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C D | 30.10.2001 12:35

I assume some people must believe this. Theres an email address at the end for comments to the author as well.

By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Banner of Liberty, ( http://www.bannerofliberty.com)

October 30, 2001

Based on some of the claims being made in the last week by left wing journalists, I believe we are having more success in the war on Terrorism that the Bush administration is prepared to claim.

For example, John Pilger, former chief correspondent for the Mirror of London, announced, incredibly, that the


"The war against terrorism is a fraud. After three weeks' bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan.
Instead, one of the poorest, most stricken nations has been terrorised by the most powerful - to the point where American pilots have run out of dubious "military" targets and are now destroying mud houses, a hospital, Red Cross warehouses, lorries carrying refugees.

He then claims that the Taliban "is a creation of the Americans and the British. In the 1980s, the tribal army that produced them was funded by the CIA and trained by the SAS to fight the Russians.

Really? First we are told that it was Osama Bin Laden that funded the Taliban. Then we are told that the Taliban was created by the Pakistanis who did not want a strong government next door to them. Now, we are to believe that it was the CIA and the British intelligence that funded and trained them?

Next Pilger claims, after setting his stage that the evil Americans are picking on "one of the poorest, most stricken nations," that the hypocritical Americans:

"When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996, Washington said nothing. Why? Because Taliban leaders were soon on their way to Houston, Texas, to be entertained by executives of the oil company, Unocal. With secret US government approval, the company offered them a generous cut of the profits of the oil and gas pumped through a pipeline that the Americans wanted to build from Soviet central Asia through Afghanistan."

Now, that is merely a statement. I don't know if there is a shred of truth to it. But, if it is, it sure would reverse his first whining complaint, that the problem is that Afghanistan is "one of the poorest, most stricken nations" on earth, wouldn't it?

Or, would it? Why, do you suppose, are there so many people in these oil rich nations, run by billionaires, who are among the "poorest" people on earth in the first place? Could it possibly be that they have harshly eliminated one half their population, women, from the nation's economic base, moved their entire economy to dependency on opium poppies for the European heroin trade and gathered up most of the rest of the population, the males from ages 10-12 up to train for killing others? War is all many of the men know.

Have Americans been the source of their poverty? No. They made that choice for themselves.

Pilger ends his diatribe with:


"There is, however, a continuing war of the powerful against the powerless, with new excuses, new hidden agendas, new lies. Before another child dies violently, or quietly from starvation, before new fanatics are created in both the east and the west, it is time for the people of Britain to make their voices heard and to stop this fraudulent war - and to demand the kind of bold, imaginative non-violent initiatives that require real political courage.
Pilger is not defending the poor, as he would have you believe. He is a defending a multi-millionaire, Osama Bin Laden, who wants to destroy America - and other Western nations, including his own nation of Great Britain. This kind of report in the British press, has caused many, in the words of one British reporter, "to forget the people who died in the World Trade Center." Far more sympathy is going to the handful of civilian casualties claimed to have died in US Bombing raids on military targets than for the nearly 6000 who died in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Then, of course, we also are hearing a drumbeat of demands that we halt the bombing when Ramadan begins in mid-November, even though the Afghans themselves have never halted their civil war during Ramadan.

Furthermore, in 1973, in what one report called "a rare moment of flabbiness in Israeli intelligence and in the government" Muslim neighbors attacked Israel on the holiest Jewish day, Yom Kippur, which coincided with Ramadan, the holiest religious observance of the Muslims.

After 1973, when Muslims chose, for surprise purposes, to ignore Ramadan in order to attack the Jews on Yom Kippur, their holiest day of the year, they can't reasonably expect us to take them seriously in demanding an end to bombing during the month of Ramadan.

So, what can we deduce from all this? I think it means that we are having a major impact on the terrorists headquartered in Afghanistan. We have been told, repeatedly, that there is a "plan" which has not been described to a frustrated media. However, if reporters would stop talking for awhile and listen, they might learn something.

They want carpet bombing, and what they are seeing in Afghanistan is methodical, targeted bombs dropped at what appears to be a leisurely rate. Some have even gone so far as to complain about the number of bombs dropped, compared with the number of bombs the Russians, who, of course, lost in the end, dropped.

While some U.S. planes seem to be finding, and dropping guided bombs on tanks and military convoys, other planes are dropping food to starving Afghans. Of course, as is being hysterically pointed out, we DID bomb the Red Cross warehouse three times. Accidentally? Probably not. Those supplies have been available to the Taliban. In fact, we were told, they removed the supplies, then brought them back. Why, do you suppose, did they do that? Did they have some left over anthrax to add to the bags, perchance?

If that food had been under the control of the Taliban at any point, it SHOULD be destroyed. It should be obvious by now, considering what they have done in the past to their own culture and their own people, that they are perfectly capable of poisoning food in Red Cross warehouses, and giving it to Afghans and then blaming it on the Americans.

As George W. Bush said in the beginning, there are two sides in this war. You are either for the terrorists, or you are against the terrorists. Pilger is clearly an apologist for the terrorists.

President Bush gave the Afghans three weeks time to surrender Osama Bin Laden. They refused, clearly thinking that President Bush would be as big a pushover as President Clinton. They were wrong. It is their own miscalculation about George W. Bush that is causing them to see death and destruction reigned on their heads.

What the Taliban wants is for the bombing to stop and for the Americans to come in on their turf to fight in hand-to-hand combat. Strangely, there are Western journalists who seem to be supporting this recipe for disaster.

