06.2006 00:54

There is no puzzle as to why Israel issued a pathetic lie about their responsibility for the beach atrocity. Blair was involved in the HIGHEST level meetings with Israel, culminating in a celebration of jews in the UK, where Blair gave a speech promising the same kind of support to Israel that they get from the US government (note, it is Blair that chooses to link UK jews with Israel, at an event that is only about jews living in the UK since 350 years ago).

Blair REQUIRED the denial so that he could easily justify his activities with Israel at this moment in time. It is an old political convention, more usually seen when US officials are due to speak with Israel in the unfortunate aftermath of similar Israeli atrocities. On these occasions, Israel uses the same tactics, lying about their responsibility no matter how damning the evidence. The US officials, when questioned about how they can be showing support to Israel at such a moment, are then able to refer to the denial as justification.

Later, of course, Israel goes "whoops, it was us after all".

In the meantime, notice once again how many New Reich supporters rush to glorify Israel's acts of mass murder, and cheer their master's support of anything that leads to more dead muslims. Why does Indymedia attract such repulsive evil people, when the vast majority of political sites on the Internet more clearly represent their 'politics'?

The answer is simple, if you ask yourself the question 'What would the nazis have done?'

If the Internet existed at that time, and the nazis had just blown up a beach full of jews, the nazis would be all over this place posting exactly the same kind of comments seen above. Those that work to promote or protect the acts of monsters will always sound the same and use the same tactics. Only the names change, but the evil stays exactly the same.

Anyone can accuse any muslim of any crazy plot in the UK, and Blair has promised his police thugs will ALWAYS go in with guns blazing, questions only to be asked afterwards if at all. Meantime, Blair has promised that those people mass murdering muslims on his behalf in Afghanistan, Iraq or Palestine will be free from prosecution or any penalty while he remains in power.

At the self same moment that that evil bastard Blair was offering OUR friendship (not just his) to the mass murderers of Israel, Israel was in the act of butchering another mass of humans in Gaza, doctors and kids at the scene of an Israeli rocket attack 2 mins earlier. The WAR CRIMINALS in the Israeli helicopter had waited for the doctors to appear before launching missiles to murder them. No denial was required this time since the UK Mass Media simply depreciated coverage of the event.

Those that support Israel are no different from those that supported apartheid South Africa (which was famously provided with nuclear weapon technology by Israel, for the purpose of genociding its 'black' neighbours if needed), the Serbs during the Bosnia War (again, Israel was the main ally of the Serbs during that time) or those that supported the nazis (where yet again, many that wished to see the creation of Israel offered support to Hitler -pre WW2- if he would play ball).

The identification of evil is NOT a matter of name calling. It is simply a process of watching the actions of men, and being honest enough to make a just judgement, regardless of the 'race', 'colour' or 'religion' of those that are clearly seen doing evil.

I will state that the evils attributable to the Israelis pale into insignificance when compared to the evils carried out by the US and especially the UK. In truth, we are the real nazis of the 21st century, regardless of our stated positions. Why? Because Blair derives his power from each and every one of us, from those that praise his every act of racist murder to people like myself that expose his evil at every opportunity. Blair is our monster, and if he is not stopped in time, every one of us in the UK carries the direct moral burden for every wicked act he is able to inflict upon the peoples of the Earth. Blair goes so far beyond the crimes of a pathetic bunch of 'master race' nuts that there can be no comparison.

Blood on the beach? Blair intends that this atrocity is repeated a millionfold across every part of Iran. Doctors butchered in Gaza? Blair intends that every hospital, every medical supply warehouse and every person qualified in medicine will be destroyed across the length and breadth of Iran. The patterns of Blair's atrocities are already well established in Iraq. The targetted cities there (Fallujah before, now al-Ramadi) first have all power, water and sewerage facilities cut. Food and medical supply warehouses are then destroyed by airstikes. The citizens are warned of impending GENOCIDE if they don't surrender the 'resistance'. Then the genocide begins, with Blair ordering first that all hospital facilities are destroyed, and that ambulances and other emergency services and personnel are exterminated as soon as they are spotted. Then Blair's death squads enter, sweeping through all accessible properties, and butchering all those unfortunate enough to have no choice but to remain in their homes. MI6 agents acting as BBC foreign correspondents make daily reports on various news-shows claiming that they are eye-witnesses ONLY to 'atrocities' by Iraq 'terrorists' against those poor innocent US soldiers currently tasked with wiping the city out.

As an aside, this use of MI6 agents by the BBC came to everyone's attention during the genocide of Fallujah, when Blair's forces made wide use of chemical weapons against the population of that city. The BBC daily used so-called eye-witness reports from their 'correspondent' to 'prove' that reports of chemical attacks were propaganda lies. Unfortunately for the BBC, events later forced the US to reveal that chemical weapons had been widely used. The BBC, of course, had no explanation for the daily lies reported by their 'man on the ground', but trusted that the sheep have a very short memory, and a very small brain. All senior and significant BBC and ITN correspondents in Iraq etc work for MI6. This is a widely known fact for anyone that follows the actions of the intelligence agencies- and it is plainly obvious that if this were not true, MI6 etc might as well not exist. Amazingly, most people that consider themselves anti-war still have a child-like requirement to believe that mommy-and-daddy, I mean teacher, er no, that's BBC reporter, can be trusted. Of course formal schooling exists to ensure as many people as possible are brainwashed to give mindless trust to people in authority.

Like Hitler before him, Blair lays out clearly his path of inevitable escalation. Blair's next time will always be much worse than the last time. Iraq was invaded, but Iranian influence and the Kurds meant that most of the country effectively surrendered without a major war. Even today, the horrible violence in Iraq doesn't amount to a hill of beans for Blair. The war against Iran will be on a greater scale than most of you imagine. Every act of Iranian resistance will be directly converted by Blair into an excuse to escalate the violence against that nation.

Blair will gas, fry, poison, burn, mutilate, shoot, bomb, microwave, infect, choke, bury, and irradiate MILLIONS of humans in that nation, using the identical excuse used to justify the sickening raid against the muslim brothers- namely "we have secret intelligence that the Iranians are a threat, so we are allowed to attack them with what ever force we deem appropriate to protect you". Well, it worked well for Hitler over and over again, so why change a winning formula. Every piece of infrastructure in Iran will be targetted under the excuse that everything the Iranians own can be used as a potential weapon, and better a million of them dead than one of our soldiers (getting an idea now of just where Hitler's death-camps evolved from?)

When Israel butchered those humans on the beach, the racist terrorists on the gunship were able to leasurely select their victims just as if they were strolling down the beach themselves. Israel specialises in target aquisition optics, and optically guided attack systems. The faces of the children to be murdered would have filled the monitors throughout the ship right up till the moment the shell landed. Even better, the Israelis would have been able to pan back and forth across the scene of mass murder, so that they could saviour every millisecond of human despair and misery. They may not have been able to hear the terrified screams of the survivors, but the tears and wide open howling mouths would have been captured in living colour on the best visual systems that US taxpayers money can buy. People in the Israeli military LOVE their snuff movies, but never better when whole muslim families are involved.

Of course, the main reason Israel has its forces target children and families is so that a proportion of the Israeli butchers become clearly identified as controllable psychopaths that will willingly carry out any act in the name of the 'master race'. This tactic is hardly unique to Israel, and has been used by Aggressive Armies throughout the centuries. When you have collected together enough psychopaths, they become your elite 'strike' teams, used to create chaos amongst those people that are to be victims of Israeli terror. Such teams are used, for instance, to carry out assassinations and bombings across the world. That's right, the highest ranking members of organisations like mossad were previously responsible for shooting little muslim girls through the head in the occupied territories, for instance. It's how they 'earn their bones'.

The worst human criminals are not in prison, but in the employ of armies and intelligence services around the world. While extreme right-wing authors depict such people as 'James Bond's' or 'Modesty Blaise's', the true nature of state murderers in the service of people like Blair would make Rose West seem like a saint in comparison.

Who is the hero? The man or woman who raises a family, lives decently and peacefully with their neighbours, and instills in the next generation good morals? Or the man or woman who joins the army to LEGALLY rape, torture, and murder peoples of other nations? The cult of the soldier is a cult of pure evil. In all my time at this site, I have ONLY seen the word hero applied to those that murder on behalf of the state (culminating in the despicable spectacle here some time back of people hero worshipping the 100 dead UK soldiers in Iraq).

Blood on the sand. In a way the dead are lucky, for when Blair begins his genocide against Iran, many other peoples will be butchered in the immediate aftermath, including the people of Palestine by Israelis. Israel has always had a 'final solution' planned for the people left after their land was stolen by Israel, and has simply been waiting for the moment when the execution of the plan would not be to Israel's political disadvantage. When Hitler gave the jews of Germany a bad time, the jews of many other European nations ended up getting a vastly worse treatment. Israel will use the signal of an attack against the muslim peoples of Iran as proof that they are now free to treat THEIR muslims in the way that they have always wished to do so- namely total extermination.

