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SWP DEFENDS LABOUR YET AGAIN

ya basta | 26.02.2003 16:13 | May Day 2003 | Sheffield

Report of anti-war meeting in Chesterfield

Anti-capitalists attended an anti-war Stop the War meeting in Chesterfield on Monday night - the SWP who control the local Stop the War had invited Paul Holmes MP the local Lib DEm MP and Councillor Paul Barry, the LAbour Mayor of Chesterfield, to speak from the platforem. Whilst the SWP were able to heckle and question Paul Holmes from the audience, when anti-capitalists dared to question the Labour Mayor about his membership of the pro-imperialist Labour Party goons from the SWP laid in to defend him, shouting "shut up" to those questioning this Labour crony.
Once again, the job of the SWP is to protect and defend Labour scum almost instinctively. Those of us fed up with the ongoing machinations of the Socialist Workers Party and their cynical exploitation of Stop the War - where membership recruitment and paper selling is everything - need to begin to get vocal, and propose imaginative and creative ideas to oppose the war effort. When it comes to direct action, the liberals in the SWP will only go so far as candlelit vigils and pointless pro-reformist activities.You will always see them pull away when the state is confronted or autonomous actions threaten the social order. The history of the SWP is well documented - the Schnews pamphlet on their control of Global Resistance being the latest in a number of libertarian critiques. Haven't we had enough of these social liberals, well-paid teachers and lecturers, friends of Labour, people who couldnt last five minutes down the Social - which many of us are used to. Liberals and defenders of Labour - out them and shame them. Let's take this struggle forward with real principled direct action against the war and against capitalism.

ya basta
- e-mail: nfbgaz@yahoo.co.uk
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stop moaning and do something then

26.02.2003 21:11

hey kids
I am pissed off with people like above moaning about people
who are trying to do something saying "its unfair there in control i cant get my say ,the must be facists" why dont you do something then instead of moan and complain .maybe if you got off yer arse and did somthing and recruit people to your cause ,if you have one .ITS whinging cunts like you
that will stop the anti capitialist movement from changing anything .
I am in the swp iam not a lecturer dont have a degree ,out of work last 3 jobs minimum wage .I dont do as i am told am
not blinded by faith or dogma .I do belive groups working together is the only way to change things not isolated crap.

alvin stardust
mail e-mail: mychocachoo@flaresareus


Hey ho, Let's go!

27.02.2003 09:30

For those of you who think that taking action is more effective than lobbying your MP check out the Anti-war section of the SchNEWS website, personally i think its a lot better presented than the Stop the War Coalition website.

It's a shame that the Stop the War Coalition don't have the Fairford and Menwith Hill demos on 22nd March on their front page. If we could get just a small fraction of the people who went on the 15th Feb to Fairford and Menwith then we could really have an impact on the operating of those bases.

Miss Point
- Homepage: http://www.schnews.org.uk/stopwar


here we go again

27.02.2003 12:18

So its the evil SWP again,

You seem to miss out saying what you were actually heckling the Labour guy about.

Sonic


the SWP must be disarmed!

27.02.2003 13:39

Surely after thirty years of refusing to dissolve in the face of disapproval from pure-and-true revolutionaries, it's now time for the SWP to be disarmed by force?

These dangerous people have no respect for internationally understood and long-accepted codes of sectarian behaviour; they insist on engaging in mass actions and united fronts that threaten the stability and predictability of the whole anti-capitalist region; they have known links to Muslim fundamentalists (they even have Muslim members!); and they possess Papers and Placards of Mass Recruitment!

Down with Leninist Muslim Nazis! Regime change now! Support military intervention against the SWP!

a nonny mouse


I have to disagree Nonny

27.02.2003 14:34

Surely war is not yet the answer, perhaps crack teams of inspectors from Anarchist and small lefty groups can be sent into SWP branches to stop this sort of behaviour.

I am sure a few well aimed CPGB speeches at every event can ensure that no-one else will ever get involved with these mass actions and we can all go back to meeting in our respective phone boxes.

Sonic


we are doing things idiots

27.02.2003 16:19

the reactions to my original posting are quite shameful and nasty. where did i call the SWP nazis!? Ridiculous, but we have long noticed that you are past debate and discussion.I repeat that the SWP defends reformists from leftwing attack and is used to doing it - how can we criticise the SWP for exploiting the Globalise Resistance/anticapitalist struggle but let them off scot free re Stop the War. Are people half asleep. Do not presume that all those on the historic march were holding Socialist Worker placards - as if it's your mass movement indeed! - there was and always will be anarchists, greens, independent leftists, ecowarriors, animal rights activists, anticapitalists, new social movements who will always be a stronger, more principled and optimistic contingent. As long as the SWP continues to defend Labour MPs and Mayors it has little or nothing to contribute to the real struggles ahead. Keep selling the bloody paper comrades!

ya basta


not allowed to heckle fucking Labour?

