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Newcastle Animal Rights raided by police

Newcastle Animal Rights | 14.10.2009 23:35 | Animal Liberation | Other Press | World

Newcastle Animal Rights was raided and police made arrest's

My colleage Jon was raided and arrested by police today on two accounts of fraud and had his house raided and various items seized by police,

My colleage first of all was in Middlesbourgh doing N.A.R's stall which many a time we have done within Newcastle and other places which we have had no problems with the city councils or police, (well ones like this at least)

Police first arrested Jon for two accounts of Theft, (intent and false representation) and carried him away on the spot, and took him down to a police cell. various infomation was then recived and Jon's house was then raided by police removing his, Computer, N.A.R's campain phone, Megaphone, House keys, Stall, AR campaining materials such as leaflets, banners, placards etc, and various other infomation the police thought was relivent.

When the police raided his home they never had a search warrent which is illegal, whilst Jon was within the police cell he was treated against the human right act's and at first was not aloud a phone call, Jon got in contact with his solicitor whom came down and released him after 7 hours, Jon has a court date in December 2009 about this so called "offence"

A meeting with our solicitors is arranged for tomorrow (hopfully) We are asking people to help us fight this unlawfull arrest this takes away the basics of our human rights! Animal rights groups have been targeted alot in the recent years, many of which have had to close down due to stupid laws getting enforced by the police

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Lets show them that they have made false claims and arrest's!

N.A.R

Newcastle Animal Rights

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It's sick...

15.10.2009 00:38

... the way Animal Rights groups/people are being treated, while the abusers are protected by the corrupt govt & cops who are just as bad!!

All the very best for a just solution to all this...

Vegan Panda


help

15.10.2009 03:23

if i can help contact me.

carmen veganfight
mail e-mail: carmen4thepets@gmail.com


Legal advice

15.10.2009 05:01

Hope you get some good legal advice. Be careful too and write on here with caution. The police and CPS can and will use anything as evidence either for the prosecution or any subsequent suing by activists. In my current case (up early as off to court) I had posted about the arrest (and breaches of PACE) on Indy which ended up in the unused CPS bundle and was unused because I had merely commented on custody practices not the case. Good luck and to coin a phrase "Keep calm and carry on". Raids are part of activist life, this should not be the case but all activists would do well to prepare for such an eventuality. Part of the purpose is to intimidate, to drain (replacing megaphones, computers, phones etc is not cheap), to disrupt (no leaflets/posters=difficulty in campaigning) and of course a fishing expedition.
To prepare imagine what you would do if every scrap of paper, every phone number, your computer and therefore internet accesss was gone, all campaign material, bank accounts frozen and that the same was true of everyone in your group. What you will need primarily is contact details, access to money or credit and the warm glow of knowing that for example supporters details are encrypted and therefore safe from prying eyes. Who will take over? What are your backup plans? What if you get remanded? Who will look after the dog/children. Not nice to think about but part of a security culture we all need to adopt, a bit like making sure fire alarms work really, probably will never happen but if it does you will curse yourself for not planning. Just off to check my fire alarm.....

Lynn Sawyer


Cops stoop to a new low

15.10.2009 07:51

Well, obviously the cops have no REAL crime to fight anymore - I guess all rapes, muggings, domestic violence, child abuse is over now? I'm guessing they put this much effort into stopping knife crime, are the streets safe again, guns aren't being sold to random people, and drugs have stopped being traded?

This is one of the most pathetic and lowly attempts by the police to stamp out a new AR group - the cops should be absolutely ashamed, for themselves and for the loss of justice, and for the state of our society (oh wait, they have no shame... battering innocent people, killing protesters, fabricating evidence, need I say more?)

As others have said, NO WARRANT = ILLEGAL RAID = SUE ££££££!

