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Anti-war activists silenced

Ranter | 11.10.2001 14:07

Anti-war activists in Sheffield have been effectively silenced by the undemocratic behaviour of the SWP

I want to way first that the reason I am reporting this is so that we can remove obstacles to building an effective anti-war movement not to simply slag off the SWP. What is such a fucking shame is that their undemocratic behaviour will hold back a mass movement from being built. It is even more of a shame given that most SWP members are putting lots of effort into building such a movement, but here is the sorry tale

In Sheffield there was a large public meeting to launch the anti-war coalition. This was followed by an activists meeting on October 3rd with maybe 50 people at. There was a discussion about the nature of the steering/group committee. There were differences of opinion expressed.

Some speakers all form the SWP calling for a small committee. Other groups/individuala called for all to be represented. Another idea was for spokes council type system which has been common in the peace movement and direct action movement for a long time. People familiar with the history of the workers movement will recognise that this in outline is a skeleton of the form of organisation known as workers councils. This bottom up rather than top down organisation was the key to the most succesful political movement in the UK in recent times - The Poll Tax revolt

The idea is that each group sends a represenative. So if there is a local area group, or workers group or action group (say anti-war artists) they can send along a spokesperson plus observers to ensure accountablity if they want. This is democratic and it means that any decisions taken can be quickly implemented. It maximises participation. It also can ensure that any new groups getting involved can be involved in decision making. It means that all are accountable. This was a form of organisation that operated in Sheffield successfully during the gulf war and the SWP were happy to participate in.

The CND chair suggested a compromise, so that a divisive decision could be avoided. The compormise was that there should be an open meeting and that anyone who wanted to be on the committee could be on. Given the desire to achive consensus and focus on campaigning rahter than structure those wanting a more democratic systme did not ask for a votel. The chairs compromise was agreed on.

At the first "steering group" meeting, this consensus decision was overturned by a meeting at which about 17 SWP members and 6 or 7 others attended. A commitee of the SWP's chosen ones was elected. This is completely undemocratic and disempowering.

Given the SWP memos that have ben published on indymedia perhaps their behaviour should not be surprising.

It leaves those of us committed to democracy. participation in decision making and change coming from below rather than the top down with a difficult choice, should we
Have a big row at the next activists meeting and piss off loads of people that just want to get on with stopping the war?
Stay silent about such a stitch up?
Accept that the SWP runs the coalition and will use it for their own ends which in the long run will piss off people who want to stop the war and ?
Take our ball home and sulk and leave the field clear for the SWP to recruit and sell merrily (probably what they want) ?

There is a silver lining in the sorry saga, the SWP must be getting pretty desperate to be behaving in such a way.

Ranter

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Set up and shut up!!

11.10.2001 18:51

Have a second meeting - open to ALL the public,put forward the motion of a vote of confidenc(after fairly and squarely explaining the current scenario),and attempt to set up another more representative committee...this is NOT a venue for promoting personal ideologies(however tempting that may be),it is about putting a halt to the lunacy taking place right now in the Middle East.
This has to be dealt with - the longer you squabble among yourselves,the longer the massacre continues in Afghanistan.
That is ALL that is important!

The Seamster


Exclude the SWP

11.10.2001 20:56

The SWP are hijacking the whole thing which, according to their oh so obvious tactics, makes it look like they are the only ones doing anything and effectively silences anyone who thinks differently or wants to act differently than they do. The only answer is to form coalitions with groups who refuse to have anything to do with the SWP or Globalise Resistance. For all their bleatings, they are NOT anti-globalisation, they are in favour of it. What the Zapatistas say is absolute anathema to them. Autonomy is the very last thing that they ever want to see for individuals and small groups. If they do succeed in completely ham stringing the anti war movement in this country they will have achieved their aims. They do not give a toss about anything but their party.

Krop


now look pal

12.10.2001 14:44

As an SWP member, I can accept you disagree with our politics. I think it's a shame you feel you have to refuse to work with us even in the anti-war campaign; but again, your call.

But how *dare* you tell me and my comrades that we don't care about people being killed? Do you *really* believe that we see the bombs dropping and the dead and injured kids on the news and think "wahey, now we can recruit"?

Please think about what you say once in a while.

Ben Drake
mail e-mail: ben.drake@york.gov.uk


Reply to Ben

12.10.2001 15:24

Ben I'm afraid whatever about you as an individual amy of us think your party (SWP) just sees this war as another recruiting opportunity. In my case this is based on experience of the SWP during the Gulf War and the wars since. The party notes published here just confirmed what I would have presumed anyway.

Ins hort you might be a nice honest guy, your may may be entirely composed of similar genuine types. But the politics of 'build the party' always end up in cynical manipulations that piss people off. There is something rotten in the SWP (and leninism in general). That's the point.

And moralising about 'the only issue is the war' is just rubbish. The left with one or two notable exceptions has not been very good at stopping wars. Part of the reason for this is the manipulative behavious practised in the name of efficency. If you want to stop wars then this is an issue that has to be tackled

Andrew


As a SWP member

12.10.2001 16:01

I am a member of the SWP, a Marxist and a strong believer in the value of organised, revolutionary politics. But I can't bear the behaviour of the unelected SWP leadership which has consistently undermined the party and pursued the 'build and sell' policy to a dangerous extreme. They have made the rank and file look like complete arses and have disrupted and undermined other organisations through a policy of infiltration.
The Stop the War Coalition is threatening to become another SWP front and could undermine the whole anti-war effort. As a SWP member, I want the leadership to stop its bullying tactics, start to act co-operatively with other groups instead of dominating them and learn the value of democracy. Perhaps they may even consider opening the party executive up to democratic elections, with the involvement of the whole party membership.

Uno
mail e-mail: uno@union.org.za


Sounds like what we got in Australia

15.10.2001 10:27

Sounds like what we got here in Australia that go under ythe title of Socialist Alliance they go to these meetings and stack them they say they are from different groups like Democartic Socialist party, international Socialist Organisation, Resistance, M1, S11 and Socialist Alliance and they call and get into arguments with people and want a representitivefrom each of these so called groups and then want to vote on it.

So devisive aren't they they even chant the same slogans as SWP in England. But then again in Australia one of the top people who "donates" tens of thousands of dollars Max Lane used to work for in the Indonesaian Embassy and got kicked out of Indoneasia for spyong . His boss at this time is the head of Australis overseas spy agenicy ASIS just by chance he gives most of his"pension" from the government to this Socialist Alliance.

No wonder they want to get the "contact details of everyone at the socalld movement building meetings". This is hopw the government spy agencies get infomation on social activists. I will no longer have anything to do with these cop spivs. Any group they are involved with in Australia they try to either take control of it or bust it up

Anti-Facist


not robots or spies

15.10.2001 15:53

Okay. I'm not going to get into the arguments about Leninism etc because we'd just go round all the houses again and bore the pants off folk.

The only point I did want to make, and thanks to those who acknowledged this, is that we are human, and the news makes us just as sad and angry as you. That's why we're active in the first place.

And, incidentally, nor do we ask cops to arrest fellow activists. It'd be like crossing a picket line.. not on, never.

Ben Drake
mail e-mail: ben.drake@york.gov.uk


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