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zionisms hidden history- how "israel" was created

don | 24.04.2003 01:30

The following article (3160 words!) was published in the Hebrew daily Ha'ir on 6 May 1992. It contains new revelations about war crimes committed by the Zionist forces in 1948 against Palestinian Arabs.

ZIONIST MASSACRES IN 1948: New evidence


There are a number of reasons why the publication of this information is important:


It shows once more and through the pen of Israeli historians what motivated the Palestinian Arabs to flee in 1948.


It shows how the Zionist establishment has attempted and still attempts to hide the truth about the massacres of Palestinians in the 1948 War.


It exposes the fallacy according to which it was mainly right-wing Zionists (the terrorist groups IZL and LEHI led by Menahem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir) who committed atrocities against Palestinian Arabs in 1948. In fact, most atrocities and massacres were committed by 'nice Jewish boys and girls', from the Labour movement, may of whom grew up in kibbutzim in a humanist environment.


It exposes the myth, entertained in the West, according to which Israel's practices towards Palestinians worsened when the right-wing Likud came to power.


It documents the development of a growing awareness among Israeli intellectuals of the need to face the past with honesty. This is a rather recent and salutary phenomenon.


An appendix to the article includes summary descriptions of some other massacres (published along [with] the article in Ha'ir).

Elias Davidsson translated from Hebrew and added some explanatory notes .


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NOT ONLY DEIR YASSIN


By Guy Erlich, Ha'ir, 6 May 1992

After Lydda (1) gave up the fight, a group of stubborn Arab fighters barricated themselves in the small mosque. The commander of the Palmach's(2) 3d Battalion, Moshe Kalman, gave an order to fire a number of blasts towards the mosque. The soldiers who forced their way into the mosque were surprised to find no resistance. On the walls of the mosque they found the remains of the Arab fighters. A group of between twenty to fifty Arab inhabitants was brought to clean up the mosque and bury the remains. After they finished their work, they were also shot into the graves they dug.


The Jewish American journalist Dan Kurtzman, heard this testimony from Moshe Kalman, who has meanwhile died, while he was writing his book 'In the Beginning 1948 (Bereshit 1948)' about the War of Independence. As Kurtzman did not want to hurt the State of Israel, he did not include this testimony, but told this story to Israeli historian Aryeh Yitzhaki, when they met in the IDF archives, when Kurtzman was there working on his book. Kurtzman, who is now visiting Israel in connection with his new book (incidentally, these days a new edition of his older book is coming out), confirmed - after some hesitation - that he heard this testimony from Moshe Kalman.

Since its establishment, the State of Israel keeps a conspiracy of silence concerning massacres committed in the War of Independence (4). The only massacre acknowledged in official publications is that of Deir Yassin, perhaps because it was perpetrated by the IZL (Irgun). Books and press reports have referred to dozens of cases, but only partially and incompletely. Yitzhaki corroborates this impression: 'I read all the documents in the IDF archives written about the War of Independence. In the course of years I became especially alert to anything concerning the massacres.' Yitzhaki is a lecturer in the Bar Ilan University [Tel Aviv] in the Faculty of Eretz Yisrael Studies (5) and is also senior lecturer in the field of military history in IDF courses for officers. In the sixties he served as director of the IDF archives within the framework of his IDF service in his capacity as historian.

Yitzhaki assembled all the testimonies and documents concerning the subject matter and waited for the right time to publish. 'The time has come' he says, 'for a generation has passed, and it is now possible to face the ocean of lies (6) in which we were brought up. In almost every conquered village in the War of Independence, acts were committed, which are defined as war crimes, such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes. I believe that such things end by surfacing. The only question is how to face such evidence.'

According to Yitzhaki, about ten major massacres were committed in the course of the War of Independence (i.e. more than fifty victims in each massacre) and about hundred smaller massacres (of individuals or small groups). According to him, these massacres had an enormous impact on the Arab population, by inducing their [flight] from the country.

Yitzhaki: 'For many Israelis it was easier to find consolation in the lie, that the Arabs left the country under orders from their leaders. This is an absolute fabrication. The fundamental cause of their flight was their fear from Israeli retribution and this fear was not at all imaginary. From almost each report in the IDF archives concerning the conquest of Arab villages between May and July 1948 - when clashes with Arab villagers were the fiercest - a smell of massacre emanates. Sometimes the report tells about blatant massacres which were committed after the battle, sometimes the massacres are committed in the heat of battle and while the villages are "cleansed". Some of my colleagues, such as Me'ir Pa'il, don't consider such acts as massacres. In my opinion there is no other term for such acts than massacres. This was at the time the rule of the game. It was a dirty war on both sides. This phenomenon spread out in the field; there were no explicite orders to exterminate. In the first phase a village was usually subjected to heavy artillery from distance. Then soldiers would assault the village. After giving up resistance, the Arab fighters would withdraw while attempting to snipe at the advancing forces. Some would not flee and would remain in the village, mainly women and old people. In the course of cleansing we used to hit them. One was 'tailing the fugitives', as it used to be called ('mezanvim baborchim'). There was no established battle procedure as today, namely that when blowing up a house, one has first to check whether civilians are still inside. In a typical battle report about the conquest of a village we find: 'We cleansed a village, shot in any direction where resistance was noticed. After the resistance ended, we also had to shoot people so that they would leave or who looked dangerous'.

