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New Amazon Logo Unveiled - #Dec5

Captain Swing | 04.12.2012 23:21 | Public sector cuts | Workers' Movements

Join the Protest - London Strand, assemble Kings College, 5.30pm, Weds Dec 5th

Make stickers, post on Facebook etc, help yourselves....

Save Public Services, Tax the Multinationals! Join the Protest - London Strand, assemble Kings College, Strand, London WC2, 5.30pm Weds Dec 5th

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/503649.html

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Starbucks Logos - Corporate Scroungers & Vampires

05.12.2012 00:52

Starbucks Logo - Corporate Scroungers

Starbucks Logo - Corporate Vampires

Very Good News for Radical Tax Protestors! –

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Dean

Tax Vampires

05.12.2012 00:56

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The Tory cuts are as much about ideology than they are to do with Westminister's coffers being a bit low. With that in mind I don't really see how getting corporations to pay tax translates into cut public services being re-instated. I'd be interested to hear why people think that it will, so far all I've seen is propaganda seeing that it will with nothing to back it up.

n/a

@ n/a

05.12.2012 13:56

Blimey some people are desperate. The cuts are being justified on grounds that the country is in a "deficit" - a deficit which wouldn't exist at all (whether it's an ideological construct or a genuinely real problem) if the govt taxed multinationals properly

As for you seeing "propaganda.... with nothing to back it up" the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee and even David Cameron have admitted multinational tax evasion is a major problem, so, twerps like you aside, the problem isn't one of wether there's "nothing" to back-up this argument, the problem now is whether Cameron's promises to actually do anything about it can actually be trusted

Meldrew

genuine debate to be had

05.12.2012 16:35

OK so there are some trolls about (you can tell from the way they argue that they are determined to misrepresent and find fault with everything).

But that aside, there is a genuine debate to be had about the political pitfalls of "tax justice" campaigning. It can be useful as a way of highlighting the double-standards and inequality in our society, and pressuring the state to shift the tax burden from the poor towards the rich. But it can also be quite self-defeating if it perpetuates an idea of the State being capable of being fair and impartial.

I think what I'm trying to say is, the State will only ever be used to reduce inequality in response to a threat to the system itself from us ordinary folks. For example, the creation of the welfare state after WW2. They didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts!

So calls for the State to redistribute wealth more fairly can be effective if they translate into anger against the entire system, and include a willingness to bypass the State in putting that anger into action. But in the long term we need to get rid of the State altogether, otherwise any gains made will be quietly reversed as soon as public anger dies down. And we need to be clear that that is our ultimate aim, otherwise we perpetuate the same old liberal myths.

bob

@meldrew

06.12.2012 16:20

My comment was perfectly polite, and a serious question. You did not answer it. There is no desperation but a real critique. Cameron has said that it's a major problem, fine. I've seen nothing saying that he will see things like the EMA being re-instated etc. once starbucks have paid their corporation tax. The Tory party are not socialists, and they will not spend money on re-instating welfare services they have just cut. Neither will Labour.

n/a

@mildew

06.12.2012 21:33

>Blimey some people are desperate. The cuts are being justified on grounds that the country is in a "deficit" - a deficit which wouldn't exist at all (whether it's an ideological construct or a genuinely real problem) if the govt taxed multinationals properly

Lol! You really havnt got a clue have you?
The deficit is the amount we fall short of. Ie we have a big debt, the deficit is the about we short fall of in repaying the installments on the debt

The debt is much, much, much, much larger than what large multinationals pay in tax.

james bond need to know

@ James Bond

06.12.2012 23:10

You're right "the debt IS much, much, much, much larger than what large multinationals pay in tax"

That's exactly why people are arguing the multinationals have to pay more tax

Thanks :)

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