To comment:  mmostert@bannerofliberty.com

C D

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gobshite

30.10.2001 13:45

Fuck-off back to "civilised" West Texas y'horse-eating, crack-smoking, parasitical, child-abusing, motherfuckin leccy chair obsessed, klan rally attending freak of nature!
Oh, and don't dilly dally on the way.

upsetter


The balancing act...

30.10.2001 15:12

Hi there Mary,
I have never seen your site before - so if anything your comments have served as a good advert to your site for people to try and understand where you are coming from.
The cynical person would say - very clever......

You raise some very interesting points that provoke thought about the opposite view that Pilger portrays.

It is not unreasonable to take his comments with a pinch of salt bearing in mind the current mass media's obsession to confirm the 'nationistic' governmental view that we are blasted with every day. The days of a journalist being investigative are almost over - we rely on Pilger and his type to provoke thought and discussion on the subject matter - rather than taking the 'prescribed' political line.

That said - some points you raise are interesting...

I would be keen to know how you break down John's arguements based on no 'evidence' whatsoever - * note I say evidence - not common understanding which could be sourced from gov. officials, tv, newspaper etc *

For example: " Firstly we are told that it was Osama that funded the Taliban" - who told you this? The fact that you say "we are told" proves that you were unable to confirm this line yourself..... Osama is very highly likely to be having something going on with the Taliban - he has money and skills they could only dream about.
It doesn't take too much effort to dig thro the web to discover that the Taliban were in fact trained and funded by the CIA. This has never been denied - which begs the question - where does your disapproval of Pilger regarding this come from?

Lets put more into perspective... John 'whines' about the state of Afghanistan. Do you somehow deny the fact that Afghanistan is one of the poorest, most striken nations in the world?
Lets not forget the majority of people in that country are peaceful ( as Islam determines ) family driven people - you imply from your comments that there is a wholesale generic evil running thro the population and everyone there somehow really likes that war actually and can't think of anything better to do than blowing people up. Making a comment like that puts similar comments about all American's being gun-toting NRA mountain dwelling yokels as equally valid - which they are quite clearly not.
You must break away from the media driven pre-conceptions about people - Moslems are peaceful by nature - the quran will explain that to you
Yes - you could bring atttention to the lines in the quran regarding taking offensive measures against your opponent of equal measure - but it draw parallels with the Christian Bible's "eye for an eye" - as you will be well aware of, looking at your background in SA.

You then move on to imply that John is defending the Saudi dissident and not the poor - backing your arguement on the alleged 6,000 people who died. Check you facts - we over here already know that the official death toll currently stands at around 2,300 - with only a few hundred missing - get your facts straight before you persecute. You have also swallowed the complete version of events about Osama.
Coming from a country that screams about freedom of info, and innocent until proven guilty, you seem rather contradictory to put the complete blame at the door of the Saudi - based on NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. Yes - your TV screams constantly about his guilt - of course they are - America is hardly going to suddenly admit - 'Shit - sorry mate - turns out it wasn't you after all - no hard feelings?' - but have you confirmed beyond all doubt, based on every scrap of evidence - that he is responsible? If you have - do you feel comfortable with pounding clusterbombs all over the country for later generations to walk over, pick up etc etc? Do you feel that this is the most effective way to find a single head in amongst the mess of afghanistan?


Finally - to imply that Anthrax was going to be placed into Red Cross food parcels has Fox News written all over it. Ol' Rupert Murdoch doing his bit for the cable network ratings wars??

That last comment is deliberately tongue in cheek. Do you really think that the PROVEN American strain of Anthrax was either brought BACK into the states for use in the post? or was somehow developed into useful grains to be wasted on their own people - they are winning the PR war as it is - no matter killing what little support they have left out of Pakistan.

These, like yours, are my points of view...

Comments?

Peace and love

Paxman


Paxman


Hope I haven't confused...

30.10.2001 16:06

I hope I haven't confused anyone by posting the article onto the site, me not being the author n' all. I found it inadvertently and was trying to give a good example of whats being chucked out from the other side of the propaganda fence, as bad as it is! To 'Paxman', I agree with you totally - I think it might be worth sending your reply to the address at the bottom of the mail. I would imagine the reaction would be quite interesting - or more likely non-existent.

C D


What a load of tosh

30.10.2001 16:13

How fucking deluded can a person be.
As a human I am insulted by the existence of such beliefs and the people who hold them. People who just believe what they are told to believe by the media and politicians.
You are a facist my love.
Fuck you and the American idiots you represent.
Land of hate and fallacy.
Hopefully you'll die of anthrax.
Good riddance.

Peter Frampton


Would love to but...

30.10.2001 16:38

Hi there CD - Sorry - hadn't noticed that!

It would be interesting to send that to their site for an appraisal BUT.....I am doing this from work and the only email I have is a work one - Unfortunately, I currently work for a large American Company so this could invoke a lot of probs for me!!

Peace from Paxman...

Paxman


why not?

30.10.2001 19:01

hey paxman, what's the difference for your employers between you writing what you did on indymedia and you sending it to the actual intended recipient? seems a waste not to send your considered thoughts to the place the lunacy lies... if there is a real problem, maybe you could pop into a web cafe and create a new e-dentity on yahoo or something just to send this on and maybe recive the reply...

zedhead


shes been told

30.10.2001 19:24

i just mailed her with the url of the article so maybe she will reply with some laughable drivel

Hiro Protagonist


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