The historian Uri Milstein, a myth-shatterer, corroborates Yitzhaki's assessment regarding the massacres' extent and goes even further. 'If Yitzhaki claims that almost in every village there were murders, then I maintain that even before the establishment of the State, each battle ended with a massacre. In all Israel's wars massacres were committed but I have no doubt that the War of Independence was the dirtiest of them all. All over the world, massacres constitute an integral part of the norm of war and it is in fact the fundamental basis of human conduct in a situation of battle. The idea behind a massacre is to inflict a shock on the enemy, to paralyze the enemy. In the War of Independence everybody massacred everybody, but most of the action happened between Jews and Palestinians.'

Milstein adds: 'In my opinion, the regular armies of Arab states were less barbaric than the Jews and the Palestinians. Until the entry into the battle of the Arab armies, the concept of taking prisoners was unknown. The regular armies, especially that of Jordan and Egypt, were the first in the region who did not kill prisoners, as a matter of principle. Not that they were exceptional, but they killed the least of all, relatively speaking. The Jordanian Legion even succeeded to stop Palestinians of massacring Jews in Gush Etzion, at least in a part of this area. The education in the Yishuv (7) at that time had it that the Arabs would do anything to kill us and therefore we had to massacre them. A substantial part of the Jewish public was convinced that the most cherished wish of say, a nine-year old Arab child, was to exterminate us. This belief bordered on paranoia.'

A careful study reveals that until today over twenty massacres were publicly reported. The testimonies were not published in one collection, a fact which adds to this phenomenon another dimension. At least eight massacres were described by Benny Morris in his book 'The Birth of the Palestine Refugee Problem'. Two cases were reported in Milstein's books. Two cases are reported in the book of Palestinian historian Arif al-Arif. The rest were reported in novels, memories and the press. But it appears that at least eight more massacres were committed which are reported here for the first time. Two of them were discovered by Yitzhaki, three by Milstein, one case was revealed by Kurtzman and was presented in the introduction to this reportage. One case was brought to our knowledge by a kibbutz member who wishes to remain anonymous and one more case was revealed by Dov Yirmiya.

The testimonies concerning the massacres, revealed here for the first time by Yitzhaki, are kept in the IDF archives. Those who wish to study the documents in question confront a blank refusal. The director, Miki Kaufman: 'If you are looking for what I believe you are looking for, then you canforget it. In any case, just keep in mind that we are reading over any documents before you are allowed to see them and we cull out material that you should not see'.

A person who already had to face this barrage is Benny Morris. He addressed himself to the State Archivist to get a report by the government-nominated Shapira Committee, on killings in the War of Independence, but his request was denied.
'The Archivist refused to let me see the report and I went then to the Supreme Court. According to the [State] Archives Law (1953), access is open to documents concerning [government] policies and political matters after 30 years and documents related to security matters after 50 years. As the report by the Shapira committee is a political document issued by the Ministry of Justice, it was to be accessible by the public. But after I entered my request to the State Archivist and to the courts, the State Prosecutor and the Archivist made me a trick. It appeared that by convening a special meeting of at least two Cabinet members - in this case Arens and Sharir - it was possible to extend indefinitely the classified status of any archived document by arguing that disclosure might endanger state security. The meeting was duly convened and the document was reclassified (...)'

But Yitzhaki kept the testimonies. The first case he presents happened in Tel Gezer. A soldier of the the Kiryati Brigade (...) testifies that his colleagues got hold of ten Arab men and two Arab women, a young one and and an old one. All the men were murdered. The young woman was raped and her destiny was unknown. The old woman was murdered. Yitzhaki tells that he discovered the testimony in a specific folder containing testimonies from Guard Units (Kheil Mishmar) in the IDF archives. Later he also obtained an oral testimony about this event from a person who wished to remain anonymous.

Another case happened in Ashdod. Towards the end of August 1948, the Giv'ati Brigade executed the 'Cleansing Campaign' (Mivtza Nikayon) in Ashdod's dunes. This happened after the forced landing of an Israeli plane in the area and the killing of his eight passengers by locals. A company of mounted cavalry, jeeps and Giv'ati fighters went to comb the area. In the course of this action, and according to a conservative estimate, ten farmers ('fellahin') were murdered. Yitzahki says that evidence about that can be found in the campaign chronicle of Giv'ati in the IDF archives and in the second chapter of the book on the Giv'ati Brigade.
'Apart from these cases', says Yitzhaki, 'there are more cases described in IDF's archives, but I don't want to disclose them at this stage. I will yet write a book.'

