Shame on pigwatch.co.uk - hate site
Jack | 13.04.2002 22:11
Jack
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Jack | 13.04.2002 22:11
Jack
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Yes, but...
13.04.2002 22:27
Furthermore, do you think it is right that the police take photographs of anyone and everyone engaging in their democratic right to protest? It is obviously a tactic of intimidation. So why is it ok for the Police to take photographs of citizens, but not the other way around?
G
The police are above the law.
13.04.2002 22:44
The police know they're above the law. They can murder people on the streets with impunity. The cops who shot Harry Stanley dead in Hackney, for example, will not face trial. We're not even allowed to know their identities.
Cautious Fred
You see the kind of people who like cops?
13.04.2002 22:50
Pigwatch is a humourous site started by people having a bit of a laugh at the bastards who beat us up all the time, and who smashed the miners and who have murdered over 1,000 people since 1969, without any of them ever being punished.
A site run by some of Jack's friends, redwatch, is not so funny however, as it holds the names, addresses and pictures of anti-racist activists and encourages physical attacks on them by fellow-Nazis.
ACAB!
red'n'black
Homepage: http://www.ourmayday.org.uk
minor correction
14.04.2002 00:05
kambei
not my "friends"
14.04.2002 00:08
Secondly, Redwatch (I've browsed it a few times, and yes it is a pretty nasty site), is just a retaliation for Searchlight which has printed the names, addresses and photos of nationalists for targetting by "anti racist" thugs. Not only that, but has printed misleading articles smearing these individuals and their organisations.
But back to the point, I do disagree with the police photographing protestors who've committed no crime. As far as I'm aware it's not even allowed, so perhaps you have a case against the police?
However, web sites like pigwatch.co.uk, while they might be a laugh, do have a pretty unfunny subtext which is the blatent hatred of the police.
I'd be reluctant to start banding around accusations of racism, especially after a 60 year old pensioner in the North of England had a poster against Islamic Extremism forcibly removed from his window by the police lately. His poster was perfectly legal, yet, the police came out in force and smashed down his door, as well as pinning him down before removing the poster. Apparently this was to protect him as much as it was to prevent offence to any resident terrorists - so instead of tackling these thugs they insist that free speech is removed to appease the violent fringe of the Muslim community that might attack him for daring to speak out against Islamic terrorism. Once again they're riding roughshod over democracy to keep the multiracial society together.
I won't say that there are no racist police, I think it's likely there are racists in every police force. Racism is just a side-effect of the multiracial society where groups are at eachothers throats in the worst case, or suspicious and resentful (mostly) at best. There's an underlying suspicion of ethnic minorities (especially the less integrated groups) among a lot of white people. Add that together with the fact that most white policemen only ever deal with ethnic minorities in confrontational situations, as 90% of street crime in London is done by blacks, and the distrust only increases. In the end, they end-up racially profiling crimes subconciously, but this is only natural because men commit vastly more crime than women and are therefore treated as suspects more, so if blacks commit vastly more crime than asians and whites it's only fair they're racially profiled. This fact is undeniable because asians commit fewer crimes on average than whites despite the fact they are generally poorer. The classic example of where racial profiling works is the profile of the serial killer: male, solitary and white. Young people are also targetted more by the police because they commit more crime. Of course it's wrong to say 100% of these types of criminals will be this race or that race, but they are useful because it only makes sense for the police to go where the fish are biting.
But the crude hateful resentment you see and hear from the architypical "bigot", is just an expression of their anger and anxiety - their way of articulating it. It might just be the use of the racial slurs, the racist jokes, or more severe things like attacks, but in the end these things all come from the inherent problems that bunching a load of different people from different cultures together has. It has yet to really work properly anywhere, and as the numbers grow so will the problems. We had centuries of instability with the various groups moving into Britain: Normans, Saxons, Vikings etc.. Do we really want a century of fighting before things settle down between whites, blacks and asians? I just don't think we need this, we have enough social problems as it is, we sure as hell don't need more problems imported. If views like that make me a "Nazi" then so be it, but I don't remember advocating extermination or worshipping dictators.
Jack
not my "friends"
14.04.2002 00:08
Secondly, Redwatch (I've browsed it a few times, and yes it is a pretty nasty site), is just a retaliation for Searchlight which has printed the names, addresses and photos of nationalists for targetting by "anti racist" thugs. Not only that, but has printed misleading articles smearing these individuals and their organisations.
