Skip to content or view mobile version

Home | Mobile | Editorial | Mission | Privacy | About | Contact | Help | Security | Support

A network of individuals, independent and alternative media activists and organisations, offering grassroots, non-corporate, non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues.

Striking Firemen Continue to Protect Public

wefes | 14.11.2002 15:42

These guys are fantastic; fighting for a decent level of pay, and they're still able to act in an emergency.

Deptford, south London, about 2pm. I went to a nearby fire station just to see what was happening and to offer any help and support I could. When I got there, the picket lines were deserted, although all the usual paraphernailia was in place (posters, heaters, tea, &c).
This puzzled me at first but then it became a bit clearer; I cant say for sure what had happened for there was nobody available to talk to, except to report that all the picketing firemen were attending some kind of accident which had occurred just along the road.
Do not believe the lies and propaganda; it is not true that firemen are making greedy demands and putting the public at risk. They are dedicated professionals who deserve a 100% pay rise in my opinion.

wefes

Comments

Hide the following 8 comments

that's nice but..

14.11.2002 16:52

doesn't doing your job kind of defeat the object of a strike? The strike isn't much of a political tool if it has no real effect.

It's a really difficult situation for emergency workers because they know that people will die if they strike. And the government knows this too and can exploit it to make the strikes ineffective.

I think the firefighters have to use the argument that the government is the employer so is responsible for both the conditions of the workers and ensuring that the job gets done. If the workers do not feel that their conditions are satisfactory, then it is not their responsibility to continue doing their jobs.

If it gets to the point that their job is intolerable then they quit. And then who is to blame when the job doesn't get done? The strike is a moderate version of quitting.

I just hope this strike isn't a repeat of the last firefighters' strike - which was long and failed.

jp


support the firefighters

15.11.2002 10:12

visit their website and send em a message of support:

union dinosaur
- Homepage: http://www.fbu.org.uk/pay2002/pay2002main.html


its up to workers to decide their own tactic

15.11.2002 10:17

if they want to give local emergency cover, or if they want to go all out, is entirely up to them. now the purported Labour regime is talking about actively breaking a future strike, they may wish to reconsider; whatever they decide, i wish them luck

gythuk


40 per cent is too big a pay demand!

15.11.2002 23:13

A forty per cent pay increase is way to big a pay demand there is no way that the firefighters will win or should win on this one. The 30,000 pounds a year which they are demanding and refusing to negotiate on is totally unreasonable, which any government left or right should refuse to agree to! It is one thing to demand a living wage, it is another to demand a rediculus sum and hold the country to ransom in an attempt to get it!

Even an extreme left wing government would refuse the firefighters on this. Remember the Kronstadt rebellion when a similar crisis faced the Bolshiviks in Russia!

Harlequin


o no, not KRONSTADT again

16.11.2002 14:04

just like basil fawlty, trying hard not to mention the war in front of german tourists, perhaps you know that whenever you find a sizable anarchist community,(like this website) never to mention the kronstadt without good reason!
in truth, the basis of the firemens demands is that the PARLIAMENT gave themselves precisely a payrise of similar magnitude; anyway, even if they never get it, the firemen are following a good anarchist principle (so i understand, for im more of a marxist myself) of "Be realistic: demand the impossible". whats wrong with that ?

gythuk


Sparty twat

16.11.2002 16:19

"anyway, even if they never get it, the firemen are following a good anarchist principle (so i understand, for im more of a marxist myself) of "Be realistic: demand the impossible". whats wrong with that ? "
What's wrong, you arrogant little sparty twat, is that innocent people will die and be maimed as a consequence...

Reality Check


Abuse

16.11.2002 19:29

No need to abuse ppl

gtr


Psychological war against the firefighters

17.11.2002 17:11


17/11/02


Ref UK Fire-fighters Dispute
Is the government waging a psychological war against the fire-fighters?Is it not time they stopped insulting good people and practiced what they preached.I presume that Mr Mandelson and Mr Prescott will be taking a wage cut to £6.50 per hour as it appears to be so reasonable.Is the New Labour Project little more than a party from which public sector workers are excluded.In which grandiose schemes are launched minute by minute and dross feed to the masses.Perhaps they could go and rest on their dented shields till they recover.Too much chatter is said to affect the brain.
Patrick

Patrick


Upcoming Coverage
View and post events
Upcoming Events UK
24th October, London: 2015 London Anarchist Bookfair
2nd - 8th November: Wrexham, Wales, UK & Everywhere: Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex. Cymraeg: Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru

Ongoing UK
Every Tuesday 6pm-8pm, Yorkshire: Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base More info: CAAB.