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There's more where that came from

14.06.2006 01:24

"When you have collected together enough psychopaths, they become your elite 'strike' teams"

Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad? (Not sure if you could call them elite however)

Arthur Kennedy


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is this the reason?

14.06.2006 08:13

The Hamas government yesterday rejected as "illegal" plans by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, to call a referendum unless the Islamist group agrees in principle by tomorrow to recognise Israel and negotiate a two-state solution.

boby


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Palestinians killing Jews

14.06.2006 09:54

Sweet irony?

 http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=105244
In a classic case of mistaken identity, an Arab from Jerusalem, driving a car with Israeli plates, was shot and killed by Arab terrorists north of Jerusalem last night. The terrorists had intended to fire on a Jewish victim.

The Arab victim, identified as Marwan Shweiki, 36, from Abu Tor, was killed by as he was driving on the Jerusalem

Baba


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Show Your Evidence and Let's See Who Is Lying!!

14.06.2006 10:04

Unofficial Summary of Press Conference Plus Comments
By Dr. Mike Cohen, Senior Analyst, The Galilee Institute
( http://www.gogalil.com)

JERUSALEM: June 13, 2006: Israel has determined conclusively and
without reservation that IDF fire was not the cause of the explosion which
killed members of a local Gaza family and injured others on Friday.

The Israel Defense Forces committee formed to investigate the
allegations that Israel artillery fire was responsible for civilian deaths on
the Gaza beach last Friday reported on its conclusions today. Defense
Minister Amir Peretz, IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz and Major General Meir
Kalifi stood before the press Tuesday evening (June 13, 2006) and
presented the findings.

Showing aerial photographs and filmed documentation Gen. Klifi, head of
the Israeli inquiry, declared: "There is no chance that a shell hit
this area at this time. Absolutely no chance."

The committee found that the blast was probably caused by an explosive
device buried in the sand, but has not yet determined whether it was
planted by local Palestinians as a counter measure to possible Israeli
incursions or whether it was an old IDF dud.

The findings ruling out the possibility of IDF artillery as the cause
of the blast are complex and take into account the elements of time,
material and location. The findings are based on intelligence sources,
filmed documentation from a number of angles, cross-referencing and
triangulation of computerized and visual data and more.

A. The Context:

- Over 100 Kassam rockets have been launched from the northern
Gaza Strip city of Beit Lahiya into Israel by Hamas and Fatah this past
week, several of them hitting a school, a kindergarten and private
houses. In addition to the Kassam attacks, Russian 122 mm caliber Grad
missiles, officially known as BM-21 or Katyusha rockets have recently been
introduced to the sector and now pose a threat to Israel of some 12.7
miles or 20.4 km (see map at  http://www.iris.org.il/katyusha.htm).

- The Hamas and Fatah missiles are being launched from within
populated areas, thus not only abusing the human rights of the local
Gaza residents but also creating a cynical attempt to draw Israeli fire
at innocent civilians in order to gain media "brownie points."

- The Hamas and Fatah missiles are being launched from a region
Israel evacuated and turned over to full Palestinian Authority control less
that one year ago, while tearing Jewish families away from their homes
of 35 years against their own will. Israel made clear that it will not
tolerate terrorist activity targeting its civilian population and gave
the PA police plenty of time, information and arms with which to stop
the perpetrators.

- In response to the continued aerial assaults on the City of Sderot
and other towns in southern Israel, the IDF has begun to employ
airpower, sea-based artillary and ground to ground fire.

- It is important to note that the employment of these three
strategic assets and the introduction of the Katyusha rocket by the Hamas and
Fatah terrorists in Gaza constitutes a new phase in this war, a war
which Israel must engage in and win if it is to stop the continuous launch
of rockets against Israel's civilian population.

B. The Shrapnel:

- Three people wounded in the blast are now hospitalized in Israel.
Shrapnel removed from their bodies show conclusively that the explosion
was caused by a bomb rather than an Israeli shell.

C. The Crater:

- Based on photographs and testimonial descriptions, the crater left
on the beach by the blast was made by an explosion from below (a mine),
and not a hit from above (a shell).

D. Intelligence:

- Israel has amassed considerable information indicating that over
the past few weeks Hamas has been systematically mining the northern
Gaza Beach in an attempt to keep Israeli commandos from landing there.

E. Time of Blast:

- The Palestinian Center for Human Rights claims that the "attack" took
place at 16:40 on Friday

- From 16:54 to 16:57 Israeli surveillance made public today shows that
the family on the Gaza beach was engaged in normal every-day activity.

- The surveillance documentation revealed today continues to show
major activity in the area at 17:10 meaning that the blast took place
sometime between 16:57 and 17:09.

- At 17:15 ambulances begin to arrive from the local hospital – a
five to eight minute drive from the location of the blast.

F. Time of Israeli Activity:

- The Israeli Air Force (IAF) attacked an area 2.5 KM north of the
blast at 17:15, AFTER ambulances had already arrived on the scene.

- Earlier attacks took place, also to the north, many hours earlier
in the morning.

- Israeli Navy boats fired 17 shots from its 166 meter guns at a
location near the destroyed former Israeli town of Dugit from 11:00
till around noon that morning. All 17 shells are accounted for, with
multiple visual and computerized verification systems, all falling some 700
meters north of the investigated blast.

- Between 16:31 and 16:35 Israel fired six times from its ground to
ground 155 mm cannons. Five of the shells, the 2nd through the 6th are
fully accounted for, falling 580-600 meters north of the area the family
was in. The first shell is as yet unaccounted for but carries with it a
statistical impossibility of being that far off range – over half a
kilometer from its intended target.

Comments:

It is imperative that the world understands that Israel is fighting a
war on terror not thousands of miles from its shores but scant meters
from its homes, schools and children. The terrorist activity must be
brought to a stop and the world must bring its weight down on the Hamas
government and the PA president to stop launching rockets at Israeli
civilians and to begin to respect and honor the human rights of
Palestinians and Israelis. By launching these consistent terrorist attacks from
within some of the most densely populated civilian neighborhoods, teeming
with families and children, Hamas and Fatah are calling a holy war on
their own people.

Israel cannot and will not allow these attacks to continue and many
civilians stand in harms way on both sides.

It is up to the international community to stop these attacks and move
the PA government to remove the terrorists from among their civilian
umbrella. Rather than jumping on Israel for defending her citizens, the
world human rights organizations who are all well represented in the
Gaza Strip should begin to call abominable the activities of Hamas and
Fatah – and their cynical use of innocent citizens as a cover for their
terrorist activities.

PLEASE REFER TO THE FOLLOWING SOURCES FOR MORE ON THIS IMPORTANT STORY:

 http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

 http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1130

 http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Tragedy_On_Gaza_Beach.asp

 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=news&id=105257

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662249.htm

 http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2006/june/win1.htm

 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=news&id=105310

 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150191574202&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

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Dr. Mike Cohen is the Senior Analyst at the Galilee Institute in
Jerusalem ( http://www.gogalil.com). He can be reached at  mike@gogalil.com

Dr. Mike Cohen
mail e-mail: pundit02@yahoo.com
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Twilight is liar and hatemonger

14.06.2006 13:37

Gaza Beach Libel
It is now increasingly likely, that in true "Pallywood" fashion, as seen in the Mohammed Al-Dura case and the Jenin "massacre" libel, the Palestinians have attempted another cover-up in order to smear Israel:

 http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

antifa


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Now it's the Israeli NAVY ????

14.06.2006 13:58

Reports are getting sillier and sillier.

A large shell from an Israeli SHIP? Crack open your copy of Jane's. I'm pretty sure the Israelis don't have anything larger than destroyers, no light cruisers that might be able to fire a round as large as that from a 155mm howizer. The Israelis DO have a fleet of missle boats capable of firing missle much larger of course, but those are very different from an artillery round and I think all they have are "ship to ship radar guided" missiles you can't aim at the shore (not locked on to a traget, such missiles auto destruct -- safety measure for the firing vessel to prevent the missile from deciding SHE would make a nice traget).

Look folks, this SHOULD be a no brainer. Some of the wounded ended up in Israeli hospitals where the report is "shrapnel not from a 155mm round". Of course the Israelis could be lying about that but some of the wounded were taken to Palestinian hopsitals so why are we not getting reports from there "shrapnel IS from a 155mm round" -- instead of meaningless opinion stuff like "craters look like". By now we SHOULD have been seeing such reports (from the Palestinian hospitals) if true.

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What Gets Hidden ?

14.06.2006 14:33

So now this story has been shown to be a pack of lies it will be interesting to see what gets hidden by the IMC Editors, will it be the story which of course breaks the Editorial Guidelines or will it be those comments (including this one) that point out the inconsistenties and lies in the story ?

I'm prepared to bet this pile of tosh will be allowed to stay as a promoted item because it provides yet another opportunity for a bit of IMC Jew knocking under the excuse of Israel.