The historian Uri Milstein presented in his book series 'The History of the War of Independence' a number of massacres. Three more cases came to his knowledge after he finished writing. One case happened in Ayn Zaytoon. According to Milstein two massacres happened there in addition to the case described by Netiva Ben Yehuda in her book 'Within the Bounds' (mibe'ad la'avutot). Milstein possesses a testimony from a soldier named Aharon Yo'eli: 'Three men from Safad came to Ayn Zaytoon, they took 23 Arabs, told them they were murderers and gangsters, took from them their watches and put them in their pockets, led them over the hills and killed them. This was the revenge of the Jews of Safad. I understood that our commanders were looking for additional killers to execute such jobs. Not everybody in Safad was a hassid [strictly observing Jew]. In my opinion this was not the execution of prisoners but the killing of Arab murderers. The rest were expelled in the direction of the Germak that same evening and to make them go fast, we shot at them.' The second case was reported to Milstein by a soldier named Yitzhak Golan, as he referred to thirty prisoners who were brought to interrogation in Har Kna'an: 'The men of the Intelligence Unit interrogated them and after the interrogation the question came up what to do with them. We were told to take them down to the Rosh Pina police station. On the way they attempted to escape so we shot at them. There was no alternative. The danger was that they might reach Safad and would tell there how few weapons and manpower we had. It is possible that they were killed chained. Next morning a platoon was sent to bury them'.

Another case happened in Caesarea. In February 1948 the Fourth Batallion of the Palmach forces, under the command of Josef Tabenkin (8), conquered Caesarea. According to Milstein, all those who did not escape from the village were killed. Milstein gleaned testimonies about this fact from fighters who participated in the conquest.

A member of Kibbutz Be'eri, who was assigned to the the Guard Milices for a short time, reveals another unpublished case about the murder of an Arab soldier: 'We were in the strong point in the Wadi Ara area, near Giv'at Ada. Not far away was a post of Palestinians who fired from time to time at us. One night we raided their post and brought back a prisoner for interrogation. One of the soldiers of the Guard Milices took the prisoner after interrogation, beheaded him and with a knife scalped the head. No one present tried to stop him. He then tied the skin to a high pole facing the Palestinian post to inspire a deadly fear among the Palestinians. This soldier was later brought to the batallion commander for trial.'

On 20 May 1948 the Karmeli Brigade conquered the village Kabri. Dov Yirmiya, who was a company commander in the 21th batallion, tells: 'Kabri was conquered without a fight. Almost all inhabitants fled. One of the soldiers, Yehuda Reshef, who was together with his brother among the few rescapees from the Yehi'am convoy, got hold of a few youngsters who did not escape, probably seven, ordered them to fill up some ditches digged as an obstacle and then lined them up and fired at them with a machine gun. A few died but some of the wounded succeeded to escape. The batallion commander did not react. Reshef was a brave fighter and as a rescapee from the Yehi'am convoy, enjoyed special status in the batallion. He advanced later to the grade of Brigadier General. He justified his action as an act of revenge.'
'When the action ended, we left, namely the batallion commander Dov Tschitchiss, Education Officer Tzadok Eshel, the driver and myself. We drove over fields to Nahariya. While driving we saw refugees escaping to the North. The batallion commander ordered the driver to stop and went with the driver and the Education Officer to chase an Arab who was escaping with a girl eight or nine years old. I heard shots and had scarcely the time to understand what happened. When they returned, the batallion commander declared: We killed them. I asked: The girl too? And he answered to me: No, no, we did not kill the girl'.

The Education Officer, Tzadok Eshel, has already forgotten about the episode. 'In our Carmeli Brigade', he said, 'we did not commit massacres. I can tell you about the massacre that the IZL people did in Haifa. It was typical for the IZL and the LEHI, not to us. It was totally outside our way of thinking. There was the case of an officer who wanted to loot a village but they did not allow him.' After hearing the testimony of Yermiya, Eshel changed his version: 'Did I tell you about this case, no?...Probably I forgot...Yes, there was in fact one case where we drove in a jeep and an officer, I don't remember who, but I don't think it was the batallion commander, wanted to shoot down an Arab with a girl. I told him that if he will fire at them, I will shoot at him. When we returned to the jeep I felt good that I succeeded to stop such a thing.' - Yirmiya, in his testomony mentions [however] shots', -'I don't at all remember that I was in the jeep. I was in the area. I tell you, you better leave these things. There were no such things.'


Notes by Elias Davidsson
Lydda: An Arabic town between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Most of its inhabitants were expelled in 1948 under written orders by Yitzhak Rabin.


Palmach: Shock troups of the Labour-controlled Hagana forces.


