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WE IRAQI ARE SICK AND TIRED

Desperate Iraqi | 13.11.2002 15:02

Enough is enough, we Iraqi are sick and tired of anyone whatever his color, background, nationality, who support Saddam the evil dictator. Those who defend him, simply they are receiving million of Dollar from him to do the job.

First read what "Noam Chomsky and Michael Albert" say about Saddam: They say:

"He is as evil as they come, ranking with Suharto and other monsters of the modern era. No one would want to be within his reach. But fortunately, his reach does not extend very far.

Internationally, Saddam invaded Iran (with Western support), and when that war was going badly turned to chemical weapons (also with Western support). He invaded Kuwait and was quickly driven out. A major concern in Washington right after the invasion was that Saddam would quickly withdraw, putting "his puppet in [and] everyone in the Arab world will be happy" (Colin Powell, then Chief of Staff). President Bush was concerned that Saudi Arabia might "bug out at the last minute and accept a puppet regime in Kuwait" unless the US prevented Iraqi withdrawal. The concern, in brief, was that Saddam would pretty much duplicate what the US had just done in Panama (except that Latin Americans were anything but happy). From the first moment the US sought to avert this "nightmare scenario." A story that should be looked at with some care.

Saddam's worst crimes, by far, have been domestic, including the use of chemical weapons against Kurds and a huge slaughter of Kurds in the late 80s, barbaric torture, and every other ugly crime you can imagine. These are at the top of the list of terrible crimes for which he is now condemned, rightly. It's useful to ask how frequently the impassioned denunciations and eloquent expressions of outrage are accompanied by three little words: "with our help."

The crimes were well known at once, but of no particular concern to the West. Saddam received some mild reprimands; harsh congressional condemnation was considered too extreme by prominent commentators. The Reaganites and Bush 1 continued to welcome the monster as an ally and valued trading partner right through his worst atrocities and well beyond. Bush authorized loan guarantees and sale of advanced technology with clear applications for weapons of mass destruction (WMD) right up to the day of the Kuwait invasion, sometimes overriding congressional efforts to prevent what he was doing. Britain was still authorizing export of military equipment and radioactive materials a few days after the invasion. When ABC correspondent and now ZNet Commentator Charles Glass discovered biological weapons facilities (using commercial satellites and defector testimony), his revelations were immediately denied by the Pentagon and the story disappeared. It was resurrected when Saddam committed his first real crime, disobeying US orders (or perhaps misinterpreting them) by invading Kuwait, and switched instantly from friend to reincarnation of Attila the Hun. The same facilities were then used to demonstrate his innately evil nature. When Bush 1 announced new gifts to his friend in December 1989 (also gifts to US agribusiness and industry), it was considered too insignificant even to report, though one could read about it in Z magazine at the time, maybe nowhere else. A few months later, shortly before he invaded Kuwait, a high-level Senate delegation, headed by (later) Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole, visited Saddam, conveying the President's greetings and assuring the brutal mass murderer that he should disregard the criticism he hears from maverick reporters here. Saddam had even been able to get away with attacking a US naval vessel, the USS Stark, killing several dozen crewmen. That is a mark of real esteem. The only other country to have been granted that privilege was Israel, in 1967. In deference to Saddam, the State Department banned all contacts with the Iraqi democratic opposition, maintaining this policy even after the Gulf war, while Washington effectively authorized Saddam to crush a Shi'ite rebellion that might well have overthrown him -- in the interest of preserving "stability," the press explained, nodding sagely.

That he's a major criminal is not in doubt. That's not changed by the fact that the US and Britain regarded his major atrocities as insignificant in the light of higher "reasons of state," before the Gulf war and even after -- facts best forgotten. "
 http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2422

"WE DO NOT CARE WHOEVER COME TO FIGHT AND BE HOUNEST TO HELP US GETTING RID OF SADDAM"

You may argue that the US interested in Iraqi oil only. We say yes why not at least they shall not take it and let people starve as Saddam has been doing for the last thirty years.

You may argue, you may loose 5 million people to be killed because of the US war.
We say let it be, Saddam so far have killed more than three millions(iraq-Iran-Kurds-Kuwait) and there are more than four million Iraqi displaced outside Iraq.

You may argue, but Saddam is not a threat, what he is not a threat if he used Chemical weapon to wipe out completely innocents women, children, and elderly in HALABJA - NORTH IRAQ, and have committed so many crimes against humanity.

SO THOSE WHO ARE CRYING FOR SADDAM, PLEASE STOP SUCKING IRAQI BLOOD.

Desperate Iraqi
- Homepage: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2422

Comments

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Thoughtful stuff!

13.11.2002 15:44

I agree.
A lot of leftist minds seem to belive that the cause of the different problems the population of Iraq is facing, is chiefly the policies of the west.
People, leftist peacelovers and others, should consider the role of Saddam´s militarism and the huge amounts plunged into dubios construction projects (of palaces, monuments and so on).
These sums could´ve been spent on medicines and food programmes, couldn´t they?

Fighttherealenemy


puzzled

13.11.2002 15:49

Sorry if I'm mistaken in this instance...

But I've noticed quite a few 'suspicious' posts on Indymedia
recently.

The anti-Palestine one today was a good example.

delzzup


Saddam wants his people hungry

13.11.2002 16:19

There has NEVER been a ban on Sadam selling his oil for medicines or for food aid. The truth is that he wants his people hungry and he wants them to believe tha its not his fault. who's falling for that one, suckers?