Until such time as the blatant anti-semitism displayed on Indymedia in the UK is eliminated once and for all it can have no place in the activist community. Turning a blind eye to the Far Right involvement in the M&$ protest for example. An issue which has been hushed up for some time.

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ON THE BEACH-YOU TOO. BUT PERHAPS IT AINT ISRAEL/HAMAS, BUT "MINDERBINDER". . .

14.06.2006 18:42

. . . . A KEY to peace, the middle east.
ALSO a tripwire to wars in a world wired for destruction - even accidental "avalanche" cascade effects.
IF THE "commercial outside"agitators"" WERE "cunning", the world might get much nastier, but it'd have a sort of safety, it'd sort of last further than a year or two without serious change. They AINT cunning. If in doubt, "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM BOOM" aint cunning.

WAR, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR . . . . ? $$$$ ! ££££ ! $$$$! ££££!
slushfunds of the world unite, etc, etc, etc, etc.

an old shell on a spring, diff exp . . . . a lot of people have gotten trained up then need cash, then coercion or scams come into it.

. . . . LOOK - THE WORLD MIGHTNT GET A CHANCE FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST A G A I N . hamas are pressured too much - expecting them to all of a sudden discover a pacifist attitude that the usa, or the uk havent kept to, in the current circs, is stupid. (even the disciples wore sidearms in the garden of gethsemane.) Asking them to rethink against "terror" as a strategy does have some reason - as in - it is sensible to desist from "terror" anyway (narrow meaning of it, at least) - seeing as it DOESNT work.
Israels"background" in that sort of thing is worse than unfortunate - it encourages people to think that something that gave a vey bad kick-off to something good was in some way essential - it wasnt. The pressure had grown, worldwide, for israel to have a country again, the good ways could have meant peace, way back, with good, amazing new wonders in the "deserts" created by palestinians with adequate compensations for moving, as kibbutz effort allowed new hopes to blossom too.
The angry distrusting desperation of the 1940s is at least possible for anybody to comprehend. That people got lied to by Balfour, (etc) as much as Lawrence + the Arabs did.
Anybody that has access to people to explain this sort of thing at moments such as these, then doesnt - THAT is "driveby" murder .

For a few dollars extra, the feud was kept going. . . .
IT NEEDED "hard men" such as Aeriel to commence thinking, acting a different way. . . . IT NEEDS people such as Hamas . . . . as in N. Ireland - the people that HAVE lost relations, fought, even fought "dirty" ARE often the people peace - as a PRACTICAL proposition, NEEDS. Hence, people that watch "events" unfold from "faraway countries" that the people here might never have heard of CAN show that they dont need to "monster" either "side", CAN find it encouraging to hear ex-C-in Cs of MsSd talk about the need to TALK ( + MEAN IT, + explain why ), CAN find it encouraging that with hamas's reputation for integrity, with fatahs reputation for diplomacy- even in these times - they have seemed so hard to play against each other. . . . a mature attitude, CAN get everybody into a very different, good future MUCH faster than seems possible. . . .
. . . . BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WISE UP + STOP ACCEPTING THE MACHINATIONS OF CLUMSY PUPPETEERS, with all the paraphenalia of modern tech. . . .

. . . . world cant take the "machinations", etc - guess it is time 2 remember the scams, of the past, if any future worth breathing in is to happen - - - -
see, as a cynic - perhaps a very informed old cynic, i think that when we are over the shock of a bit of " -what - - - - they did THAT to stop peace happening / for the "war-rake-offs" / the cover-ups . . . . we see the way most people,- humanity, the species, ETC was/is a lot better than we pretend it is - in fact, it takes a HECK of a lot of shoddy, shitty crap to stop it . . . . comin' up.

REFERENCES - '38 CZECHOSLOVAKIA parl debate, "iran53""2 remember the scams", "does it help to remember" soldier of f- mag set up with afghan"plausibledenial"70scash, etc.

spread this, ta - it might cost a lot to have wrote.
ps - the "infowar" cash D O E S want "solidarity" campaigns in the "west" to get played against each other. . . . perhaps some israelis should question some of the "support" they get from some thinktanks - etc, + some palestinian solidarity people question some of the reactions, polarising slogans, etc, to , say , put the info to the iranian holocaust commission that undoes the damage of some decades of some having pushed the "protocols of Z" arab courts + embassies for decades, way after the oil industry + the motor trade had stopped pushing it. . . . a new investigation aint a bad thing in itself, if it takes proof from all, - that holocaust did happen, - further things need to come out - it might inspire people to hear some different things - as the sobibor breakout doesnt "match the pattern", or the rosenstrasse demo- that worked "doesnt match the pattern " - allsorts of people have ways to unfreeze the past from its caricatures. . . . to free up the future, too.

pps - the yad vashem (holocaust museum) s campaign to free the sudanese (islamic) refugees is much appreciated . . . .
y e s w e c a n

- - - - x


What are 'grownups' doing?

14.06.2006 19:38

There is no excuse. Look at that child. No official denials or apologies are good enough. She could have been an Israeli girl (or a child from any nation). Hate or revenge is not the answer.

Yet what are 'grownups' doing?

Frankly what they are doing is far worse than childish games. When people attack the innocent with missiles and bombs, they are acting much worse than playfull children.

When we have true compassion for all peoples, we grow up and are fully human.

People want their humanity back. Stop playing these war games. It not the sort of game she wanted to play.

Weep for that little girl. Find your humanity. Then do something positive for peace - not war, not hate or revenge.

John

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response to denials of Irsaeli responsibility.

14.06.2006 23:34

I will reserve judgement as to who was responsible for the explosion, it all seems very unclear at the moment. However, something I noticed from the comments made by Dr. Cohen and Jacob was that their argument relies upon the assumption that Israeli military sources are honest, reliable and neutral. Am I to believe that the IDF could not possibly give misleading or false information? Ask yourself two questions; firstly, have the Israeli government and military told the truth about similar incidents to this one, on every occassion in the past? The answer is without any question, no. They have a proven track record of lies. Secondly, do the IDF have a strong incentive on this occassion to attempt a distortion of the truth for the sake of their image? The answer is of course yes.

Trusting that Jacob and Doctor Cohen would have based their arguments upon reliable sources, I had a look at the 'evidence' they kindly provided. Here are some extracts, the capitals are mine for emphasis:

1) Unofficial Summary of Press Conference Plus Comments
By Dr. Mike Cohen, Senior Analyst, The Galilee Institute

“INVESTIGATIONS BY THE IDF and others [who?] over the past few days have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was most likely the cause of the beach blast” Honest Reporting, June 13th ‘Gaza beach libel’

“The New York Times today reported on ISRAELI DEFENCE MINISTER Amir Peretz's press conference about the IDF INVESTIGATION into the June 9 Gaza explosion which CONCLUDED THAT ISRAEL WAS NOT TO BLAME.”
Camera, June 14th

“At the time of writing, the IDF IS STILL INVESTIGATING the circumstances behind the event, ruling out any involvement by the Israeli Navy or Air Force”
Honest reporting, June 13th ‘tradegy on Gaza Beach’

“THE IDF INVESTIGATION showed that the explosion did not occur before 16:58.”

"THE IDF's electronic surveillance did not show any unusual activity on the beach."

“THE IDF INVESTIGATION has so far shown that Israeli Navy ships definitely did not fire towards the beach at that time”
Israelnationalnews, June 12th

“ISRAEL has denied responsibility for an explosion on a Gaza beach last week”
ABC, June 14th

"In a press conference in the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv on Tuesday, DEFENCE MINISTER Amir Peretz told reporters that, following an intensive three-day investigation, the IDF "has enough findings to demonstrate that [the Friday death of seven Palestinian civilians in an explosion on the Gaza beach] was not of our doing." Jerusalem Post June 13th

and now some of Jacob's sources:

“ISRAEL HAS CLAIMED that the explosions on a beach in Gaza that killed eight people last week may have been as a result of a terrorist attack rather than Israeli shelling.”
Gulfnews.com, June 13th

"Israel is not responsible for a blast that killed eight Palestinians enjoying a picnic on a Gaza beach last Friday, DEFENCE MINISTER Amir Peretz says."
June 13th, BBC

“The explosion on a Gaza beach that killed seven people last Friday was caused by explosives planted there by Palestinian militants, not artillery fire from an Israeli navy gunboat, ISRAELI MILITARY SOURCES said Tuesday.”
CNN June 13th

"The IDF is innocent," was the bottom line that came out of a press conference Tuesday night, during which DEFENCE MINISTER Amir Peretz, Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz and other top officers presented the findings of an INTERNAL MILITARY INVESTIGATION into Friday's explosion”
The Jerusalem post, June 13th

*
There has in fact been one independent enquirey into the explosion, undertaken by Marc Garlasco, an ex pentagon battle damage expert who has worked in Iraq and Kosovo, and is now senior analyst for Human Rights Watch. According to him, after an inspection of the craters and available evidence "all evidence points to its being an Israeli 155mm shell", of the type used to bombard Gaza on a regular basis. The injuries sustained mostly to torsos and heads he says are incompatible with a buried device; "I would have expected to see more serious leg injuries". Furthermore "it would be a really ridiculous coincidence if there is active shelling and suddenly an IED goes off". What is more, he has found a shell fragment at the scene marked with 55mm, and has analysed the other shell fragments collected by police at the scene, and judged them to be of the variety used by the IDF.