IDF: Israel Defense Forces.


The War of Independence is the name given by Zionists. The Palestinian Arab call this war the Naqba (The Tragedy). Less loaded names might be The First Zionist-Palestinian War, or the War of 1947-1948.


Eretz Yisrael: The Hebrew name for the area of Mandatory Palestine (from the Jordan to the Mediterranean sea).


One of the most potent lies, disseminated in the whole world, was that the Palestinian Arabs left their homes under explicit orders by Arab leaders outside Palestine. There is no evidence for this claim, but it has served Israel very well for at least 15 years after its establishment, especially in the West.


Yishuv: Jewish society in Mandatory Palestine.


One of the leadesr of the leftist Zionist Ahdut Avoda movement.

don

Comments

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Not all bad

24.04.2003 07:24

I have been very critical recently of zionists and the jewish communities for blindly supporting Israel.
I feel vey strongly about it, so I started to investigate every thing jewish. There are lots of jewish groups and even zionists who are against the oppression of the Palestinians.
This lot seem to be cool completely different from the extremists of the ZOA for example..

I intend to produce a "road map" of good an bad jewish organisations ... should be an amuser..

 http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp

Courage to Refuse - Combatant's Letter

We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and
that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF’s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel’s defense.
The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose – and we shall take no part

ooook


thanks

24.04.2003 07:24

Thanks for the article and info.

But do not know where you here of lies about External Arabs ordering Palestinians out! Very amusing and probably it goes with where you hang around.

What is missing here is the Snaky piggy role played by Britain all through this.
What is worth looking up are the national Brithish pig papers which were referrign to the mentioned groups and Haganah etc, as Jewish terrorists....blowing British troops up etc.

But the public record office has secret documents if they were ever properly kept. Archivist always make tricks. Maybe a bit too blatant in Israel.

The British contributed a lot towards the exodus of the Palestinians too.

ram


Facts

24.04.2003 14:46

Over the past two years, we've seen what the Palestinians have done with the autonomy generously granted to them by Israel.

They've slaughtered Israeli grandmothers and toddlers, pregnant women and elderly rabbis. They've set off their nail-studded, rat poison-laced bombs in shopping malls, disco's, pizzeria's, cafe's and university cafeterias.
They've turned school buses into blazing infernos, invaded home and shot mothers and children in their beds. They've dragged 13-year-old boys to caves and stoned them to death.

Those who don't actually pull the triggers, detonate the bombs or do the stoning, celebrate the atrocities in the streets of Ramallah and Jenin, as they danced in those same streets when other Arabs crashed two planes into the World Trade Center. These sadists even built an exhibition celebrating the Sbarros massacre.

When do you think the Arabs will realize, that murdering Israeli pizza-eaters, dance-club people, school kids, teenagers and sleeping five-year-olds is barbaric.

Do these Arabs have any humanity.

It is becoming increasingly obvious, that the followers of Muhammed are not human beings.

Somewhere a "Palestinian" watches the BBC and sees a kibbutz, called Metzer, which is getting along with its nearby Arab villages. This cannot be permitted to continue, so two attacks are planned against the place in one day. The first is foiled but the second does the trick. The terrorist bursts into the bedroom where a mother is putting her seven and nine year old sons to sleep. First he shoots the boys in the head to make sure their mother dies in agony, then he finishes her off.

But that's still not cruel enough, so the Palestinians come up with a better plan. At 7:30 in the morning, Israeli school kids crowd the number 20 bus in Jerusalem. A Palestinian homicide bomber gets on the bus and sits exactly where the Israeli children are seated. A second later the homicide bomber blows himself up and 11 Israeli school children are butchered to pieces. CNN interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who expained his pride and how he encouraged his son to kill the Jews. When CNN asked him, how he felt that he murdered Israeli school kids? He said how proud he was of his son's actions.

Arafat talks about this final solution.

Arafat's speech in Sweden in 1996.
Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel".

Arafat said, Our goal is the total Destruction of Israel. We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"  http://www.iris.org.il/quotes/stockhlm.htm

On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians. The PLO web site posted a statement -- celebrating the attacks:

"With faith in the calling of holy jihad," it said, "two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks... These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur."
That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack "Palestine-Israel," and reported that the bombings had killed "23 Israeli settlers."  http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby011003.asp

After the disco massacre last year, which murdered 21 Israeli school girls, a German TV station interviewed the father of the homicide bomber, who showed a letter he received from Arafat, where Arafat praised and glorified his son's actions. Its good to know, Tony Blair thinks Arafat who praises when Palestinians slaughter Israeli woman and children is a man of peace.  http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=palestinian&ID=SP23701

Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, "We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well." Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, "Zionist colonizers" killed in a "qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer."  http://www.jnewswire.com/editorial/02/11/021121_hollow_condemnations.htm

Palestinians and Arabs talks how they want to exterminate the Jews.

