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Meeting for an electoral alternative to New Labour, 5 February 2004

eileen (text and pics); Sarah (text) | 06.02.2004 20:49 | Oxford

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Meeting for an electoral alternative to New Labour, 5 February 2004

In the wake of the recent ‘British Politics at the Crossroads’ rally in Oxford on 19 January, with George Galloway and others, a meeting was held in the Town Hall to discuss how to create a united electoral alternative to oppose New Labour. More specifically, it focused on how to mount an effective challenge to Andrew Smith, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions and Labour MP for Oxford East, who supported the Government decision to attack Iraq.

It also came hard on the heels of the Unity Coalition National Convention, held in London on 25 January where a steering group was set up to establish a new electoral coalition in time for the European and GLA elections in June. Consequently, this meeting had the twofold aim of discussing the overall campaign platform of the new grouping, and how to proceed in the local context.

There were around 40/50 people present, including interested members of the public, but mainly people from organisations such as Socialist Alliance, Stop the War Coalition, Oxford CND, Oxford Green Party etc. George Roe of Oxford SA/ Oxford STWC was facilitator for the evening.

We began with a report back from several people who had attended the National Convention on 25 January. The working name chosen for the new grouping is: Respect – the Unity Coalition. Donna Velluti was very positive about the mood at the convention, which was enthusiastic and showed a great willingness to compromise. People were keen to concentrate on the 85% of areas where everyone was in agreement and downplay divisive issues. Another participant, Mark Ladbrooke, said there had been amazingly powerful speakers. He was specially inspired by the young women Muslim speakers. Other Muslims had been present in substantial numbers but the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) was unable to affiliate to Respect because of its constitution, but was encouraging individual members to join.

We then turned to the main items on the campaign platform that had emerged from the National Convention, a simplified version of which had been adopted by the Oxford group, namely:

No offensive wars
· Fair trade and trade union rights

· No foundation hospitals or Private Finance Initiatives

· Close the gap between rich and poor and tax the very rich

· No top-up fees, equal opportunities for education for all

· No incarceration of refugees, no imprisonment without open trial, respect for human rights

· Pension rights - a liveable pension

· No waste of money on nuclear weapons. No further development of ‘useable’ nuclear weapons or other breaches of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. No arms sales

· Referendum on the euro

· Nationalisation of the railway

There was broad agreement on all these points, the only doubts raised were on the question of the euro. The Coalition had not yet clarified its position on the euro, but it was essential to do so before the June elections. Everyone present was clear that they were against the stability pact which severely restricted government deficit spending, but it was felt that in recent times many on the left, including unions, had come round to the acceptance of some form of common currency.

Interestingly, one point on which there had been broad agreement at the London meeting but had not been included in the platform was the question of immigration. Apparently most people had wanted to see an end to restrictions on immigration, but it was felt that currently this would be a policy too far for the British public.

Discussion now turned to the situation in Oxford. Nuala Young of Oxford CND felt it was important for the Oxford group to establish close links with the national coalition, yet retain its independence. Research needed to be done on issues such as the stability pact. Sarah Lasenby, on a point of process, said the meeting should aim for concrete decisions and a plan of action, including the setting up of working groups. Elise Benjamin of Oxford Greens felt that their Party had been sidelined, but was assured by those present that the Oxford Green Party, with its 30 years record of hard work in the city, had an important role to play. Strong support was also expressed for Caroline Lucas, Green MEP for the area. Later Elise mentioned that the Green Conference will be in March when the issue of affiliation to Respect will be decided. Mark Levine stressed the need to educate the general public on issues of peace and democracy, and communicate with them in a very clear and transparent way….

(eileen left the meeting at 8.20pm)

Mike from STWC felt we need the link with Respect as votes could be gained by being part of something much greater. Zaid said that anybody who has contempt for the present government will want the chance to put a political earthquake under it. They will need a Respect candidate. Jill Haas said that it was good that Respect supports Caroline Lucas but that locally we need someone who represents the people in Oxford.

