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PROTESTS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE

REDKOP | 09.04.2003 14:54

ALL THE PROTESTS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.

All the protests over the past weeks have not made the slightest difference to the killing of the Iraqi people.Why do you protesters carry on with your futile attempts to stop the war? Cannot you understand that the prolatariate revolution is the only way to stop the ruling plutocracy.All other none violent protest makes not the slightest difference!

REDKOP

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09.04.2003 15:07

But it does, it shows the amount of people prepared to create a 'revolution'
As an anarchist i would say that it is very important that everyone gets a say, how will you bring about a revolution without anyone participating, o yes thats right, through control and repression like commies always do....

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Yeah!

09.04.2003 15:09

Yeah put postings on websites.. You're going too get nicked... and i'll be laughing!

Redknob


fight back against the 'bullies'

09.04.2003 16:10

When you were in school were you ever bullied? I bet if you were, at the time you just let it happen because you felt it was easier that way, and I bet for years afterwards you had fantasies of what you could have done or could have said at the time but were too afraid. Well, the power hungry capitalist government that is pushing us around at the moment are the 'bullies' & whilst you are at home fantasizing about a peaceful planet we will be out there fighting for one, whether or not it is making a difference is a matter of opinion, if walking down the street with an anti-war banner contributes towards changing the opinion of only one person then it is worth it. Anti-war protest sceptics only make it harder for us to put our message out there, so if you think 'NO WAR', then bloody well shout 'NO WAR!!!!'

gary
mail e-mail: assasinatebush@yahoo.co.uk


hmmmm

09.04.2003 16:17

The protests against the war have done many things including creating a global sense of solidarity, making the civillian casualties a much bigger focus and giving many people their first experience of demonstrating and engaging in civil disobedience - including the younger schoolkids - pointless? NEVER.

dastreetz


circular arguement

09.04.2003 17:50

you have commented on the protests, therefore the action of the protests engendered a further action (your comment) ergo you have just defeated your own arguement-
fuckwit

does not compute


no they are good

09.04.2003 18:33

A movement huge enough to stop a war or build a better world won't appear overnight. This anti-war movement was huge and it will have helped change the opinions of many people, and made sure our views weren't QUITE so marginalised and brushed aside by the BBC. Every extra person that becomes anti-war means more chance of some of those reading up and becoming anti-capitalism, and thats whole a big anti-capitalism movement will eventually develop probably- by people just getting more and more drawn in from different things, not random postings shouting about revolution.

hj


Commies - no thanks

10.04.2003 00:55

I'm 24 years old and this is the first thing I have protested against. In just a few weeks I have gone from being a tory supporter to actually reading up on what is going on in the world and having a completely altered view.

However, I would never have bothered if the whole anti-war movement was run by people calling for a communist revolution seeing as how communist nations are some of the most oppresive on earth.

Right from the start I realised that protesting would not change what was happening but while I am joining in the protests I am getting to learn new things about politics and the world, getting angrier and gathering courage to someday actually take some action.

Revolution may well be the only way to rid this country of our ignorant prime minister, but can you really see the people of Britain taking the shafting that comes from living in a communist state?

Jim


Thank You Mr George W Bush

10.04.2003 01:49

-thought you would all like this (if you've never read a P.Coelho book then please do!)

Thank you, President Bush
Paulo Coelho 11.3.03
From the world's most popular novelist, Paulo Coelho, an open letter
of praise for President Bush.


Thank you, great leader George W. Bush.
Thank you for showing everyone what a danger Saddam Hussein
represents. Many of us might otherwise have forgotten that he used
chemical weapons against his own people, against the Kurds and
against the Iranians. Hussein is a bloodthirsty dictator and one of
the clearest expressions of evil in today's world. But this is not my
only reason for thanking you. During the first two months of 2003,
you have shown the world a great many other important things and,
therefore, deserve my gratitude. So, remembering a poem I learned as
a child, I want to say thank you. Thank you for showing everyone that
the Turkish people and their parliament are not for sale, not even
for 26 billion dollars. Thank you for revealing to the world the gulf
that exists between the decisions made by those in power and the
wishes of the people. Thank you for making it clear that neither José
María Aznar nor Tony Blair give the slightest weight to or show the
slightest respect for the votes they received. Aznar is perfectly
capable of ignoring the fact that 90% of Spaniards are against the
war, and Blair is unmoved by the largest public demonstration to take
place in England in the last thirty years. Thank you for making it
necessary for Tony Blair to go to the British parliament with a
fabricated dossier written by a student ten years ago, and present
this as `damning evidence collected by the British Secret Service'.
Thank you for allowing Colin Powell to make a complete fool of
himself by showing the UN Security Council photos which, one week
later, were publicly challenged by Hans Blix, the chief weapons
inspector in Iraq. Thank you for adopting your current position and
thus ensuring that, at the plenary session, the French foreign
minister, Dominique de Villepin's anti-war speech was greeted with
applause – something, as far as I know, that has only happened once
before in the history of the UN, following a speech by Nelson
Mandela. Thank you too, because, after all your efforts to promote
war, the normally divided Arab nations were, for the first time, at
their meeting in Cairo during the last week in February, unanimous in
their condemnation of any invasion. Thank you for your rhetoric
stating that `the UN now has a chance to demonstrate its relevance',
a statement which made even the most reluctant countries take up a
position opposing any attack on Iraq. Thank you for your foreign
policy which provoked the British foreign secretary, Jack Straw, into
declaring that in the 21st century, `a war can have a moral
justification', thus causing him to lose all credibility. Thank you
for trying to divide a Europe that is currently struggling for
unification; this was a warning that will not go unheeded. Thank you
for having achieved something that very few have so far managed to do
in this century: the bringing together of millions of people on all
continents to fight for the same idea, even though that idea is
opposed to yours. Thank you for making us feel once more that though
our words may not be heard, they are at least spoken – this will make
us stronger in the future. Thank you for ignoring us, for
marginalising all those who oppose your decision, because the future
of the Earth belongs to the excluded. Thank you, because, without
you, we would not have realised our own ability to mobilise. It may
serve no purpose this time, but it will doubtless be useful later on.
Now that there seems no way of silencing the drums of war, I would
like to say, as an ancient European king said to an invader: `May
your morning be a beautiful one, may the sun shine on your soldiers'
armour, for in the afternoon, I will defeat you.' Thank you for
allowing us – an army of anonymous people filling the streets in an
attempt to stop a process that is already underway – to know what it
feels like to be powerless and to learn to grapple with that feeling
and transform it. So, enjoy your morning and whatever glory it may
yet bring you. Thank you for not listening to us and not taking us
seriously, but know that we are listening to you and that we will not
forget your words. Thank you, great leader George W. Bush. Thank you
very much.

GaRy
mail e-mail: assasinatebush@yahoo.co.uk


Have we saved any babies

10.04.2003 08:46

No, have we stopped a war no... sent a message, gathered a resorce, educated, drawn strength and discussed yes...what you fail to understand is that we knew there was never any option to war, thats why we demonstrate, Why is their never any option to war? every ten years or so another war...we demonstrate because our opinions are not counted by those who rule...if green peace did not demonstrate would the world still be in love with nucleur power, would our rivers be irriparably damaged by toxic pollution... they managed to do this through education. The demponstations were a side show... did you think before you wrote? there you see it worked, now get some education!

jon wood


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