 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story
Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam reportedly said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."

Another link to this story of Hamas calling for extermination of Jews.

At that conference, organized by the Muslim Arab Youth Association, Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, introduced as the head of Hamas' military wing, told the crowd: "Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all. Exterminate them. No peace ever."  http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20011207/60241.html

Syrian Defence Minister Mustafa Tlass, In May 2001 stated on Lebanon television, that if every Arab kills one Jew, there will be no Jews left at all.  http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabpress0501.html

A visiting Egyptian official told Thomas Friedman, that he was recently speaking to Arab students about Middle East peace and one of them interrupted to say that with just "eight small, suitcase-size nuclear bombs," the whole problem of Israel could be eliminated.  http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/10/opinion/10FRIE.html

Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, a Palestinian Authority religious leader: "We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv"
"We will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya... We will fight against them and rule over them until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Moslem! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him'. We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors...."
[Preacher Dr. Muhammad Ibrahim Madi, PATV, 3 August 2001]  http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep02/marcus.htm

One week after the Dolphinarium bombing on June 1, 2001 in Tel Aviv in which 21 people, mainly young girls, were killed, PA television carried the sermon of Sheik Ibrahim Al-Madhi. He said: “Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah; blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body or on his sons’ and plunged into the midst of the Jews, crying ‘Allahu Akbar...’
 http://www.world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.” www. world.std.com/~camera/docs/oncamera/ocrula.html

Hamas terrorist chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.

Shoshana Gottleib, a young, religious mother of four, who told her story, she was in was attacked by murderous Palestinian machine-gun fire by terrorists, and how bending down to put orange peels in a plastic bag, she avoided the bullet that went through her headrest. As it was, Shoshana was critically injured, her spinal cord severed, paralyzing her for life from the chest down. One of the most interesting parts of Shoshana's presentation was her revelation that the terrorists who opened fire on her were three policemen in Arafat's Palestinian Authority, a fourth, who was Arafat's personal bodyguard in Force 17, and a fifth who had been recruited with the promise of $500. One of the terrorists videotaped the attack on the van, and it was sent to Yasir Arafat.  http://www.jewsweek.com/myturn/323.htm

Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women, Sheikh Ibrahim Mattsai said, "Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?" Mattsai goes on to say. "How excited I was to hear a Palestinian child tell me that when he is 14 years old he will blow himself up and become a martyr... I praise those sons of Allah who give you and me martyrdom."

O God, the Jews have transgressed all limits in their tyranny," Shaik Abd-al-Bari al Thubayti prayed in a June 7 sermon on official Saudi TV2. "O God, shake the ground under their feet, pour torture on them, and destroy all of them." This and similar statements appear in a forthcoming Anti-Defamation League paper on Saudi bigotry.  http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/saudi.html

Khalad Mashal, Hamas (Reuters, February 16):
"You have no place here, on the holy land of Palestine... You will never have security in this place, not even on a single centimeter of this land. This is a call for every Palestinian to turn into a time bomb - to fight them with every means at your disposal."
"Kill them! Allah will answer them through your means! I hope that there are those among you who will kill and be killed!"

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.

Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."

Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction.

Sari Nusseibeh is another supposed Palestinian moderate.
In an interview on Al-Jazeera television on July 14, translated by Memri. Nusseibeh praised everyone involved in jihad against Israel. Explaining that he did not want to pass moral judgment on the murderers when he signed a petition a month earlier calling for an end to suicide bombers, Nusseibeh said that terrorism presents no moral dilemma, it is only a question of whether or not "political benefit" accrues from killing Israeli civilians.  http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/genocide.html

On Oct. 24, the Palestinian Liberation Army Mufti, Sheikh Col. Nader Al-Tamini, said in a television debate on the Qatari Arabic cable news channel Al-Jazeera that there can be no peace with the Jews because they suck and use the blood of Arabs on the holidays of Passover and Purim.

Just four days later, the official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a full-page article by columnist Adel Hamooda titled, "A Jewish Matzoh Made from Arab Blood." It retold the infamous blood libel story of 1840 in great detail, recounting it as a documented historical fact.

The author went on to explain that the Jews' "bestial drive" to add the blood of non-Jews to matzoh is at the root of the violence. He said Palestinians are often found without a single drop of blood in their bodies.

"The most reasonable explanation is that the blood was taken to be kneaded into the dough of extremist Jews to be used in Matzohs to be devoured during Passover," he wrote.
Huh? That's the most reasonable explanation? The answer is yes to the hysterical propagandists of the Middle East.

Egyptian Television last November and Palestinian Television in 2001 broadcast A 30-part series -- produced by Arab Radio and Television, featuring a cast of 400, and aired during the second half of Ramadan this year -- "dramatized" the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Last March, we were treated to an article in the Saudi government daily, Al-Riyadh, describing in great detail the Jewish method of draining the blood of Muslim children to be used in baking Matza.