Solidarity with N.A.R, we are all right behind you - don't let these dimwitted robocops put you or anyone else off fighting for what is right! :) :) :)

Steve Discombe


Sec 18 PACE

15.10.2009 09:15

Pigs don't need a warrant to search your house after your arrest - they can do a Sec 18 to look for evidence of the 'crime' they arrested you for or 'any other offence' - so pretty much fishing. They must leave a form in th house.

Eagle


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Theft - this is the stalls

15.10.2009 09:24

This sounds like the stalls crackdown we had in London - you can't collect money unless you get a permit from the council.
Don't fall for the 'public meeting' saga as that means you can only collect money from people who come to your meeting - if they are saying flase representation they are claiming you took money for a charity or some other crap.

@Stalls


Pub legal advice from a friend!

15.10.2009 10:20

Hello AR comrades
I’m not an AR person and have been doing other outlaw shit for a number of years now but I’m sympathetic to your resistance and face a similar bunch of state actors to yourself.
Unfortunately the person above is right about section 18 of pace which means that they can search your house whilst you’re in custody (they often use your keys if your nicked with them) my understanding (could be wrong here) is that they can only do this type of unwarranted search if the crime you have been arrested for means that further evidence may be at your house I.E drugs, stolen goods or paperwork, in the case above your comrade appears to be arrested for theft and fraud (IE possible Paperwork or stolen things). It has become common in some circles for the cops to use “conspiracy charges” that come to nothing to permit them to go fishing.

Significantly if the police are searching a shared house they are only allowed to search the room(s) of the person who is in custody and any shared areas (IE hall, living room) I have successfully forced the police to comply with this on more than one occasion when I have been in a house that is being raided in this way. You have to stand your ground but if you (as opposed to the person in custody) are not being accused of a specific crime then they have no right to look at your stuff.

Obviously if no one is in your house to demand this then plod will look at everything they can lay their filthy hands on, probably leave your door wide open when they leave, and a “receipt” you’re having a laugh. Also note that this only applies for section 18 searches if they have a warrant it’s for a named property (though not your neighbours!!) and their probably going to be looking through everyone’s underwear.

On another note Facebook? You sure that’s a sensible way of communicating? It is funded by the CIA because it means that your social networks are laid bare for the state to see. Don’t do it kids stay free!

Tolstoy


I agree, get legal advice, BUT ......

15.10.2009 11:53

Although our laws over here are different than yours I think what the more knowledgable about laws have stated to be correct. Namely that if they have a warrant for a PERSON they don't need another warrant to enter a place where they might reasoably expect that person might be found, and if they do in fact find that person there, they can then search the immediate vicinity of where they have apprehended that person.

What they can't do here (and I suspect where you are too) is use the fact that they were entitled to enter to conduct a search for things if they do not find the person there but that last gets tricky. Thus might have a good case for a motion to supress if incidental to the search for the person a handgun were found in a shoebox (the person could NOT have been hiding in a shoebox) but not if found in a closet (person could have been in the closet).

MDN


But...

15.10.2009 16:33

It is perfectly legal for the cops to raid houses if a person, who resides at the said property, is in detention. It's part of the Police & Criminals Evidence Act (PACE).

So please get your facts right before posting exaggerations and mis-information on Indymedia.

Raidman


Nevertheless

15.10.2009 22:30

As others have said, they do have the legal power to search your house if you are in custody - only your living space and communal areas of shared houses for this type of search, whereas with a proper search warrant they can search the whole house.

*However*, if the arrest itself was bollocks you can still sue for wrongful arrest.

/h


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LOL

16.10.2009 18:56

Sounds like Jon was caught bang to rights as they say, perhaps if he gets a decent sentence then his written and spoken english will improve a thousand fold, and lets face it, both he and "Andy" could do with some basic education.
Perhaps then they will be employable, and not waste the publics hard eaned money either by scrounging on the dole, or in paying to have the police sort out their stupid actions.