Always believe exactly what the authorities say, as soon as they say it, even if they have good reason to conceal the truth. This appears to be the line that has been taken by Jacob and Dr Cohen. While it is true that many news sources lept to conclusions whilst the issue may in some opinions be unresolved, there are few voices involved here that would have greater motivation to lie than the IDF. In that case, why show such incredible trust for an internal investigation by the Isaeli military? Is it beyond the realms of comprehension that governments may sometimes lie? Accepting at face value everything that is said to us by those in positions of power, is an extremely dangerous attitude to adopt. Some would suggest it means letting people get away with murder.





andy


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Hurray for Pallywood

15.06.2006 04:51

Arthur Kennedy
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The Gaza Sea Weeps Blood

15.06.2006 09:35

Arthur, I had a look at that  http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

It says, “No large crater was evident on the beach as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above. The blast site would suggest the likelihood of a mine exploding from below the sand rather than above.”

It’s dry sand and (either) mine or shell would make a large hole, until the wind blows again.


It says, “The IDF fired six shells towards the Gaza area, one of which remained unaccounted for. All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians. “

Apparently according to someone’s watch it was “more than 10 minutes before the blast.” They are even admit some guilt here, then try to explain away why it couldn’t have been them! So why were they firing shells “towards the Gaza area” ???


It says, “Suspicions were initially raised by the Palestinian refusal to cooperate with Israeli investigators and the remarkably swift cleansing of evidence from the blast scene by Hamas gunmen who arrived shortly after the incident.”

They will more likely cooperate with an impartial investigation, don’t you think? We can understand why they would be suspicious and not want to cooperate with investigators from Israel, when according to them (and most likely it is true) that it was Israeli shells that were shot at them.

It says, “Palestinian spokespeople usually display parts of Israeli shells to the international media - but not this time.”

As I said, there’s sand on a beach – lots of it - but perhaps someone will or perhaps someone is about to do just that.

It says, “Israeli intelligence suggests that Hamas had mined the beach area in order to prevent Israeli naval commandos from landing there as part of anti-terror operations to prevent Qassam missile launches.”

So Hamas mines a beach where Palestinians go for holidays and they don’t warn them? Don’t insult our common sense. Give us a break!!!


However, while people are pointing the finger they can miss the point. No matter which side kills who, there is no valid excuse for this war that kills so many civilians on both sides. Most people (especially in Palestine) are very tired of the war games.

The fighting soldier and the terrorist (depends on which side you are on but they are just as bad from their victims’ point of view) are conditioned to accept killing as the necessary and right thing to do but it is not, especially when so many civilians and children get hurt and killed – it does not solve the problem of war - by doing it.

Call it what you like but we cannot be fully human if we deny other people’s humanity – or our own - and this is exactly what war does.

It is said by some that war is a ‘manly’ and immature persons think they are a man by being involved in the war but it’s nothing less than brainwashing, so they can be used.

There is nothing mature about this war. Mines or missiles, guns or bombs, the use of lethal devices or weapons that hurt civilians and children is very cowardly indeed. Look up the word coward – it’s not simply about being frightened, it’s about causing other people harm or putting them in danger.

I say this for both sides. Don’t do it. You are being manipulated and used.

John


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The Brain Surgeons of Palestine

15.06.2006 14:29

"So Hamas mines a beach where Palestinians go for holidays and they don’t warn them? Don’t insult our common sense. Give us a break!!!"

It's not an insult to understand that we aren't dealing with brain surgeons.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad have both been known to transport their rockets through dens populations with kids in the vehicle. Occassionally these blow up too and of course they blame Israel for their "workplace" accidents.
Certainly common sense would tell you not to drive around with kids and explosives. Common sense would also tell you to stay clear of population centers when transporting explosives...so it goes.
Some folks are desparate to believe any and all tales offered up by their favorite "victims".
The Al Dura incident and the Jenin "massacre" are perfect examples.

Hurray for Pallywood!

Arthur Kennedy


So Much Misery

15.06.2006 15:15

The Palestinians "terrorize" while the IDF "accidentize." The results are the same - dead and wounded people, only the IDF is way ahead in the body count category due to superior technology. But, give the Palestinians some time to catch up with better missiles and rockets and the total body count on both sides will begin to even out.

Gaby Goldwasser


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Peace would solve the problem

15.06.2006 18:07

"The Palestinians "terrorize" while the IDF "accidentize.""

The basic difference of course is that palestinians target civilians (terrorism) and celebrate their successful atrocities.
The Israelis wring their hands, and no one celebrates when civilians are killed.
The Israelis should stop wringing their hands and apologizing, and the palestinians should stop firing kassam and katyusha missles. Gaza is no longer occupied. What have the palestinians done since they became wards of Gaza?
In a war, both sides get to shoot.
Peace is the best option, noboby dhooting and nobody getting killed.

Arthur Kennedy


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sri lanka too????"boomboomcheapglobalnewsmanagement????

15.06.2006 18:49

. . . . t tigers deny bus bomb . . . . quite.
Chances are it WASNT them.
proof of "outsiders" - plenty.... a pattern .... m.o. .... precedents .... YUP.
HAS IT STRUCK SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE GETTING BROUGHT "IN" TO A SCAM THAT IS C O L L A P S I N G - SO THAT THEY GET THE BLAME ????

. . . . have others seen the way this is all risks flushing the world down the drain, when peace+ change CAN happen in a good way - for that very reason.

the "controllers" aint in control - all they can do is screw things up for everybody else, ( + try to get others to take the blame, or do the "nasty" to other people to distract attention )
at present they are in a "fugue" panic state of denial, so - even if "in a quiet way", some things that aint talked about perhaps ought to get talked about.


. . . . or do we all have to pretend that we are conned by the old "fallback" internal infowar of " if anybody tries to interfere with the rake-off extortion racket in any way - say that they are a lefty tyrant that'll have everybody eating gruel, etc etc etc etc, then redo some "woo woo guillotines everybody is complicit witchhunt malarkey" - a bit much from them seeing as the ACTUAL tale of witchhunting WAS the same sort of extortion/protection racket theyve run.... ie, in the actual court records the witches got persecuted when some of the dodgy "pardoners tale"-type middleages racketeers werent allowed to shakedown the hugenots, cathars etc when the popes (when THEY werent Borgia-types ) stopped them.
At first it was "death - or pay a bribe" for heresy, with 3 hail marys + a peanut for "witchcraft" - ( check it - irish records, first ever etc etc etc - i'm exagerrating about the peanut, but she/they were also protecting some old pre-feudal christian books, as it happens, so when they did get a "fine", perhaps it sort of was the heresy thing anyway. If you prefer audio, I think womans hour - R4 - did a good piece about it a couple of years ago.
If this seems as if its a "digression" - it isnt that much - since twisting this sort of "example from the past" is exactly the sort of thing that some use to keep others minds " locked "with unreason, with the continuous repetition of these distortions, or an increase of "subliminal" references to "THE TERRIBLE COMEUPPANCE OF THE BOURGOISIE AFTER ....say THE RELIEF OF TOONTOWN, or, mafeking, or - ETC ETC ETC ETC."
Fact is, the later witch-hunts were stopped by the "mob" - ie - the community - that rallied round to the aid of people that were often the local midwife, herbalist or other useful type - to drive the witch-hunters out of town - then banned the witch-hunters. Facts.

A sort of global, pro-am SOCA .... INVESTIGATING IS AS MUCH THE PRESSURE for safe change AS "MOVEMENTS" ARE . . . .

Its got into the "structures" - a bit - but its CRIMES. . . . stupid crimes, at that - but perhaps most of all - its TRAGEDY .

In that is perhaps the " then we woke up" solution
- if we see it as preventing tragedy, we investigate without sweeping anybody under the carpet, or complete amnesties - but without scapegoating people.
The things that need doing to make a different, good future (-for everyone - fast,) are going to take lots of "amends"
(- in fact , perhaps allow people to shine doing that far brighter than they did as a "monster" - either from "Saul" to "st Paul"s, or the Sierra Leone kid-soldiers supportafterweirdbadtrip-thing____or____ words we havent invented yet - but if we do it with the intention of "rescuing" people + communities from stress - or worse - we can also have certainty that as we do so, we protect other people(s) + communities from the "stress" of change. ( the difference - progress/modernisation, as much as punishment+isolation compared to a chance to commence anew, together.)
A crime/tragedy that has tipped the world into wars, dragged us/avalanched us to the point of world destruction . . . . transformed almost everything good about existence into some sort of degredation or slavery - twisted our very sentience against us, as the "cover-ups" pay a higher amount than the accident preventions. . . . so to speak.