The racist lie that Jews drink the blood of Arabs into their matzah is graphically described in "The Matzah of Zion," published in 1983 by Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlas.  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15098

Last June, A Palestinian homicide bomber walked into a shopping mall in a city near Tel Aviv and spotted an ice cream parlor full of children. He detonated a nail-packed bomb, that killed Sinai Keinanan 18-month-old girl, who just wanted an ice cream cone, and killed her grandmother too. Do you know Islamikaze mother, lauded the deeds of her son, butchering a Grandmother and her 2 year old Granddaughter. When CNN asked her, how she felt that he had murdered a Grandmother and 14 month old girl. She said how proud she was of her son's actions.

Here's the story of Gal Eizenman. She was murdered with her Grandmother by a Palestinian homicide bomber at a Jerusalem bus stop, after her kindergarten party. Here's her pic  http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=3328 Read the great commentaries.

Last weekend, after a suicide bomber killed eleven young Israelis at a Jerusalem cafe, and a terrorist with an automatic rifle killed a nine-month-old baby in her stroller in Netanya, thousands celebrated in the West Bank and Gaza. The following night, there was an interview with the father of the Netanya killer. He was proud of his son, saying he had five more sons whom he prayed to Allah would follow in the baby-killer's footsteps. How can you deter a killer who considers murder-suicide the greatest honor in life? Israelis cannot afford to continue enduring the terrible calculus of suicide attacks.  http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El234&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

Nina Kardashov was joyfully celebrating her bat-mitzvah, the rite of passage to Jewish womanhood, with her friends and family. The band was playing, couples were dancing. The proud twelve-year-old, resplendent in her party dress, had just appeared on the stage. Then, as the amateur videos so horrifically showed, the Palestinian gunman starting shooting and people started dying, including Nina's grandfather and five other celebrants. An hour later, another celebration took place. In the Palestinian city of Tulkarm, hometown of the gunman, cars honked their horns, men shot in the air, strangers embraced in the streets and handed out candy.  http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El451&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&! ;

When Palestinians dance in the streets after hearing that Israeli civilians have been torn to pieces and charred beyond recognition, that society is expressing a kind of collective death wish. But the bombers and shooters, along with those who funds and direct them, don't just kill Israelis. They also write the death warrants for other Palestinians. They endanger and damage their own families and friends and neighbors. Actions produce consequences, and crimes invite punishment. The Palestinian Authority armed and financed the killers. Arafat called for a million of them. Parents pocketed a payoff from Saddam.  http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

After the massacre of men, women, and children in a Jerusalem pizzeria by a Palestinian suicide bomber, there were probably some who believed that Israel would respond with a similar act of violent bloodletting. They were to be disappointed. The F-16 missile attack on the golden-domed PA police station in Ramallah at 1:30am, long after it had been evacuated, was just a red herring, a distraction from the maneuver that Israeli forces were executing at that moment.
 http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El829&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

That I care for the well being of tens of Palestinian cancer patients and their families is irrelevant. As a Jew living in Israel, and, more specifically, Jerusalem, I am a potential target worthy of maiming or assassination. That is the miserable nature of the Palestinian struggle for self-determination. That I am here to recount these thoughts is by sheer virtue of timing. Minutes after I passed through the Pat intersection en route to the Shaare Zedek Medical Center, bus 32 was exploded by a young suicide bomber. Almost everyone on the bus was killed, most instantly. http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El1172&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

I thought about the school bus massacre a month ago, where a Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 11 people and injured 50--including many schoolchildren--aboard a crowded Israeli commuter bus in Jerusalem. Killed in the terror attack were an 8-year-old, four teenagers and six adults." Reuters reports that "witnesses said they heard children who had been on their way to school screaming 'Mamma, Mamma' from the wreckage." Hamas confessed to the atrocity.

Ehud Olmert said, "Every time I come to such a site, I can't escape the thought that a living person entered the bus, and he saw the young kid of 6, 7 years old sitting, and he blows him apart. This is something that you have to see to understand how terrible it is."
The murderer's father, Azmi Abu Hilail, praised his sons actions butchering Israeli school children and said he would want his other children to become homicide bombers and murder Israeli civilians.

Dan


Deir

24.04.2003 14:50

Deir Yassin Facts.

Palestinian Arab eyewitnesses have admitted that their claims about Deir Yassin Massacre were deliberate fabrications.

In the BBC Television Program from April 2, 1998 - Hazem Nusseibeh, an editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service's Arabic news in 1948, admitted to the BBC, he was told by Hussein Khalidi, a prominent Palestinian Arab leader, to fabricate claims of atrocities at Deir Yassin in order to encourage Arab regimes to invade the Jewish state-to-be.