Dave


America helped Saddam to power!

14.11.2002 09:59

America helped Saddam Hussein to power in the first place and kept him in power with massive support. A year after he gassed 5,000 Kurds at Halabja the American government called for closer ties with Iraq! It was also America that sold Saddam Hussein equipment to produce chemical and biological weapons!

Here is also why the Kurds were persecuted in Iraq:
In the early seventies before Saddam came to power when the Shah was in power in Iran, America then backed Iran. It then sought to destabilse Iraq by backing Kurdish guerrillas by arming them with not enough weapons to overthrow the Iraqi government as it didn't want the Kurds in power but giving them just enough arms to be a drain on Iraq. After the Shah of Iran was deposed they switched sides and supportted Iraq and cut off all arms to the Kurds that is what led to the massacre and persecution of the Kurds under Saddam Hussein!

Harlequin


neither oil nor freedom is worth a human life

14.11.2002 10:34

hang on aminute!

something smells very very fishy. the problem is not whether or not to get rid of saddam, everyone agrees on the fact that he's an evil dictator.

as we all know, thanks harlequin, that he has been a puppet or at least at the receiving end of Washington's favour.

the issue here,well two in fact.

its like the death penalty. yes, maybe some or at least most people would like to think that their particular insight into a situation justifies the killing of another person. if all people were pure and true than that may be the case, but as so often happens with big institutions, there is doubt asto the judgement and motivation behind the sentencing of someone to death.

as is the case with saddam.

the fact is that America is not there to save Iraq from saddam, but rather to get to her oil. and that is no reason for killing a leader of a country, let alone the innocent people.

plus, do people forget the fact that its a highly questionable thing to step into another country and 'remove' its leader, regardless of the apparent guilt of that person.

would it be justified if the Party Secretary of China decided to save Americans from 'shrub'-s evil regime, after all, there are 40 000 000 kids below the poverty line?

it pisses me off that people assume the right to save others without the understanding of the motives behind it. 5 000 000 innocent iraqi lives for the sake of "freedom" is still not something i would like to have on my concience.

nugh said.

wings


Oh Dear

14.11.2002 11:02

Saddam has killed thousands, UK sanctions has killed hundreds of thousands, war has already killed millions but if another FIVE million must die to depose a tyrant, it's worth it?

You mean FIVE MILLION Iraqi women and children are happy to die under a hail of cluster, thermobaric, nuclear and neutron bombs, for Regime Change?

Do you really think the US won't let you starve? Take a closer look at Zambia, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Angola, Namibia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Korea or South American countries...

Yup, the World Bankers and Oil and Drug Barons sure love the Third World!

Sussed


All about oil?

14.11.2002 16:13

"The oil companies run the world!"
How´s that for a naive modern myth, designed for leftist boneheads!
In reality a lot of things interact, sometimes big financial
interests are of central importance, sometimes they´re more peripherical (- yet in the field of world politics never remote).
My first argument against the "oil companies-thesis" is therefore that nothing is really understood or gained, by pointig at a single factor in an intricate context(like world politics) and giving it the epitath "sole cause"
( - and that´s EXACTLY what you do when claiming that the policies of USA and other western nations concerning Saddam, is simply an expression of the utter greed for Iraq´s oil, shared by big companies).
My second argument is this.
If Saddam was successfully dethroned, crude oil prices would probably fall. Such a development would be connected to relations between supply and demand in the first place (but the world market is a complex context as well - other factors have importance, like transportation costs, production costs etc.) If those things occured, would it benefit the oil companies? That´s likely to be the case, but it can´t be taken for granted. As we all know, end-product prices tend to fall on a capitalist(non monopolistic) market when production costs or costs for raw materials decrease.
It´s probably true that oil companies like Exxon and Shell want to get rid of Saddam and that they´re interested in low crude oil prices (even if they might NOT benefit a lot IF that was achieved).
With the energy policies at hand today in America, Europe and most Asian countries, these companies will continue to make profits whatever the development might be in Iraq. Their part in the plans of war against Iraq are exaggerated - as the influence on world politics by big companies are often exaggerated.
A more sensible approach to the question is considering who else could GAIN something by getting rid of Saddam?
It´s obvious that the Bush administration would gain a lot IF such an operation was efficient and the costs death toll was held at a minimal. It would certainly boost the Bush administration´s image in especially the US and in some other countries as well. What´s even more important is that the american economy would surely benefit AS A WHOLE if an US-friendly government was established in Iraq and crude oil prices decreased. If that was accomplished, Bush would stand a good chance of winning the next presidential election.
Finally, one must realise that we don´t live in world governed just by plain economic conditions/agents/interests.
Saddam is viewed by a lot of people (for example in Iraq) as a MILITARY threat. There are a lot of persons/nations/organisations who belive (I would say on rational grounds)that the overall suffering produced by MAINTAINING Saddams regime is to be far greater than would be the case if an attack on that regime was launched.
Ethically, it IS a problem invading another country. I do NOT say we, in the west, have a moral right of getting rid of any government that we find immoral. But in THIS case we must weigh the interests of the iraqi civilians, the neighbours of Iraq and the respect for UN (although not as a "world gvernment) etc. against Saddam Hussein´s mania for power, subjugation and conquest. We should ask this question: What do we, as a world community, really owe this guy?

Truthfiend


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