Many people have been proposing that from now on, 4th of July should become Indpedendence FROM America Day.

We could make it similar to Buy Nothing Day and encourage boycotts and pickets of US stores etc.

Of course boycotting US corporations (and for that matter any/all unethical trade) should be something we try to encourage every day, but using the 4th of july is a good focus.

I was thinking of a 'NO EMPRIE' day on 4th July, i don't know about buring all flags, we should rather put our flags up and burn theirs to show we want to be us, free, by ourselves without their empire.

maybe 4th July 'NO EMPIRE DAY'

seriously though we should organise this and make it an international event, a day against the empire

any other ideas.thoughts?

This should be a campaign against a political power, not a people. And it should not be just about America. The way the French and Belgians have behaved in Africa in recent years - fuelling the Hutu-Tutsi genocide, for instance - should make them a target for flag burning. It should be a campaign against Western nationalism and its employers, the corporate elites. But as America is at the head of the pile, the Fourth of July should be the day for flag burning.

Burn all emblems of state power.A flag is only a piece of rag on a stick.Humanity should unite and live with each other in peace.One flag should be enough the red flag of all joint nations living for the benifit of each other.

well i thought what this message was missing were some anarchists, thankfully they came on due course.

I'm not patriotic to UK flag, or Italian flag, i'm patriotic to no flag, its just a bit of cloth, with the obvious brainwashed nationalism behind it.

One people, i agree, so not one red flag, no flag.

i'm proud of my own history, culture etc (i'm not orignally from UK) but i agree the flag also carries every symbolism of a country/state/power with it.

Still flags do have some value, what about the anti-war flags?

Flags are symbolic of nation states, the method by which the world is divided and wars are fought. Culture is something different. I find great strength in England's culture of dissent, including the Levellers, Diggers, Quakers, Chartists, Suffragettes, Anti-Poll Tax campaigns and Reclaim the Streets. This is my cultural heritage, not some family of inbreds whose ancesters stole common land, not the tanks and guns and jingoism of the military elite and not some flag born of global domination and the subjugation of the poor and dispossessed.

Burn the flag and burn the state!

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Anti-war shopkeepers in Pakistan say they will boycott American goods

More than 1,000 demonstrators in a Pakistani city have burned US and British flags, and shopkeepers said they will boycott American products to protest the war in Iraq.

Effigies of US President George Bush and Tony Blair went up in flames during the demonstration in Multan, 400 miles south of Islamabad.

Traffic was halted as the protesters, mostly shopkeepers and traders, blocked Multan's busy Kumaranwala square for an hour.

Leaders of several trade organisations say they will stop selling US-made products. On Thursday, they plan to begin a "siege" of the local franchise of KFC restaurant, a symbol of the American business culture in this city of 1.8 million people.

"We will protest so that the US-licensed KFC is closed," said Abid Pirzada, representing the shop owners near Kumaranwala Square. "We boycott products by the terrorist America and its allies."

Meanwhile in Bahrain about 400 people have held an anti-war sit-in outside the US Embassy in Manama on Wednesday, chanting "Down, Down, USA," and "No blood for oil."

More than 100 Bahraini riot police watched the protesters, who also burned a British flag.

Elsewhere, 30 Syrian, Palestinian and Iraqi women staged an anti-war sit-in front of the offices of the Red Cross in Damascus, the Syrian capital.

A day earlier, an estimated 500,000 anti-war demonstrators had marched through the streets of Damascus in the Mideast's largest organised protests since the Iraq war began.

dont forget the Australian flag as well

Brilliant! Burn the flags, the idealism of a nation as one, no matter what gender,race or religion. Not the best thing to destroy, as a flag should represent a number of individuals coming together as a people.

Sorry but as far as fighting for justice, we shouldn't be burning flags as all that serves is to raise racial tension between one nation and another. Instead we should fight the organisations that opress people and fail to spread wealth that could easily feed the world.

I'm just saying that a nation is a system of bringing people together and should be defended. Additional, superior unions should be encouraged - such as the european union,and any other collection of previously warring states(because who wants a world war III?).

Keep the flags,burn destructive capitalism

That last article about pakistan,

Wonderful that they are fighting for injustice. But where were they when thousands of kurds were being persecuted and killed? I'm in favour of the war in iraq as it is more likely to bring a decent standard of living than the previous dictator would bring. Its basically america and england reversing the mistakes they made when they brought Hussain to power - as terrible it is that they will profit from the situation.

But the time to protest was 10-20yrs ago,this was the time when the allied forces really messed around these people. But the problem is that unless it's something as sensational as war people arent interested - I'll ask all these antiwar protestors where they were when there were sanctions leading to many people dying?