According to the BBC, Nusseibeh "describes an encounter at the Jaffa Gate of Jerusalem's Old City with Deir Yassin survivors and Palestinian leaders, including Hussein Khalidi... 'I asked Dr. Khalidi how we should cover the story,' recalled Nusseibeh. 'He said, "We must make the most of this." So we wrote a press release stating that at Deir Yassin children were murdered, pregnant women were raped. All sorts of atrocities.'"

The BBC program then shows a recent interview with Abu Mahmud, who was a Deir Yassin resident in 1948, who says that the villagers protested against the atrocity claims: "'We said, "There was no rape." [Khalidi] said, "We have to say this, so the Arab armies will destroy the Jews.'"

Khalidi was one of the originators of the "massacre" allegation in 1948.
Deir Yassin was the site of a miltary battle, that the Israelis won; the Arab military had dressed up as women, in an attempt to launch a surprise, but were quickly discovered.

Before the battle began, Israelis asked the citizens of Deir Yassin to surrender their weapons, to avoid a battle.
They refused and the rest is history, except for the myth created by Arab propaganda.

Joe


Terrorfat

24.04.2003 14:52

I find it almost laughable that while the Palestinian leadership continues to cynically use its children as weapons, sacrificing them without second thought, it continues to deprive the Palestinian people of civil rights and due process of law, continues to salt away millions of dollars in secret bank accounts and continues to give out lies rather than to honestly work for an equilibrium in the area. It almost seems that Arafat and his flunkies like the carnage they have created and look forward to more child victims as a means of entrenching themselves.

Dov


Pal animals

24.04.2003 14:54

Palestinians planned another Passover massacre. I guess they wanted to butcher more eldery people.

 http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=42144 April 17, 03
Two Suicide Terrorists Captured

IDF anti-terror troops captured Tuesday night two Arab terrorists who were preparing to depart for suicide attacks. An explosives belt that was to be used by one of the Arabs was confiscated.

The first arrest occurred at the IDF’s Tamun checkpoint, some 28 miles east of Netanya. The terror suspect was identified as Mohammed Besharat of the Islamic Jihad group. IDF Intelligence sources say that Besharat’s explosives belt was found several hours before his arrest. The belt included 15 explosive charges surrounded by over 1,000 nails, packed in to increase injury.

The second arrest took place in the Nur a-Shams neighborhood of Tul Karm, located 10 miles east of Netanya. Abbed El Rachman Achmud of the Hamas terrorist organization was apprehended and according to military officials, he too was preparing for an attack in a nearby Israeli city.

 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=42024
Attempted Attacks Thwarted

An alert secretary in the Labor Party-affiliated Beit Berl College, outside Kfar Saba, helped prevent a major Palestinian terrorist attack today. She noticed a bag with suspicious wires alongside the college fence, and quickly alerted police. Upon arrival, they saw that it was connected to a cellular phone, which was to be its detonator, and police sappers neutralized it. The college is presently not in session due to the Passover vacation, but many students and faculty members are on campus for administrative and research purposes. Police believe that the terrorists were unaware of the vacation schedule.

Brig.-Gen. Amichai Shai, Commander of the Sharon Police District, told reporters that the 3-kilo explosive device was packed with an arsenal of nails, screws, metal ball bearings, razor blades, and even knives - all designed to intensify injuries. "If that bomb had gone off in a classroom or auditorium," Shai said, "it would have caused the same kind of damage as we saw in the Hebrew University bombing last year [when nine people were killed]."

An even larger explosive device, weighing 15 kilograms, was found near the Binyamin community of Psagot this afternoon. Sappers safely detonated it as well.

Wanted PFLP terrorist Yasser Ahmed Halili was captured in the kasbah market in Shechem (20 miles east of Netanya) as he was preparing to depart for a terror attack in an Israeli city today. An accomplice, Nidal Fakiyah of the PLO-Fatah terror organization, was apprehended with him.

Dov


articles

24.04.2003 15:03

 http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=14650
Monday, November 25, 2002
The Hamas advocates Killing Jews, simply for being Jews

Hamas advocates Killing Jews, simply for being Jews
IDF Spoksperson 24 November 2002

The Iz-Adin Al Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Hamas, published
(23 November 2002) a bulletin on their official website, advocating the
murder of Jews simply for the fact of that they are Jews.

The bulletin was published to commemerate the anniversary of the death of
Imad Akal, a senior Hamas official, killed in the Gaza Strip on November 24,
1993. The bulletin quotes Akal as saying: "We will knock on the doors of
Heaven with the skulls of the Jews". The bulletin depicts an axe shattering
the word "Al-Yahud" (Jews) and splintering the skulls of Jews. The words
Al-Qassam are engraved on the axe.


A Palestinian terrorist has told USA Today that his orders to kill Israeli citizens come from Yasser Arafat.
 http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/142002f.asp

Fred Jackson and Chad Groening
March 14, 2002

(AgapePress) - A Palestinian terrorist has told USA Today that his orders to kill Israeli citizens come from Yasser Arafat.