John of SA asked if Caroline Lucas could be invited to speak at a meeting. Martin Gregory hoped we would form a joint slate of Respect and Greens for the European elections in June. He put a motion that we form an Oxford Respect Group from this meeting. John Lister said that as the European elections are on a PR List Respect has the best chance to get elected. Lucy Ford who has worked for Caroline said that an important decision was which group to belong to in the EU parliament. Donna said we need to make links to global issues and to have a united front of the left that will actually win. Hopefully the European election can be exploited and give us more momentum.

We were not all in agreement on the proposal to form an Oxford Respect group so this was left for the moment and a working group was set up to take things forward. People seemed to agree that we will at least affiliate to Respect in due course. Winston Palmer of the Postal Workers and representing the Afro/ Caribbean community was introduced to the meeting and along with a number of others he joined a working group to carry things forward.

The next meeting will be on March 2nd at the Town Hall.

Sarah Lasenby


eileen (text and pics); Sarah (text)

Comments

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Deeply worried

06.02.2004 22:30

It makes me deeply worried to see what I thought was a (laudable) independent effort
to oust Andrew Smith in 2005 turn into a local version of RESPECT, which has a number
of very serious problems (similar to the problems that have manifested in the past in
the Socialist Alliance and Globalise Resistance). I would support a Unity candidate
to oust Andrew Smith, whoever it was....but I will not support a group locally afiliated
to RESPECT, who have no internal democracy, no detailed policies, and are clearly
looking to oust already sitting anti-war MEPs (see Caroline Lucas and Jean Lambert in
London) so that men with large egos can get seats in the European Parliament.

I'm very surprised that some of the people mentioned in this report are considering
affiliating to such a body, to be honest. I won't be involved.

With love but concern,

Matt

Matt S


Matthew Sellwood moans on and on, all over the web!

07.02.2004 09:12

Matthew Sellwood, wannabe leader of green activists, you are turning into a nasty old hack already!

Green activist


help me

07.02.2004 11:17

"most people had wanted to see an end to restrictions on immigration"

I would love to believe that this was possible, but I need a bit of help to see how it could be.
Is this anything more than a wistful wish that people and the world could be different, or has someone thought through the impications to see a way it could be viable ?

Anyone point me to a source which looks at estimates of how many people would arrive in the first five years or so?

How could we handleor avoid the obvious challenges? , like

increased demand for housing
increased social security spending
ghettoisation
increase in resentment from existing population. leading to ethnic tension
increased load on health service due to prevalence of hiv etc in developing countries

would we expect new arrivals to learn english, or would a culturally separate existence be ok ?

There really is a dilemma here - emotionally I really want to welcome and cherish the poor and sick of the world, but I don't know how practical it would be. How drastically would it change britain ? Maybe huge sacrifices would be required of the local population.
Most of whom feel that they are only just surviving, however ludicrous that might appear from a third world perspective.

My other worry is that it is not the most needy who arrive, but the most aggressive and determined, who can find quite a lot of money.

We would have to go out and SEEK those in most need, rather than allow this rather biased self-selection.

freddie


interesting

07.02.2004 12:29

I find it interesting that my comments are hardly every actually addressed by people who slag me off on Indymedia, but instead people resort to ad hominem insults.

I have never hidden the fact that I am a Green Party member, I have never been a part of a front group, I have never used any action that I have been a part of to promote my political party. I just happen to believe that the Green Party has the potential to
open up political space for social movements and anti-authoritarian direct action in
this country, and that fighting elections with them is one of many paths towards a
better world. Therefore if I think well-intentioned people (many of whom I have enormous respect for, and have worked with many times in the past) are making a mistake, I will tell them. In this case I think the establishment of Oxford RESPECT would be a mistake,
and I'm saying so...it's called free speech.

If you're not convinced, then thats fine too.

Much love,

Matt

Matt S


In support of Matt

07.02.2004 13:04

I am not a member of the Green party and am not optimistic about their electoral possibility like Matt.

But I totally support his original comment on the folly of joining Respect.

The internal democracy of this group is shocking... so much so that one of its original founders George Mombiot has dropped out. The Greens are not involved, the Communist Party is not involved, and the Parties leaders look very much like those who lead the SWP, GR and the Socialist Aliance - just this time they've got George Galloway too.

The sad thing for me is I would have supported a democratic and genuine alliance party but not another divisive front group.

I raised my other concerns when George Mombiot came to Oxford in December about the real alternative that political parties can make to a system weighted heavily against us.

