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swp,the time is now?

observer | 18.04.2002 17:39

apparently the swp think that the 'time is now', over 1000 members gathered in london last sun


Apparently the SWP think that the 'time is now'and maybe we are in a pre-revolutionary situation (world wide that is), over 1000 members gathered in london last Sun to discuss the evolving political situation



btw, 'would the new radicalisation on all fronts' refer to all the swp fronts including a new palestinian one.

from the paper..

SWP convention

United action and politics needed

OVER 1,000 people attended the Socialist Workers Party convention in London on Sunday. It took place the day after the magnificent demonstration in London in solidarity with the Palestinians. That march underlined the central message from the convention-that the political situation has been radically transformed. Speakers who became active socialists in the late 1960s, when the last worldwide upsurge against capitalism took place, described how a similar international revolt was unfolding today.

"We are living through the most exciting time for revolutionaries for 30 years," said Socialist Workers Party national organiser Chris Bambery. Since the anti-capitalist protests in Seattle in November 1999 it's like we have been on an escalator of protests. Britain is in the frontline of these developments. That's because Tony Blair is the main supporter of Bush's war drive, and also has formed an alliance with the most right wing leaders in Europe, Berlusconi and Aznar, to push neo-liberal policies."

John Molyneux from Portsmouth was one of a number of speakers who emphasised how events across the globe had an impact in Britain.

He said, "Look at Palestine. It led to the huge demonstration in London yesterday. But not only that. We had a demonstration in Portsmouth of about 150 people the day before. The demonstration in Barcelona was not only about Barcelona. It leads people in every town, workplace and college in Britain to discuss and debate."

The new radicalisation is taking place on a number of fronts-the anti-war movement, solidarity with the Palestinians, the deepening anti-capitalist movement, the Socialist Alliance challenge to New Labour, opposition to the Nazi BNP, and the stirrings of industrial action. Speakers stressed the centrality of socialists throwing themselves into these battles in united action with others.

Much of the discussion centred on how socialists can do that, and also win support for socialist ideas and methods of taking these movements forward. "There is a pressing need for clarity of ideas," said Joe Cardwell, who helps organise the Marxist forums which take place fortnightly in towns, cities and localities. There is a thirst for political ideas and discussion. And the new movement means that those discussions are fresh. The discussions about Palestine, women's oppression and every other topic are not simply repeats of previous meetings people may have gone to. They throw up new angles, new examples, new ways of explaining Marxist ideas because the movement itself is posing those questions in a new way," she said.

A key theme of the convention was that strengthening the number of socialists and their ability to put forward their ideas goes hand in hand with building the movements. The Marxist forums and a wider circulation for Socialist Worker were identified as the main ways of doing this.


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GOD HELP US !

18.04.2002 17:58

Yes, there had been talk about this 'convention', but this is scarey stuff ! Can we seriously imagine the ramshackle SWP actually storming the parliament and organising the trades unions into armed battalions ? So THATS where their delusionary fantasies are leading ? NO . Delusion is all it is ! Im not joining the SWP then; Im getting on the plane out of here ! Bloody crackpots !

a Triffid


Storming Parliament??

18.04.2002 18:10

I couldn't imagine Chris Bambery arguing with a traffic warden let alone storming parliament.
The SWP will storm nowhere. Don't forget, they are a vanguard party, which means they hope to be at the back while the working class form the front line against forcer of the state. (As if the working class can't see through them now).

Inter-National-Ist


Translation

18.04.2002 18:18

"There is a pressing need for clarity of ideas"
We must tolerate no dissension from the party line

Gonzo


unlikely

18.04.2002 18:34

As long as the SWP remain the largest organised group of anti-capitalists, the chances of a successful revolution are slim.

josef stalin


we should be glad theyve split from mayday

18.04.2002 18:53

if SWP GR have decided not to hang around and block the real mayday action, that means theyve capitualated to the dull labour movement and we neednt have to put up with their detestable membership so much. "membership" ? what a crew ! EITHER street thugs hoping to get a few crumbs OR creepy christians straight from oxford; hardly representative of the proletariat are they ?

qwerty uiop


Why?