Some years ago, for instance, it was decided that it was easier to manipulate "information gatherers" if you got them to do something they were ashamed of - gave them something to hide, perhaps reasons to hate themselves, +/or have contempt for others - as a reaction. It worked as a "control" further than any new ideology, fake or actual, ever did.
Then you gave them a "secret" rank - or a "secret" special in-group to call themselves.
QUEENS, colonels, imp, oompah-poompah.
The pedestal-pit thing. ( ....even if, "yeh, but a queens a jumped-up pawn, - you knock it over at the end of the game same way y'do all the other pieces" ---- overheard )

. . . . sometime s, the people that first did this to others thought they were doing this for the very future existence of a people. . . .

. . . . but worst practise trickles down faster
these times people that are at present in the "commercial sector" do this sort of thing to scores of people for some dodgy hotel boss or other then expect others to clear up - or "silence" the mess afterwards 'cos of the way they did it.



IN THE SAME WAY - AS "TOO NASTY!" AS IT SOUNDS, " SMALL COUNTRIES, FAR AWAY" HAD POLICIES, STRATEGIES - EVEN GOVERNMENTS CHANGED WITH THE "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM" OF MANUFACTURED EVENTS + PLAUSIBLE DENIAL.

so you should include the possible recurrence of these "tactics" in the way you see the world - - - - in fact - a spread of them.
( tech, exponential effects, things that took experts can get attempted by the much, much clumsier, thoughtless people - mmmm - progress WAS something different to mere "modernisation", then. )


PS. T H E O R Y ? ? ? ? LOOK OVER THIS AGAIN. PRINT THIS OUT. RECHECK IT.
YOU WONT FIND A SINGLE THEORY HERE. ITS A L L FACTS.
THINK. IT IS.


PPS weaving back from THREADS, google "2 REMEMBER THE SCAMS" . . . .

. . . . x - - - - x + +


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The Brain Surgeons of Palestine

15.06.2006 22:24

John said:
"So Hamas mines a beach where Palestinians go for holidays and they don’t warn them? Don’t insult our common sense. Give us a break!!!"

So Arthur answers:
“It's not an insult to understand that we aren't dealing with brain surgeons. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have both been known to transport their rockets through dens populations with kids in the vehicle. Occassionally these blow up too and of course they blame Israel for their "workplace" accidents“

John answers Arthur:
You have not answered what I said but I will answer your evasive answer.

You mean that Israelis don’t transport weapons through “dens” populated areas? Even if they don’t, what you say about Palestinians taking risks is no where near as bad as being systematically and deliberately attacked.

Rockets “Occassionally” (means occasionally) or accidentally blow up by themselves in transport or would they “Occassionally” blow up because they have been hit by something belonging to Israeli?

I think that the latter is much more likely! Oh and the word is dense, not dens.



Arthur says:
“Certainly common sense would tell you not to drive around with kids and explosives. Common sense would also tell you to stay clear of population centers when transporting explosives...so it goes. Some folks are desparate to believe any and all tales offered up by their favorite "victims".
The Al Dura incident and the Jenin "massacre" are perfect examples.

John answers:
Who are your favourite victims then? Where is Israel's common-sense and concern for kids, including Palestinian kids? Who are the worse aggressors? Yes there are aggressive people on both sides but let’s be honest in our reporting about this, it’s the Palestinian people who are by far the worse off.

Such is Israel’s blinkered viewpoint that on your site it says, “No country, including Israel can be expected not to take action under these circumstances.“ Well, I am gob-smacked!

Your website says at the very end, “Thank you for your involvement in responding to media bias.”

What can I say? Okay, let me try to use the same Israeli style spin – perhaps honest people like me shouldn’t respond to it then - the bias and spin on that website can be seen. It condemns itself.

John


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Mining their own Business

15.06.2006 23:06

Like I said, we're not dealing with brain surgeons...

 http://www.icbl.org/lm/country/palestine/
Use

In recent years, armed Palestinian groups have used improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and, allegedly, landmines. Some groups are believed to have access to both antipersonnel and antivehicle mines, and have reportedly used the high explosives from mines to make other kinds of explosive devices.[3 ] In this reporting period, since May 2004, Landmine Monitor has received few reports of use of antipersonnel mines by Palestinian groups, and no reports of use by Israeli forces in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).[4 ] In December 2004, according to a media report, Hamas said it had planted landmines and roadside bombs in an area east of Gaza City.[5 ] Another media report in January 2005 said that Israeli troops uncovered two landmines near Rafah, in the Gaza Strip.[6]

The Mine Ban Treaty prohibits not only antipersonnel mines, but also explosive booby-traps and other improvised explosive devices that are victim-activated. Media and others are not always clear whether the devices used are victim-activated or command-detonated and often use terms interchangeably, citing the use of bombs, landmines, booby-traps and improvised explosive devices in the OPT without making any distinctions.

Landmine/UXO Casualties

In 2004, at least 26 new mine/UXO casualties were recorded by DCI/PS, including two people killed and 24 injured; all were children. Activities at the time of the incidents include playing, grazing animals, helping their families in agricultural work, or collecting (scrap) metal.[42 ] Casualties include a girl killed and her brother injured when a mine exploded in the Al-Maghazi refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip on 5 June.[43 ] On 6 June, another boy was injured in a mine incident.[44 ] In 2003, 23 mine/UXO casualties (three people killed and 20 injured) were recorded.[45]

On 5 August 2004, one Palestinian was killed, and four other Palestinians and Moroccans were injured, while illegally crossing a minefield on the Greek-Turkish border.[46]

Casualties continued to be recorded in 2005 with DCI/PS reporting four people killed and 16 injured to August; all were civilians and 18 were children.[47 ] Seven casualties were recorded in the Gaza Strip; five were in Bethlehem governorate, two in Jericho, two in Jenin, two in Ramallah, one in Nablus and one in Hebron governorate.[48 ] In one incident in March in the southern border town of Rafah, four children were seriously injured when UXO exploded in a confined residential area.[49 ]

The total number of mine/UXO casualties in the OPT is not known. According to DCI/PS, more than 2,500 people were killed or injured by mines and UXO between 1967 and 1998. Between May 2000 and the end of 2003, Landmine Monitor reported at least 111 mine/UXO casualties (28 people killed and 83 injured), including at least 62 children.[50 ] UNICEF reports 26 children killed and 120 injured by UXO between September 2000 and the end of May 2005.[51 ]
Related Link:  http://www.icbl.org/lm/country/palestine/

Arthur Kennedy


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BBC LIES THE MEDIA LIES AGAIN YOU FOOLS

16.06.2006 00:10

It was not an Israeli shell and the BBC were forced to apologise for this which they have refuse to do. 6 Israeli shells were sent that day and 6 targets were known. None of these hit the beach concenrned and the shell found is not an Israeli shell. How typical of the media to twist everything and blame the massacres of innocent people on Israel when in fact it is the Arabs themselves.

david


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DEATH TO THE LEFT WING TERRORISTS AND HAMAS

16.06.2006 00:13

I hope all you left wing terrorists on Oxford Street rot in hell with your terrorist Yasser Arafat lying dead in the ground where he belongs. All you scumbugs shopuld have a taste of your own medicine supporting terror and be blown up or gassed to death in Auschwitz which you so openly deny ever happened. Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Stalin, Yasser Arafat and all the Arab dicatortrhszips are scum and many of those are dead and so will you bastards soon.

DEATH TO THE LEFT WING TERRORISTS AND HAMAS


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Take the gloves off. end Palestinian terrorism

16.06.2006 06:25

John argues: "Rockets “Occassionally” (means occasionally) or accidentally blow up by themselves in transport or would they “Occassionally” blow up because they have been hit by something belonging to Israeli? "

Yes, but in this case the rockets were about to be launched at civilian targets in Sderot or Ashkelon. Palestinian missile are of course crap, but this doesn't diminish the genocidal intent to hit a school, a hospital, a tent of hunger striking protestors and kill as many Jews as possible inshallah. Palestinian terrorist groups don't distinguish between civilians and military anyway.

And as we saw in Jamaliya camp last September, when those sons of pigs and monkeys in Hamas take out their oh so big weapons to show off to their beloved Palis, they do tend to go off without Israeli involvement, in this case killing 20 bystanders. Oh and Hamas noisily declared their ceasefire to be at an end that time too, only to backtrack as quietly as they could after a couple of days. Sound familiar?

Voice of Reason


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So Much Censorship

16.06.2006 14:26

The rush to censorship stifles discourse.
It also points to the reality that the palestinians are lying about this incident, and with a little help from their friends will keep the "faithful" in the dark about the truth.