But back to the point, I do disagree with the police photographing protestors who've committed no crime. As far as I'm aware it's not even allowed, so perhaps you have a case against the police?
However, web sites like pigwatch.co.uk, while they might be a laugh, do have a pretty unfunny subtext which is the blatent hatred of the police.
I'd be reluctant to start banding around accusations of racism, especially after a 60 year old pensioner in the North of England had a poster against Islamic Extremism forcibly removed from his window by the police lately. His poster was perfectly legal, yet, the police came out in force and smashed down his door, as well as pinning him down before removing the poster. Apparently this was to protect him as much as it was to prevent offence to any resident terrorists - so instead of tackling these thugs they insist that free speech is removed to appease the violent fringe of the Muslim community that might attack him for daring to speak out against Islamic terrorism. Once again they're riding roughshod over democracy to keep the multiracial society together.
I won't say that there are no racist police, I think it's likely there are racists in every police force. Racism is just a side-effect of the multiracial society where groups are at eachothers throats in the worst case, or suspicious and resentful (mostly) at best. There's an underlying suspicion of ethnic minorities (especially the less integrated groups) among a lot of white people. Add that together with the fact that most white policemen only ever deal with ethnic minorities in confrontational situations, as 90% of street crime in London is done by blacks, and the distrust only increases. In the end, they end-up racially profiling crimes subconciously, but this is only natural because men commit vastly more crime than women and are therefore treated as suspects more, so if blacks commit vastly more crime than asians and whites it's only fair they're racially profiled. This fact is undeniable because asians commit fewer crimes on average than whites despite the fact they are generally poorer. The classic example of where racial profiling works is the profile of the serial killer: male, solitary and white. Young people are also targetted more by the police because they commit more crime. Of course it's wrong to say 100% of these types of criminals will be this race or that race, but they are useful because it only makes sense for the police to go where the fish are biting.
But the crude hateful resentment you see and hear from the architypical "bigot", is just an expression of their anger and anxiety - their way of articulating it. It might just be the use of the racial slurs, the racist jokes, or more severe things like attacks, but in the end these things all come from the inherent problems that bunching a load of different people from different cultures together has. It has yet to really work properly anywhere, and as the numbers grow so will the problems. We had centuries of instability with the various groups moving into Britain: Normans, Saxons, Vikings etc.. Do we really want a century of fighting before things settle down between whites, blacks and asians? I just don't think we need this, we have enough social problems as it is, we sure as hell don't need more problems imported. If views like that make me a "Nazi" then so be it, but I don't remember advocating extermination or worshipping dictators.
Jack
Racism, the police and the BNP
14.04.2002 11:16
Secondly, and on the subject of policing, if the BNP win in Burnley (or anywhere else, for that matter), there will be race riots. This is not incidental - the BNP hopes to follow an electoral strategy of provocation. The Asians will do all the rioting, and the BNP will escape the blame. This is, on the face of it, a far more intelligent strategy for the extreme right than the traditional boot-boy tactics of the NF and C18 - that is, turn up and kick seven bells out of any passing ethnic minorities. With their electoral strategy, the BNP can masquerade as respectable while still inciting racial violence. This is a theme to be found throughout Europe in the activities of the far right.
Pigwatch is probably not much of a threat to national security. But racists are. They are mounting a systematic campaign to divide the working class into "ethnic" categories. When fascists like Jack seized power in Yugoslavia, the country imploded into violence and over 250,000 people were killed. This is Jack's sick dream for the future of Britain. He claims to be a patriot, but his fantasies will kill more British people than all the wars we have fought since 1945.
Don't let the BNP gain any seats in the local elections! Vote for any candidate that opposes the BNP, irrespective of party. The BNP thrives on voter apathy - a low turn-out more or less guarantees them victory. But above all, come to South Bermondsey station on Saturday 20th April (Hitler's birthday) to oppose the NF march through south-east London. If the fascists want to use direct action and the ballot box, so can we!
IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME IN GREAT BRITAIN. LET'S MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY!
Anarchist Rioter
thx jack
14.04.2002 15:04
and if its inspiring police-hate, then long live police-hate... because personally(and thats what the net is about - personal opinions), i hate the police!
pigwatcher
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14.04.2002 17:18
Jack
Stop PORKER HATE SITE NOW
14.04.2002 20:31
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