Mr Average Man in the Street


cheers for the support

16.10.2009 20:26

Hey guys,

I personly didn't realise they didn't need a warrent after they have arrested you, Jon is on bail till December 2nd 2009. We have spoken to other various animal rights groups whom of which have gave us loads of support espeacialy Jon, Our solicters say we have a good case against the police and they will be sorting various things which they have done wrong, which I cannot tell you because I have been advised by a colleage of mine not to. Various things they did sieze have now been realised which we are over the moon about. Although we've gotten around 1\4 of all of our campain materials back. I'll infom you all about this when we get some more infomation thanks again



Newcastle Animal Rights

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Bonus

17.10.2009 11:06

A bit more in my pay packet ! Thanks a lot Newcastle A.R.

Matt Gibbons


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Awsome

18.10.2009 17:36

You two are awsome, what a double act.
We all thought that Newcastle only spawned Ant & Dec, but this is just too funny, not only do you entertain and amuse us all with your semi illiterate postings (those spelling and grammar mistakes are great - nice touch) but then you go ahead and get yourselves lifted by the old bill (presumably under the Police, Factories (Misc Provisions) act 1916) a cracking peice of legislation we must say, and then of course for good measure your gaff is searched under sect 18 PACE, what a great day.
Lets have more please.

Duncan


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Agree

18.10.2009 17:43

LoL - Duncan, I agree, they are just awsome - should enter "Britains got Tallent" or at least get an agent and go on the stage.
Perhaps they could also do some magic, pulling rabbits out of top hats (there's a place in Linc's with a few)

PJ


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NAR

18.10.2009 19:35

Having read all the posts made by NAR, I am appalled by the poor standard of english. OK we all make the odd mistake, but the consistent poor spelling, grammar, and general lack of knowledge and apparent education of Jon & Andy actually is counter productive to the animal rights cause; how can anyone expect to be treated seriously when they can not string a simple sentence together.
Guy's, please stop wasting your time, go to college and then hopefully get a job. Once your in gainfull employment, paying tax, and contributing to society in a positive way, you will then have the right to have your views taken seriously.

Gregg


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Game

18.10.2009 19:38

Getting nicked -

Grow up, its a case of "Big Boy's Games; Big Boy's Rules" - if you do not like it, then stop playing!

Rules


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lack of grammer and spelling etc...

19.10.2009 08:49

Hey people,

Jon was the main reporter for N.A.R and I do agree he was not the best at spelling and grammar which is down to him being dyslexic which he cannot and my self help that. I will now be taking over doing reports as it is not exactly professional to do so. And to point out I do have a job various comments about growing up is fairly childish we're all fighting for one cause I'd though we would have a little more support and respect.


N.A.R

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Hi NAR

19.10.2009 11:32

Impossible to say who posted the last few comments. Do bear in mind though that the police and trolls love Indy, don't take it personally it is either criticism well meant (but not well put certainly not in public) or, just possibly police and/or vivisectors having a laugh.

Lynn Sawyer


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Great

25.10.2009 10:42

I cant wait for St Patricks day to come round, at least Jon will be able to dress up in his green leprechaun hat and jacket to augment that ridiculous red beard and hair - LOL

NAR - make Zippo's circus clowns look like normal people.

LOL


Nice One

25.10.2009 16:28

You guy's are awsome, no really, whilst your tying up police time playing your games it leaves me free to rob and steal from old ladies nearby. So a heartfelt thanks guys.

PS - how about varying your days/times a little? especially as the nights are drawing in, perhaps you could do the odd Thursday after the OAP's have collected their pensions!

Bunce


Nice one, Steve Discomb

26.10.2009 18:29

Steve,
Are you that old tosser who lives in Wallsend?

What on earth are you rambling on about, of course the old bill have real criminals to chase; thats why these guys are such hero's to us lags; they tie the old bill up in knots, take them off the street, and generally spread them so thin on the ground that we can go about our business with some degree of impunity...... perhaps I can spin your gaff in Wallsend (then again you probably dont have anything worth nicking)

Bunce


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