Arthur Kennedy


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Welcome to Nazymedia

16.06.2006 16:42

23 messages deleted since earlier today I see. And this site continues to propagate the BIG LIE about the Gaza beach incident.

Voice of Reason


put the comments back or

16.06.2006 17:55

****

or explain why


Hiden Comments

16.06.2006 20:18

Indymedia admins hide comments that breach the Editorial Guidelines:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/editorial.html

But you can still access them:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/06/342496.html?c=all

If you want to debate the editorial decisions then raise your concerns on this list:

 http://lists.indymedia.org/imc-uk-features

This comment might also get hidden... ;-)

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Another successful Pallywood Production

16.06.2006 23:06

Nice touch Pallywood,, having the girls screm towards heaven like that.
She'll be up for an Oscar!

They eat their young


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Looking at Indymedia UK censorship

17.06.2006 00:02

Indymedia UK has two kinds of organisers at the top, capable of applying censorship

TYPE 1) Blair's New Reich agents. These people push heavily that Indymedia should be a GOOD-CAUSES CONSCIENCE-SALVING OPERATION FOR GUARDIAN-READING, FAIR-TRADE BUYING 'LIBERALS. They constantly argue that people like myself have NO PLACE here. Their method is identical to that found in nazi Germany, when the people of that nation were mostly proud to feel themselves 'enlightened' and 'caring'. Hitler's propaganda masters had the task of encouraging maximum participation in any good-cause that neither threatened or challenged the nazi hierarchy. The Germany people, therefore, were actively encouraged to be interested in charities, 'green issues' and local civil affairs (notice how many articles here fall into those categories).

TYPE 2) Genuine people with various affiliations. These people vary from the 'train-spotters' (people for whom these activities are nothing more than time consuming hobbies just like 'fishing'), to those who no doubt are choked by anger at what people like Blair are getting away with. Many members of this group are all too willing to go along with the demands of TYPE 1, and impose as much censorship as they can get away with. Others are, in strong theory, against any censorship, but fall prey to the "we need it for the TROLLS argument".

Periodically, TYPE 1 censors suddenly demand a relaxation of censorship rules. Why? Because at that moment, then need to allow through clearly racist posts that speak in favour of, for instance, Blair's coming war with Iran. We had a 'wonderful' example of this a couple of weeks back when one of those phoney 'anti-Iran-war' groups posted a diatribe against all the evils of Iran, that began with the use of the word 'INFECTED' directly refering to islam and muslims in Iran. This article was allowed to remain despite at least two of us clearly pointing out that it DIRECTLY broke the anti-racist rules that Indymedia UK claims to follow.

THINK ON THAT WORD ***INFECTED***. A little while later, I happened to be watching an old black-and-white Twilight-Zone where the spirit of Adolf Hitler was advising a young fascist (played by Dennis Hopper) attempting to get support in the US, to use that self same word. Of course, we all know that the authors of the article that Indymedia UK allowed to stand, and the TV show, both really desired to use the word ***INFESTED*** but both considered it too dangerous (for different reasons, of course).

Blair has tens of billions of our money to spend in order to achieve his ends against us. The cost of infiltration in organisations like Indymedia UK is peanuts to him, but he would pay for these actions, even if the cost was thousands of times higher. Blair needs to control every source of opinion, fact, and argument. Those places he cannot take control over, he simply has his agents denounce and discredit as loudly as possible.

One of the most interesting acts of censorship against my words recently occured when Indymedia UK promoted an article about some court case involving an Indymedia 'photographer'. Of course, my response was DESIGNED to hit every HIDDEN rule that Blair's boys and girls attempt to enforce here (but none of the written ones). I attacked Blair's government, and more inportantly his legal institutions, in the full knowledge that the New Reich agents attempting to censor comments would go ballistic.

However, every time comments like mine are censored, those doing the censoring are aware of the dangerous path they are following, with respect to maintaining the public pretence of the purpose served by Indymedia UK. And if they don't censor, they have to feel the distress of Indymedia UK content putting another serious bite into their master, and his causes.

More complicated is human nature. Those that honestly run Indymedia UK are not above petty human emotions, and if they are not careful will fall into the "who the hell does he think he is, that he should be allowed to speak so forcefully?". That the question has a trivial answer, namely that EVERYONE can speak equally on an internet comment forum if they so exert themselves, will not make the difference it should, and Blair's agents know how to exploit these frailties to the max.

twilight


Hasbarah has many homes - IMC should not be one of them

17.06.2006 07:06

It is no surprise that the Hasbarah machine has gone into overdrive over this one. That anyone trusts an IDF investifgation into itself after well publicised cases such as Tom Hurndall, James Millar, Ian Hook and Rachel Corrie seems to indicate a deep seated desire to ignore reality on the ground.

Israel is not the first Apartheid country to tell lies about it excesses against indigenous peoples.

 http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4814.shtml

Comments are subject to the same guidelines as news articles, and the comments section is not intended to be a bulletin board. Theres a link to all the hidden comments in watchers post. Read them and marvel at how nasty they are.

Ariel Sharon's diseased left bollock


Zee Balestinians Are a Beaceful Volken

17.06.2006 14:23

Vat is gewrong mit gekilling zome Chews?
Undt schpreading a bit of propaganda along ze vey?

Yasseer Arafat's Liver Lips


fake massacre

18.06.2006 20:18

German paper doubts Gaza beach reports
German newspaper casts doubt on Palestinian claims that IDF shell killed seven family members on Gaza beach. How come Hadil Ghalia was seen wearing dry clothes after the Gaza beach attack when she was reported to have been swimming?
Ynet
 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3264158,00.html
Original article (in German):  http://www.sueddeutsche.de/ausland/artikel/315/78237/5/print.html

While three major British newspapers published reports contradicting Israel's claims that its military was not responsible for the murder of seven members of the Ghalia family on a Gaza beach over a week ago, a German newspaper casts doubt on the authenticity of pictures taken soon after the bloody incident.
According to new findings, testimonies and hospital records, deadly blast at Gaza beach, which killed Ghalia family members, occurred at time of shelling, not after; British Guardian, Independent, Times newspapers publish findings casting doubt on Israel's claims
German daily Sued Deutsche, said pictures taken by Zakaria Abu Irbad, 36, a cameramen with the Palestinian independent news agency Ramattan, contradict Palestinian claims that an IDF shell killed the Ghalia family and point to the possibility that the event was staged to hold Israel responsible.
Irbad was the first journalist to arrive at the s cene after the attack and Ramattan sold footage of Hadil weeping on the beach by her dead father to all major news broadcasters.
The newspaper said in footage of the beach taken by an IDF drone at the time of the attack, five craters left by IDF artillery shells could be seen, but that 250 meters away people could also be seen.
The paper said it is strange that although shells exploded 250 meters away from a beach site where Palestinian families congregated, no one was seen running away or panicking.
Irbad told the newspaper he was told of the attack by paramedics who guided him to the scene.
But no paramedics are seen until later in the footage, raising suspicions that he was first to reach the scene.
Moreover, if Irbad was the first to get to the scene, why were most bodies covered by sheets? Who was there first to cover the bodies? The newspaper asked.
The newspaper also doubts Irbad's claim that Hadil was not injured because she was in the water when the shell exploded. His footage show her dry and fully clothed.
Another question raised by the newspaper is a shot of a man carrying a rifle next to the dead body of Hadil's father. The newspaper said in earlier footage, the same man was seen lying on the beach among the injured.
The footage also shows paramedics in green clothes and a dozen of bearded men looking for evidence. The newspaper asks whether the men are Hamas affiliates and wonders why they were preoccupied with collecting evidence rather than helping the injured.
Did Hamas men hide evidence from the scene, as claimed by eyewitnesses interviewed by Israeli broadcasters?
The newspaper said Irbad evaded most of the questions addressed to him.
Asked why he didn't try to calm Hadil instead of filming her he said: "She asked me to film her. She wanted to be seen next to her father to show the world the crimes that Israel is committing."
The newspaper finally asks: "Did the shocked 10-year-old girl, who had lost her father minutes earlier, give the cameraman direction instructions?"

Pallywood update


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Bias or Propoganda ?

19.06.2006 09:49

Now that this story has been repeatidly shown to be false it asks the question why Indymedia UK continues to have it as a promoted story on its centre section.

"Hamas minefield kills innocent Palestinians" is not quite in the IMC UK agenda though is it ?

All killing is wrong


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a free media, against censorship, or a f***ing front for the

19.06.2006 15:13

. . . . ft ft ft ft
minderbinder
rackets ?

13 missing comments?!?!


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Why still a promoted article

19.06.2006 16:23

Now that this stroy has been shown to be false why is it still here. It fails the "Editorial Guidelines" test. Or do those infamous guidelines only apply to chosen posts ?

Facism, Irrelevant Within A Generation


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Hurray for Pallywood!