I think a far better proposal is to try to change power from the outside by discrediting the distorted institutions they hide behind.

see the actions that took place at Parliament last week and also I've just seen this:
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/02/285014.html

James


ban this rubbish

07.02.2004 18:25

What the fuck is this doing on Indymedia? can we ban this fucking parliamentry, statist rubbish please.

Nestor


too much bullshit not enough news

08.02.2004 20:02

There have already been countless of these "political alternative to new labour" speeches. Lots of SWP newspapers have been sold and that is the purpose - lets face it.
No point voting green because as shown with the european greens they become morree rightwing when they get closer to power. All of these parties will end up being full of beurocrats and other middle class bussy bodies.

translator


My my my, the State is worried hehehe

08.02.2004 22:33

Well well well, to have so many of the state's dim employees attempt to bomb this thread is just beautiful-- Sceptic, Spock, Translator, and Nestor ALL doing disinformation on the same thread.

Divide and rule, that is what as usual the spooks are up to.

Look around at the threads over the next few months, there are some simple themes which the disinfo merchants are going to repeat and repeat and repeat, in the hope that they will acquire some semblance of truth in the mind of the left.

Lie number one: RESPECT is just a SWP front, which any selfrespecting cool anarcholeftie should just ignore

Lie number two: Galloway is a liar/crook/buffoon which again should be ignored or rejected

Lie number three: electoral politics-- even voting --- should be jettisoned by an self-respecting anarcholeftie

Ergo: ets all stay home together instead on June 10 and smoke spliff and say how boring and useless politics are, and how much we hate the SWP!

Watch the patterns my friends.

In my view, lets make RESPECT into something that we like. Whats for sure, is that we must turn out to vote in strength on June 10. Make it the real Stop Bush day. Whether you vote Respect or Lib Dem or Green should depend on who seems like they just might beat the New Labour smurf runningin that seat. But let shake things up in the ballot box just as we do in the street. Get motivated and dare to win.



Ghost Buster


the best approach to trolling

09.02.2004 00:42

Whether 'trolls' (which is, after all, just a label) are being disruptive because they work for the state, because they are extreme right fascists or somesuch, or sad lonely people with nothing better to do or perhaps just have an intolerant style of debate, is irrelevant.

My advice is to take posts at face value, reply with clarity, respect and restraint, unless they are clearly ridiculous, in which case just ignore them :)

If we are clear about what we believe and why, then what do we really have to fear from 'spooks'?

And BTW Identifying certain posts as trolling as an argument for the other side of a debate is crap. Just because a troll takes one line doesn't make it wrong.

freshgroove


Afraid of thickos like you?

09.02.2004 23:20

Hey bud, its the intelligence services who are acting illegally-- indeed unconstitutionally. Read your bloody Bagehot, or if you're not up to it maybe Peter Hennessy in last weekends press. You have no business attempting to shape public opinion, even through a medium such as this.

Yup I've got spooks among the friends and family. We've got a whole Rote Kapelle thing going. And we are everywhere, you'd be surprised how we know what you know. We break bread with your bosses's advisors. So you be afraid!

Jokes aside, you should try to be less transparent in your disinformation.

Doc for Spock


facist?

17.02.2004 18:46

Facist? Is that someone who judges people primarily based on the features present on the front of their head, or is it someone who is a huge fan of early Rod Stewart albums?

I've got to say, this thread shows a depressingly low level of argument coming from the anarchist left (of which I'm a part). Come on, people!

We reject voting for a wide variety of reasons, primarily because we are utterly convinced that direct democracy is infinitely preferable to representative democracy, and because we refuse to participate in the legitimation of the political classes who rule over us. Anyone who gets elected becomes progressively divorced from the affairs, attitudes, and needs of the common people, and ends up pursuing power for its own sake.

In many ways, this shambles that is the RESPECT coalition could be quite positive for us, as it will divert the energy of much of the rest of the left into electoral projects where I sincerely believe they have almost no chance of winning anything at all. However, this only works in our favour if we come up with alternative organizing strategies and do the hard work that will be required to implement them. Stay tuned to indymedia for more on this, there's lots happening at the moment...let's get to work!

fedor tchuss


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