18.04.2002 20:00

Whenever the SWP is brought up in this forum, it is bound to generate a lot more interest than some of the most important issues of the day. In little more than an hour after this article was published there were five posts slagging off the SWP - more response than any other article posted on the newswire for the last week! Meanwhile, there was a massacre in Jenin, trade union leaders assassinated in Colombia, some of the largest demonstrations in European history held in Italy, police sabotage of the MayDay website and a multitude of demonstrations planned.

What are the priorities of IMC users? Attacking one group involved in the anti-capitalist and anti-war movements. It's crime? A bit of rabble-rousing rhetoric by some of its leadership, intended to raise the morale of its rank and file.

Oh, come on. Give it a fucking rest! It's getting so boring and completely peripheral to what's going on. May I suggest less navel gazing and bitching and more concern about what's going on in the real world? The SWP are completely irrelevant in the wider scheme of things, so why make it so important?

Dan Brett
mail e-mail: dan@danielbrett.co.uk


a good laugh

18.04.2002 22:52

it's a good laugh though innit?, seriously tho, the swp is the biggest left organisation in uk and what is does with its numerous fronts is becoming more important and of concern to those who don't believe in hierarchilly organised
politics. 100,000,s of good people have passed thru the swp/anl etc and left cynical and jaded, thinking politics is shit and left wing politics in particular.

btw, some of us do more than just post on boards as i know you do, dan

observer


know your enemy

19.04.2002 02:35

"good friends i've lost long the way" The s.w.p would build a nastier more totalitarian and uglier world if they ever had the chance. Instead they seek out and destroy any form of resistance , no wonder they are riddled with agents who lead the gullible into traps , remember m1 oxford circus last year . They also find it impossible to communicate in anyway other than a high energy hysterical 1960's b.b.c drama form of authenticness that belies there cultural and political poverty.

who nose


Observer

19.04.2002 09:16

I do a lot more than 'just post to boards'. And I like to participate in more than constant anti-SWP slanging matches or just the occasional mass demonstrations.

It's surely better to discuss, investigate and understand matters, than engage in this inane, rancourous and pointless shouting match that erupts in IMC every fortnight. They are unimportant and outside the British left (which is quite a small group), people have barely heard about them. From what you say about them, I doubt they'll get any power in the future since people are so obviously put off by them. So why bother talking about them?

Dan


Bored as well

19.04.2002 13:15

I don't like the swp, but I'm really bored of all this moaning on imc. Why don't the small (ish) group of you who go through the same old arguements very week or two set up your own discussion list or website, where you can repeat the same things to your heart's content. Sorry but that's how I feel.

blah blah blah


SWP are a particular problem

19.04.2002 14:24

because unlike most socialist groups, they act in a parasitic way by co-opting and effectively liquidating any leftish group they can. THIS is the germ of totalitarianism, (it isnt in perceived 'heirarchy'. the SWP is not 'heirarchical' really)
other socialist groupings can of course be highly critical of ultra-leftism, and should they seize power, may close them down, but in general they respect the autonomy of, for example, the white-overalls movement. only the SWP doesnt. But WHY is the SWP doing this ? Too many of the accurate criticisms of the SWP are rather metaphysical, ie, they describe after the evidence but dont EXPLAIN whats happening. Eg, the SWPs rebuttal of authentic Marxism, the transient membership, the endless shifts in party line, the chumming up to the Labour party... WHY ?
principally to perpetuate the party as an end in itself, reduce the role of the proletariat in social- political liberation and to further the cause of British imperialism overseas.

Anna Key


mm

19.04.2002 17:15

I'd never get away with re-posting a Socialist Worker piece!

Thanks for the advert folks ;-)

internationalist
- Homepage: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk


thieves liars and sados

20.04.2002 14:16

if anyone staeals your flag it is time to fight back and this pile of sheep have done this to the maximun. First of all by following their stalinist roots by re writing history , as proved by the numerouse north korean style re descriptionstions of the history of mayday and then introducing the completely repugnant post foot and mouth stylee stagnant shite of saying "its a great opportunity to talk to workers" . well i am a fucking worker and i will be joining any other worker sold out by the trots and giving a good spitting to any arse hole fascist dressed in fake red who shows his sad 1917 history tuturiol to my face. Be warned i know who has stopped every revolution for many years and they were you carreerist (ii respect the the ladies so i wont say the word) baabaabaaa

whose nose


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