20.06.2006 22:56



No shrapnel found in Gaza victim's body



In unusual statement, Sourasky Medical Center casts further doubts on lethal blast at Gaza beach; hospital says 21 year-old Ayham Ghalia 'cleaned' of shrapnel before arriving at hospital, although it was not medically required
Meital Yasur-Beit Or


The Sourasky Medical Center in Tel Aviv has released an unusual statement, saying that that 21-year-old Ayham Ghalia, who was injured in the Gaza beach explosion , was 'cleansed' of shrapnel before arriving at the hospital.

The report casts further doubts over what happened in Gaza about a week and a half ago. The Israel Defense Forces said it was not involved in the explosion after completing an investigation it conducted, while the Palestinians continue to claim that explosion was caused by an IDF shell.

Ayham was taken to the Tel Aviv hospital, suffering from a multi-system failure.

She was hospitalized in very serious condition, and was sedated and connected to ventilator.

Ayham regained consciousness, but is still in serious condition. She is suffering from injuries to her hands, legs, and stomach.


Unusual practice

The hospital said that the shrapnel should only be removed when the shrapnel forms an immediate danger to the patient, adding that it was unclear why all of the shrapnel was removed from Ayham's body, despite the fact that they did not form an immediate danger, and their removal did not contribute to an improvement in her situation.

Arthur Kennedy


A Week of Israeli Restraint*

22.06.2006 07:43

Yediot Aharonot, June 21, 2006, Translated from Hebrew by Mark
Marshall
(Footnotes added - see link)

In Israeli discourse, Israel is always presented as the side exercising restraint in its conflict with the Palestinians. This was true again for the events of the past week: As the Qassam rockets were falling on the Southern Israeli town of Sderot, it was "leaked" that the Israeli
Minister of Defense had directed the army to show restraint.[i]

During the week of Israeli restraint, the army killed a Palestinian family who went on a picnic on the Beit Lahya beach in the Gaza Strip; after that, the army killed nine people in order to liquidate a Katyusha rocket. But in the discourse of restraint, the first killing does not count, because the army denied its involvement, and the second was deemed a necessary act of self-defense. After all, Israel is caught in the midst of Qassam attacks, and must defend its citizens. In this narrative, the fact that Israel is content merely to bombard the Gaza Strip from air, sea and land is a model of restraint and humanity that not many states could match.

But what is driving the Qassam attacks on Israel? For 17 months, since it declared a cease fire, Hamas has not been involved in firing Qassams. The other organizations have generally succeeded in launching only a few isolated Qassams. How did this evolve into an attack of something like 70 Qassams in three days?

The Israeli army has a long tradition of "inviting" salvoes of Qassams. In April of last year, Sharon took off to a meeting with Bush in which his central message was that Abbas is not to be trusted, has no control of the ground, and cannot be a partner for negotiations. The army took care to provide an appropriate backdrop for the meeting. On the eve of Sharon's
departure, on 9 April 2005, the Israeli army killed three youths on the Rafah border, who according to Palestinian sources were playing soccer there. This arbitrary killing inflamed a wave of anger in the Gaza Strip, which had been relatively quiet until then. Hamas responded to the anger on the street, and permitted its people to participate in the firing of Qassams. On the following two days, about 80 Qassams were fired, until Hamas restored calm. Thus, during the Sharon-Bush meeting, the world received a perfect illustration of the untrustworthiness of Abbas.[ii]

At the beginning of last week (11 June), Olmert set out on a campaign of persuasion in Europe to convince European leaders that now, with Hamas in power, Israel definitely has no partner. The USA does not appear to need any convincing at the moment, but in Europe there is more reservation about unilateral measures. The Israeli army began to prepare the backdrop on the night of the previous Thursday (8 June 2006), when it "liquidated" Jamal
Abu Samhanada, who had recently been appointed head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry by the Hamas government. It was entirely predictable that the action may lead to Qassam attacks on Sderot. Nevertheless, the army proceeded the following day to shell the Gaza coast (killing the Ghalya family and wounding tens of people), and succeeded in igniting the required conflagration, until Hamas again ordered its people, on 14 June, to cease firing.

This time, the show orchestrated by the army got a bit messed up. Pictures of the child Huda Ghalya succeeded in breaching the wall of Western indifference to Palestinian suffering. Even if Israel still has enough power to force Kofi Annan to apologize for casting doubt on Israel's denial, the message that Hamas is the aggressive side in the conflict did
not go unchallenged in the world this time. But the army has not given up. It appears determined to continue to provoke attacks that would justify bringing down the Hamas government by force, with Sderot paying the price.

Even though it is impossible to compare the sufferings of the residents of Sderot with the sufferings of the residents of Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahiya in the North of the Gaza Strip, on which 5,000 shells fell in the past month alone[iii], my heart also goes out to the residents of Sderot. It is their destiny to live in fear and agony, because in the eyes of the army their suffering is necessary so that the world may understand that Israel is the restrained side in a war for its very existence.

Tanya Reinhart (repost)
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How to Fart for Israel

22.06.2006 13:57

How to fart for Israel and produce a smoke-screen of rancid guff to protect a terrorist state:

1) Label any criticism of Israeli Government actions anti-Semitic, and beyond the bounds of civilised discourse.

2) When confronted with a Palestinian sympathiser, call him or her a terrorist, or if he or she is over 70, a terrorist supporter.

3) If your opponent is winning the argument, mention THE HOLOCAUST.

4) Talk about suicide bombing, never talk about the occupation.

5) Shhhhh! Not in front of the Goy! - Don't mention the settlements, or the settlers, and especially don't mention the heroic actions of Dr Baruch Goldstein.

6) Remember that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, the United Nations, the European Union, the BBC, and the International Court, and any other respected oranganisation that critisises Israel are all driven by rabid irrational institutionalised anti-Semitism!

7) Just as all murderers are let off because other people commit murder, so Israel should be let off because it is not the only state in the world to violate human rights.

8) The Israeli army cannot lie when it investigates alleged atrocities comitted by itself. The army is incapable of telling lies. Ever.

9) What's good for Israel is good for America. Except peace talks and compromise.

10) Any Jew who critises Israel is mentally unbalanced and self-hating.

Windy Pops


some of us remember better

23.06.2006 10:18

... like the time (coincidently at another crucial point in the long drawn out and never ending peace process[sic]) when israel claimed to be under 'intense' attack from rocket 'bombardment' ... only it turns out that (admitted rather sheepishly by the idf) that this bombardment was from a mis-firing missle test originating from within israel.

This incident was one of the few to be monitored and analysed by the un mission at the time, using technologies that can indicate the direction and distance of the projectile ... of course realising this, the idf made a rapid about face from its initial claims of attack from Quassim rockets ... only, get this, the left hand of the idf couldn't keep up with the right hand ... at the same time as the irritated idf spokesperson was trying to patiently explain the nature of the 'rouge missle test' to a crowd of jounalists, another idf unit was patiently explaining the nature of the phsical evidence it had 'found' of the Quassim rockets that had 'bombarded' israel that day ...

... whoops!

And just what kind of damage can these legendary rockets cause?

Well, if they succeed in leaving the ground and not falling apart (there is only so much aerodynamic stability you can build into a flimsy shed designed primatively welded tube) and the 'engines' (and ain't it sweet how they feature the classic saturn 5 arrangement of 5 exhuast nozzles!!!) don't cut out and actually burn the 20 - 30 seconds worth of kerosene fuel (not strictly rocket fuel - but hey designing inter-continetal ballistic missles made from scrap is tedious right?!?) AND if they fly roughly in the right direction (having no guidence or telemetry systems) ... THEn they might successfully deliver their leathal payload to ... to ... to ... er, about .01% of israels inhabital areas!

The evidence of their leathality is still open to question, seeing as the inquests on the 2 claimed victims for this weapon over the ENTIRITY of its use were conducted by a closed idf session were, strangely, they found the evidence they needed ...

... to justify the continual shelling and actual bombardment with very expense hi tech weaponry that land exactly where it has been PRE-PROGRAMMED TO LAND ...

... after all those pesky Palestinian militants (oohh, how dare they get upperty with the master race) and their democratically elected govenment maybe permitted to legally (under international law) to resist ILLEGAL occupation and ex-judicial execution (pre-meditated murder) of elected officials ... but racist zionist law says that all resistance will be crushed and that israel will unilaterally - even in the face of international indignation and opposition - decide on the fate of Palestine, land and people.

If israel has decided that it doesn't like the Palestinian police cheif it's people have elected, then israel will kill him. If israel wants bits of land that don't belong to it, than israel will take it and kill all who stand in their way. If israel decides that only israeli owned goods will be permitted to cross the border and be sold on the international market, then israel 'business men' will buy the Palestinian crop (for a pittance) or goods and sell it labled as 'made in israel' ... a very good reason for not buying anything made in israel.