27.02.2003 16:28

hey Sonic,

Do we really have to explain why a Labour Mayor is worth heckling?

Perhaps because this is a Labor Government ; perhaps because the Labour Party is a party fit for imperialism?; perhaps because of Vietnam, Ireland, Suez, Oman, Israel, Kosovo, India, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc ?

Or is it just Tony Blair and George Bush?

American imperialism BAD British Imperialism GOOD

George Orwell would be proud of you little revolutionaries!

ya basta


Hey Nonny No

28.02.2003 09:23

Hey Nonny,

I'd love to know which SWP you're talking about - I wasn't aware there was a non-sectarian one. I only knew about the one that seeks to hegemonise every movement it becomes involved with, that seeks to exclude critics of its stances from those movements and then slanders those who it has excluded. But hey, I guess it's just a matter of perspective eh?

Yeesh...

Joss

Joss


Ya Basta

28.02.2003 10:13

"Do we really have to explain why a Labour Mayor is worth heckling?"

I asked what you were heckling him about, a reasonable question if I anm to understand if people were justified in telling the heckler to sit down.

Sonic


confused again

28.02.2003 17:31

Joss says the SWPies are wrong because they 'exclude critics of its stances from those movements'.

But I thought the point of this thread was that the SWP are wrong because they haven't excluded Labour people, and we think they should?

Am I missing something?

confused


Labour-loving hypocrites

28.02.2003 18:44

This is typical of the SWP. They will heckle a Lib Dem MP who is from a party that is not in government and is not going to wage war and opposes the war (well, at least for the moment while it isn't supported by the UN). But then they'll defend an MP from the governing party which is preparing to wage the war. I'm not saying I'm a fan of the Lib Dems, but the Labourites are worse.

The SWP and its supporters takes a very self-rightous attitude: We are the movement, everyone who disagrees with us is just a sectarian who moans from the sidelines. We can dismiss everyone we don't like as a useless sectarian, exclude them, stop them from speaking etc and if they dare to criticise the politics and methods of the SWP then that just proves how bad they are. But this is not true, there are plenty of other people active whether they are Schnews, Revolutionary Communist Group etc. Of course no-one else has the resources or the publicity of the alliances formed by the people like Labour/SWP and co but that doesn't mean they aren't doing stuff.

Also we must remember that with these advantages organisations like the STWC have been able to mobilise many people, but never in history has this strategy led to real change or revolution. We must also remember that whenever a revolutionary movement has formed it has only come about after struggle between different trends and the victory of the correct policies over the incorrect ones.

?


Labour-loving hypocrites

28.02.2003 18:44

This is typical of the SWP. They will heckle a Lib Dem MP who is from a party that is not in government and is not going to wage war and opposes the war (well, at least for the moment while it isn't supported by the UN). But then they'll defend an MP from the governing party which is preparing to wage the war. I'm not saying I'm a fan of the Lib Dems, but the Labourites are worse.

The SWP and its supporters takes a very self-rightous attitude: We are the movement, everyone who disagrees with us is just a sectarian who moans from the sidelines. We can dismiss everyone we don't like as a useless sectarian, exclude them, stop them from speaking etc and if they dare to criticise the politics and methods of the SWP then that just proves how bad they are. But this is not true, there are plenty of other people active whether they are Schnews, Revolutionary Communist Group etc. Of course no-one else has the resources or the publicity of the alliances formed by the people like Labour/SWP and co but that doesn't mean they aren't doing stuff.

Also we must remember that with these advantages organisations like the STWC have been able to mobilise many people, but never in history has this strategy led to real change or revolution. We must also remember that whenever a revolutionary movement has formed it has only come about after struggle between different trends and the victory of the correct policies over the incorrect ones.

?


just making sure

23.06.2003 12:28

I just want to make sure that the swp doesnt get creidt where it is not deserved. The most succesfull demonstration was the feb 15th one and that was a european social forum thing not swp.
The swp are basicly old labour, same policies, same leaders and still totaly useless. For all those that say "stop that anarchist moaning and do something" the fact is that the swp have done next to nothing and the anarchist have done alot more in the form of direct action and such like. It is swp policy to have every attached to government and they refuse to see the fact that governments have only ever protected big corporations.
By the way the reason that they defend the labour types is because they are a lobby group nothing more nothing less. I better shut up now before they cry government agent or splitter.
peace
Ernest

Ernest
mail e-mail: shakleton_7@hotmail.com


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