BRADFORD HEROES
OFF OUR KNEES | 11.07.2001 16:31
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OFF OUR KNEES | 11.07.2001 16:31
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They just don't get it?
11.07.2001 19:16
Unity
education
12.07.2001 16:16
However, the last bit about education seems unfair. Who needs to be educated? Everyone. The ruling class need to be educated about the fact that we're not going to take all their shit anymore so they'd better watch out. The working class need to see that there is an alternative to the bullshit system we're forced to live in.
They also need to know about the breadth and extent of the shit that's going on. Does everyone know about GM, climate change, privitisation plans etc etc etc ? Does everyone know that all these issues have a common root ? Does everyone know that the powers that be are powerless if the people just stands up together and says NO! I hope not because if they do and they're not doing anything about it what chance have we got?
eyes
popular education=direct action
12.07.2001 20:02
It took 80 years of education, propaganda and experimentaion(a large part of the population was illiterate) to get to the point of the Spanish revolution. I think the Ferrer schools played a significant role. Also, during the civils rights movement in the U.S "Freedom schools"definetly played a significant role.
Anyways, keeping fighting the fash
asian canadian
debate
12.07.2001 20:50
human
what about Belfast
13.07.2001 02:26
just wondering.
wondering joe
What's the verdict?
13.07.2001 18:09
I don't doubt racism, economic and social, exists in the Bradford area and works in favor of the whites, but I think other folks earlier comments on how both sides can be exclusionary and monocultural has a lot to do with the tensions. It's all too easy to say one side is to blame, but that's just as vulgar as racism itself.
I suggest both sides in this conflict start educating their communities about xenophobia and prejudice much more. I am white and I have asian friends who say they won't date whites because they feel they would be betraying people of color. All the while, this white boy is one of the best friends they've ever had. Confusing? Yes. But that's what we have to deal with.
As far as solutions: the local government can start by forcing a racial quota on every school: half-asian, half-white with complete separation of religion and state. Yes, a lot people in both communities will hate that proposal arguing that they are "losing their culture". But right now, what you got isn't working.
Kevin
Fair comment on Belfast
17.07.2001 13:19
Long live the Heroes of Ardoyne!
Jo Jo
Bradford Riot
18.07.2001 22:31
Dynamic Derek
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File under personal rant
21.07.2001 17:11
newboy
Racism
25.07.2001 03:55
But I did want to ask a question. How much of the population is Asian in England? How much is Black? I think I read somewhere that it was less than 10%. I can tell you that when I went from living in multiracial working class neighborhoods to living in all white working class neighborhoods I had to deal with anti-Semitism for the first time in my life. Why is the non-white population so small in England? Does it have something to do with the citizenship laws, and with the way immigrants are treated? Perhaps you will hear more Asian voices if you go to the protests against the racist citizenship laws and the ghetto-ization and criminalization of asylum seekers.
As we say over here, "Papeles para todos".
On the subject of working class local actions, and the elitism of middle class leftist, I totally agree with the first comment. Y'all are hella more advanced then we are over here on that front. But you definitely need more color, more cultural diversity and awareness, more mezcla, more shiluv.
As far as the thing about not dating a white guy, I can understand that. When people are a minority, when they have to deal with prejudice and when they feel intense pressure to conform, to talk and act like everyone else (even when I was over there I felt like I had to sit on my hands all the time, and when words popped out of my mouth in Hebrew, Arabic and Spanish, there was a lot of intolerance and negative reaction), they need a place of their own where they can speak their language, practice their rituals and be themselves. If the majority culture was more tolerant and more accepting, if the pressures to conform weren't so heavy, then I don't think you would see as much identity politics.
Over here there was a lot of intense politicking around identity politics in the 1970s and 1980s. I was involved in it too. But today, people are beginning to see how their own ethincity and culture was cooptated and sold back to them, and how the universities cooptated the Women's Movement, the police destroyed the Black Power Movement at the same time that the unversities set up Afro-American Studies departments, and the Democratic Party cooptated local leadership. Meanwhile class differences are busting out all over the place in all kinds of different groups, women, gays/queers, Latinos/Mexicanos, and Blacks and African Americans. Even fights over names show a difference in class. Racism exists as ever before. But it is blattant, it is institutional, it comes from the police and the courts. Meanwhile working class people are beginning to realize that they all have some very fundamental things in common. People from the marginalized groups had to go through the nationalist stage and come out the other end, and see with their own eyes how people from their own community, once they got into power, betrayed them. And people from the majority culture had to give up a great deal of their power, including the privileged place they had in the job market and wage inequality. Perhaps you all are going through a similar process that we did back in the 1970s and 1980s. People from the majority culture, even working class people from the majority culture do need to educate themselves about other groups, and they need to learn to be more tolerant and open.
Don't expect the Asians to open their mouth and come to you. You need to go to them and stand with them to defend their communities, and fight against housing segregation and job discrimination. And fight the racist immigration laws. And in the process of the struggle, you'll be amazed how much you'll learn.
canito
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