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Massive USA anti-war protests!

durruti | 19.01.2003 15:45

Massive anti-war protests in the USA Saturday 18th January

250,000 in Washington DC, 200,000 in San Fransisco, and thousends at smaller cities e.g. 1000 in San Diego. i dont know how to link but the DC and SF indymedia sites have links on the left of the home page... also most Canadians think the US is more of a threat to world peace than Iraq and a online poll on Time Europe has 80% (eighty!) of so far 220,000 online voters putting the USA as the biggest threat to world peace in 2003. This war plan has nothing to do with WMD ...i bet that Saddam has some hidden away ...as does every other country and power mad dictator in the planet...and in Saddams case sold to him by the US..Rumsfeld was involved in the 80's! It ,as it was with Afganistan,is purely to do with oil...Afganistan for the pipeline and Iraq for the reserves....the carbon fuels the americans and the west are burning and destroying the earths atmopsphere.. and why is Britain involved?...in the week the Times business section headlined that the North Sea oil Reserves are soon to be finished ,something like only 10% left of discovered and projected reserves, and when BP is complaing they have been cut out of a 'post saddam' iraq it is obvious that we are there not just coattailing Bush but to get our greedy chops into the oil too.. I have been thru many political things going back to the 70's, but this war and the opposition to it makes, for people who want to save the world, this year the most important for decades...get to the Feb 15th demo , and get out organising

durruti

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19.01.2003 15:58

..it also appears that the organising coalition in the US, A.N.S.W.E.R, is a front for a small stalinist group the World Workers Party, that supports not just Iraq but North Korea etc authoritarian anti working class scum that take over anti capitalist movements will end up destroying those progressive movements..they too must be organised against!

durruti


Who cares who is the organizer?

19.01.2003 16:24

who cares who the organizers are? If assorted Maoists or Trotskists are willing to prune their political agenda down to a clear broad-based antiwar message then all power to them. We need people willing to work very hard to create a broad democratic opposition to Bush/Blair, and if some of them manage to sustain themselves psychologically with the dream of a future revolution, who cares? What matters (as with the Trots who run Stop the War over here) is that they succeed in building the mass movement.

bloodfya


IAC is not "Stalinist"

19.01.2003 17:53

I find that anyone who has anything positive to say about the socialist system in the former Soviet Union is immediately labeled by some as a "Stalinist." Well, they had free medical care, free education through college, low-rent housing, guaranteed employment, etc. and what do they have now that the United States has imposed its "free market" paradise on them. The Russians have been reduced to a Third World vassal state of the US with all the problems of a Third World country like hunger, disease, prostitution, crime, high infant mortality, unemployment, poverty, etc.

Former Attorney General of the US Ramsey Clark is a member of the International Action Center and Answer. He is a very courageous and moral person, who has spoken out for years against the sanctions killing Iraqi children and the depleted uranium which has given them cancer and birth defects. I really don't think that he or other members of his organization are great admirers of Stalin.

During the 60s and 70s in the US, one of the favorite tactics of the CIA and FBI operations against the Black Panthers and American Indian Movement was to spread lies, gossip and internal dissention in these movements. Do you really believe they have given up on these very successful tactics against the growing movements today?

Gary Sudborough
mail e-mail: IconoclastGS@aol.com


and...

20.01.2003 09:36

...Ramsey Clark is heavily involved in the legal defence of Solbadan Milosevic, the epitome of a stalinist if ever there was one ie a murderous ultra-nationalist dictator.
Sure, the Soviet Union had a host of social benefits. So did (and does) the U.S. Hell, even Hitler probably provided a fair standard of living! But all these systems were built on the blood of millions. In the Soviet Union you had the gulags, murder of countless revolutionaries, food shortages, its all pretty well documented.
Therefore yes it is important if we allow our anti-war movement to be hijacked by the followers of one or other repressive model. We allow them to speak for us and we're fucked. To me, being anti-war is about for a world free of state repression wherever it comes from. After all, would you follow an anti-Saddam solidarity movement led supported by U.S. politicians? Of course not! History is full of examples of Leninists, stalinists, Islamists, so-called democrats and other authoritarians destroying their erstwhile allies in fighting fascism or whatever. The Workers World Party is hardly in such a position (!) but the principle is still the same. In the UK we got the same thing, groups like the WRP celebrating Saddam Husseins speeches on their front pages. The Stop the War Coalition shutting up Irani and Iraqi leftwing critics of Islamic fundamentalism in the name of unity.
Luckily here in the UK we have a direct action based peace movement which is traditionally autonomous of party political interests, and as elsewhere there is libertarian anti-capitalist movement of more recent origins which is also consistent in its opposition to all warmongers.

punkero


The truth is

20.01.2003 11:57

Demonstrations, direct action and petitions are not likely to have any impact on the imperialists that control the US and the UK. The only thing that will stop them is a military power on a par with them. That's why I back North Korea. I may not completely agree or understand their political culture, but North Korea is the only country which is forcing the US to back down. A line in the sand has been drawn at the 38th parallel, over which the US cannot tread. You must decide which side of the line you are on.

D


don't be stupid

21.02.2003 19:12

molosvic is not stalisnist
its like calling blair or bush a leninist
don't be stupid

mlm
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