Every Tuesday, UK & worldwide: Counter Terror Tuesdays. Call the US Embassy nearest to you to protest Obama's Terror Tuesdays. More info here

Every day, London: Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy

Parliament Sq Protest: see topic page
Ongoing Global
Rossport, Ireland: see topic page
Israel-Palestine: Israel Indymedia | Palestine Indymedia
Oaxaca: Chiapas Indymedia
Regions
All Regions
Birmingham
Cambridge
Liverpool
London
Oxford
Sheffield
South Coast
Wales
World
Other Local IMCs
Bristol/South West
Nottingham
Scotland
Social Media
You can follow @ukindymedia on indy.im and Twitter. We are working on a Twitter policy. We do not use Facebook, and advise you not to either.
Support Us
We need help paying the bills for hosting this site, please consider supporting us financially.
Other Media Projects
Schnews
Dissident Island Radio
Corporate Watch
Media Lens
VisionOnTV
Earth First! Action Update
Earth First! Action Reports
Topics
All Topics
Afghanistan
Analysis
Animal Liberation
Anti-Nuclear
Anti-militarism
Anti-racism
Bio-technology
Climate Chaos
Culture
Ecology
Education
Energy Crisis
Fracking
Free Spaces
Gender
Globalisation
Health
History
Indymedia
Iraq
Migration
Ocean Defence
Other Press
Palestine
Policing
Public sector cuts
Repression
Social Struggles
Technology
Terror War
Workers' Movements
Zapatista
Major Reports
NATO 2014
G8 2013
Workfare
2011 Census Resistance
Occupy Everywhere
August Riots
Dale Farm
J30 Strike
Flotilla to Gaza
Mayday 2010
Tar Sands
G20 London Summit
University Occupations for Gaza
Guantanamo
Indymedia Server Seizure
COP15 Climate Summit 2009
Carmel Agrexco
G8 Japan 2008
SHAC
Stop Sequani
Stop RWB
Climate Camp 2008
Oaxaca Uprising
Rossport Solidarity
Smash EDO
SOCPA
Past Major Reports
Encrypted Page
You are viewing this page using an encrypted connection. If you bookmark this page or send its address in an email you might want to use the un-encrypted address of this page.
If you recieved a warning about an untrusted root certificate please install the CAcert root certificate, for more information see the security page.

Global IMC Network


www.indymedia.org

Projects
print
radio
satellite tv
video

Africa

Europe
antwerpen
armenia
athens
austria
barcelona
belarus
belgium
belgrade
brussels
bulgaria
calabria
croatia
cyprus
emilia-romagna
estrecho / madiaq
galiza
germany
grenoble
hungary
ireland
istanbul
italy
la plana
liege
liguria
lille
linksunten
lombardia
madrid
malta
marseille
nantes
napoli
netherlands
northern england
nottingham imc
paris/île-de-france
patras
piemonte
poland
portugal
roma
romania
russia
sardegna
scotland
sverige
switzerland
torun
toscana
ukraine
united kingdom
valencia

Latin America
argentina
bolivia
chiapas
chile
chile sur
cmi brasil
cmi sucre
colombia
ecuador
mexico
peru
puerto rico
qollasuyu
rosario
santiago
tijuana
uruguay
valparaiso
venezuela

Oceania
aotearoa
brisbane
burma
darwin
jakarta
manila
melbourne
perth
qc
sydney

South Asia
india


United States
arizona
arkansas
asheville
atlanta
Austin
binghamton
boston
buffalo
chicago
cleveland
colorado
columbus
dc
hawaii
houston
hudson mohawk
kansas city
la
madison
maine
miami
michigan
milwaukee
minneapolis/st. paul
new hampshire
new jersey
new mexico
new orleans
north carolina
north texas
nyc
oklahoma
philadelphia
pittsburgh
portland
richmond
rochester
rogue valley
saint louis
san diego
san francisco
san francisco bay area
santa barbara
santa cruz, ca
sarasota
seattle
tampa bay
united states
urbana-champaign
vermont
western mass
worcester

West Asia
Armenia
Beirut
Israel
Palestine

Topics
biotech

Process
fbi/legal updates
mailing lists
process & imc docs
tech