Kill a few kids, provoke a reaction and then whine that 'israel doesn't have a partner for peace - look at the way these alligators on two legs, these crocadile waiting to be thrown meat, these untermenchen act ... they hate our freedoms'

And then twats like 'voice of reason' 'j&p' 'arthur kennady' will jump from the zionist observation platforms and scurry around the internet crying '... we are the victims, but blame those other victims for hating us for making them victims' bullshit - as if sensible people can't spot those times when the horse is put befor the cart!

But that is the art of the big lie ... tell it loud and proud and make sure it represents the exact opposite of reality to provoke maximum outrage and then dine out on the outrage rather than address the falsehood ... a variation of shoot the messenger, always drawing attention away from the facts which will slaughter them.

It doesn't work very well now chaps, time is running out for zionism ... hope it runs fast!

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


no solution

23.06.2006 10:31

its their choice, both Israeli and Palestinian, that they cannot find a solution to their situation. when the rest of the world turns its backs, they will have to sit down with each other. deny them both airtime/presstime, facilities for propaganda. no side is right or wrong, both are infected by violence. leave them all to it. european involvement will only prolong the misery.

bad george


Consequences for their actions

23.06.2006 16:41

"arthur kennady' will jump from the zionist observation platforms and scurry around the internet crying '... we are the victims"

You miss the point. Israelis (particularly Jewish israelis) will not be victims again.
Let the palestinians fire missiles. For every action there is an opposite (and in this case) an UNEQUAL reaction.
In recent days the "freedom fighters" of PaliLand have changed tactics. Instead of firing their missiles from open fields, they're now firing them from populated areas among women and children.
In a war (I know it's not fair to the "palestinians") both sides get to shoot.
The "palestinians" have opted for eternal war instead of peace.
Too bad they don't spend as much time, energy and hard cash improving their infrasturcture and economy, as they do trying to murder Israelis.

Arthur Kennedy


No.

23.06.2006 19:28

Boycott it.
Boycott it.

You miss the point.

israelis are not victims because the Palestinian people want back what was stolen from them, nor are they victims when they display all the disgusting vestigages of fascistic overlords - deciding who gets killed, who gets fed, who gets jailed, who sells their good and who forfeits them.

it would be hard to find many unpopulated areas in gaza, being as it is the most densly populated area on earth - one large prison ... or charnel house?

I expect you can 'prove' your wild assersion that "Instead of firing their missiles from open fields, they're now firing them from populated areas among women and children" with reference (endlessly self referential no doubt) to the extensive collection of articles prepared in hasbara classes around the world ... don't cut it though w/ tecnologically equiped parties willing to prod around a bit.

and it is nice[sic] to see such open xenophobic aggression verbalised as ex-post facto rationalisation for the barbarity of the oppression of the Palestinian people, vis a vis:

"For every action there is an opposite (and in this case) an UNEQUAL reaction."

then again, with everything to lose (in terms of the goals of zionism), perhaps such cornered thinking is no suprise.

reap what you sow.

"Too bad they don't spend as much time, energy and hard cash improving their infrasturcture and economy, as they do trying to murder Israelis"

so when they build infrastructure with the money that the international community of bankers allow to filter through to the legitimate national aspirations of the Palestinian people and the democratically elected officials ... israel destroys it.

when Palestinian farmers grow crops - if they reach maturity without assult by settler, bulldozer or 'closed military zones' - they are stolen from them by a system designed to strangle the economic viability of their efforts, or left to rot in a poignant humiliating gesture and life destroying meme, at crossroads illegally set up by armed thugs from moscow, new york and elsewhere in the ashkanzi dispora.

nice to have all those relatives sending ya a couple of dozen $billion each year innit?

to bad zionists had to go for ethno/tribal/religious manifest destiny and all the baggage of supremacist cult cruelty and selfishness rather than seek peace

... if it eternal war you seek, don't hold yor breath, with a minute manufacturing base - heavily skewed in servicing 'donated' military equipment - israel can not survive on its own ... when your ability to renew your tritium based nuclear warheads becomes to expensive, difficult or technically impossible, and you need to produce your next generation of weapons and delivery systems ... you will be on yer tod ... some eternity!

I give israel another decade at best, before demographics and the growing sense of alienation from the zionist agenda by jews, christians, muslims and lefty athesists sees an end to the confrontational two state solution and israel/Palestine becomes a reality ... or else the area becomes uninhabital through total warfare.

jackslucid
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Yeah, too bad

23.06.2006 19:34

But you no Mr.kennedy, maybe they don´t spend all that money on infrastructure because the IDF will just knock it down again. They build a road, and the Israeli´s block it. They start a business, and the Israeli´s knock down the house. Or just go try and employ some people for your business, and you find they can´t get to work because they have to wait all day at a checkpoint, or they get arrested and held for years without even being charged. How about the infrastructure farmers worked for centuries to build up, with fields of olive and orange trees? I´ve seen the Israeli diggers come and dig it all up, to build a wall to steal all that fertile land away.

In the refugee camps, a lot of people don´t see the point in trying to start anything ´constructive´, because the Israelis simply come and knock it down, destroy lives and families. So, they come to the conclusion that they will only be able to build their lives, peacefully, when the Israelis have gone. And so they channel their energy into destruction instead. Why can´t you just leave them alone? What does it accomplish, to shell their beaches and murder their children?

'Oh, we never deliberately target civilians´, bullshit. Then the IDF soliders must be really crap shooters. Maybe they´re all completely stoned like the soldier who killed Tom Hurndall, and they don´t know where to point their guns.

But I see your opinions becoming more and more blatantly violent. ´Yeah, it´s a disproportionate response, so what´. Well, because of that disproportionate response, children have been murdered, families bereaved. And you don´t give a shit, because they are not the same ethnicity as you. How can you hold those opinions, and call yourself Jewish? How can you transform those human beings into animals in your mind, in the same way the Germans did to the Jews? How can you slaughter the children with such cold, effective, efficient technology?

´We will never be victims again´, therefore you will turn into the oppressors instead? Is it better to be the murderer, than the one who is murdered?

Hermes


Palestinian Death Cult

23.06.2006 22:21

"But you no Mr.kennedy, maybe they don´t spend all that money on infrastructure because the IDF will just knock it down again."

Yeah , maybe...but, Hamas controls Gaza. The only ones knocking down buildings in PaliLand these days are the palestinians.
They also control the southern border with Egypt....some prison hey, where the inmates have the keys.
The idiots continue to smuggle weapons through tunnels, when they could drive them across the border (which the also do).

Hey, here's a novel idea: Why not smuggle food and medical supplies. A bit of timber and brick for rebuilding their homes. Smuggle in some teachers who will teach the kids something else beside murder and death.
Maybe smuggle in some condoms too. Gaza has the highest population growth on the planet.

Continuing to fire missles at israelis will only get more palestinians killed.

Arthur Kennedy


v.v. poor!

24.06.2006 08:25

It's off the scale ...
It's off the scale ...

Now come on, is that the best you can retort? You have had plenty of time, I don't think you are trying hard enough ...

... hint: if you are going to veer wildly off into fantasy and pull 'facts' from the air, try and make them consistant!

If as you say, Palestine controls its southern border with Eygypt, why would they need to 'smuggle' food - let alone weapons?

The fact is that israel controls all input and output from Gaza - the largest prison camp in the world (incidently, stick to the demographic reality: Gaza is the most densly populated area on earth, it does not have the highest population growth, but it does have a very high birth rate, followed swiftly by one of the highest infant death mortalities and one of the lowest per capita access to health care, adequate nutrition and post-natal response ...).

But I can understand that you do not have the capacity to imagine that you may be wrong and biased, and therefore will not burdon you too much w/ the reality of your ignorance, but advice you that you make yourself look monumentally stupid and idiotic when you try and use the poor quality arguments that have satisfied[sic] your non-existant thirst for truth and justice on the rest of us here!

I'm putting you in the useful idiot class, where I will subtly encourage you to rant freely and thus expose the lack of depth of [your] position ...

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


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Smuggling is an Old Habit

24.06.2006 16:00

"If as you say, Palestine controls its southern border with Eygypt, why would they need to 'smuggle' food - let alone weapons?"


Bingo!! You're finally getting it!
It's all propaganda.
Food and weapons flow freely through the Rafah crossing (controlled by the "palestinians"), under the watchful eyes of the European observers.
"palestinians" prefer their useful idiots to see them as poor starving victims of Israeli aggression.
Useful idiots eat that stuff up even when confronted by the facts on the ground.

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No great surprise

26.06.2006 15:25

So now that the world has accepted this was not an Israeli shell where do we still see it reported as such ? Why good all Jew hating Indymedia UK of course. The same Indymedia UK that was classified by the main Indymedia site as,

"A regretable hotbed of anti semitism and anti Jewish racism that has no part of the Indymedia project"

But suppose you were hoping that quote from Andy would just be forgotten wouldn't you ?

Laughing at IM more and more every day


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One month and still Nazymedia propagates the Big lie on its front page

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