The paper identifies the terrorist as 33-year-old Maslama Thabet. He says the group he leads, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, is an integral part of Fatah. Fatah, headed by Arafat himself, is the largest group in the Palestinian Authority. In the interview, Thabet says "we are the armed wing of the organization ... we receive our instructions from Fatah ... our commander is Yasser Arafat himself."

The newspaper notes that in a televised address last Saturday, as Palestinians launched suicide attacks in Netanya and Jerusalem, Arafat urged Palestinians to "sacrifice themselves as martyrs in jihad for Palestine."

The report in USA Today goes on to quote Palestinian Authority officials who say most members of the Brigade receive salaries from Arafat's Palestinian Authority. As an example, it says the leader of the Brigade in Nablus is a salaried officer in the Palestinian National Security Force, one of 14 armed police and security services that report to Arafat.

Thabet's admission would seem to confirm what conservative activist David Horowitz says about Arafat, that he is a "murderer and a terrorist." Horowitz says Yasser Arafat is not motivated by any desire to establish a Palestinian homeland, as widely reported in the media.

Horowitz, who is president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, says the Palestinian strongman is motivated by hate. "Yasser Arafat is a murderer and a terrorist," he says. "Arabs got 90% of the Palestine mandate, and Jordan is still a country which contains 80% of the land mass of the so-called ‘Palestine mandate.’ Something like 70% of the Jordanian population are Palestinian. They never want a state in Jordan because it’s not run by Jews. They’re Jew-haters, that’s what they are. They’re Christian haters."

Horowitz believes Secretary of State Colin Powell is "weak" when it comes to his dealings with Arafat. "I think Colin Powell is very bad on this issue, as he is on many issues; but, he’s a tremendous strength for the Republican Party being there," he says. "As long as Bush keeps his head on his shoulders and keeps him in check, I’m happy."

Horowitz believes Arafat should be on a top ten most-wanted list because he says the Palestinian terrorist was responsible for killing an American ambassador.

Dov


University of Duh

24.04.2003 15:13

 http://www.chronwatch.com/featured/contentDisplay.asp?aid=1849

"The Newest Graduate of the University of Duh..." By Dr. Steven Plaut
Tuesday, March 11, 2003

The ''Oslo Era'' is, of course, an epic of astronomical stupidity and heart-breaking tragedy. But it does have its bitterly ironic moments. These include when Arab terrorists end up killing or injuring the leftists who imported them into Israeli lands.

There have been quite a few such cases. A leading Meretz activist was among those murdered in the Haifa Matsa restaurant suicide bomb attack. The son of a leftist journalist for Yediot Ahronot was among those murdered on one of the Jerusalem bus bombings, as was the niece of one of the worst anti-Jewish Far-Left fanatics on the faculty of Tel Aviv University. Two girls among those murdered on the Haifa bus this week had been sent by their leftist parents to Jewish-Arab ''peace camp'' seminars at the far-leftist Givat Haviva institute, a place so extremist and pro-terror that it employs Ilan Pappe.

None of these, of course, are reasons to rejoice, only to appreciate that life contains elements of irony even in the worst circumstances.

Which brings me to Amiram Goldin. Goldin had long been a leader in a touchy-feely encounter group in the Galilee devoted to promoting Jewish-Arab understanding, friendship, and coexistence. Even today, he has moments when he flashes back into posturing for such political correctness. But he has undergone a major metamorphosis.

Goldin's son Omri was murdered by the suicide bombing of the bus near Safed, along with eight other civilians. The murderers who planted the suicide bomber on the bus were the Galilee cousins of Mohammed Bakhri, the producer of the Goebbels film ''Jenin Jenin.'' The murderers were all Israeli citizens. Another Bakhri cousin was on the bus at the time but was warned about what was about to take place. She got off the bus with her girlfriend before the explosion, refusing to warn the driver or the other passengers. She was recently expelled for her role in the mass murder from a college in Safed, giving the Israeli Left yet another great cause and proof of Jewish anti-Arab ''racism.''

The Bakhris were rounded up and put on trial, and all the while their cousin promoted his nazi propaganda film--a tissue of lies about the battle of Jenin that has been awarded a Leftist Oscar, probably better to be called a Lemming. Goldin was present at the trial of the murderers of his son. The TV news only gave the story a few lines. Barely newsworthy in post-survivalist Israel.

Goldin, the post-murder Goldin, writes about his family's suffering, about the trial and those in attendance in a guest Op-Ed in Haaretz on March 9. The guilty murderers never expressed any remorse, but were proud of their crime.

Goldin had a rude awakening at the trial. He had been convinced that the vast majority of Galilee Arabs were decent people, anti-murder, anti-violence, tolerant, and loyal to their country. At the trial he realized how wrong he had been.

The courtroom was jammed with friends and kin and townsfolk of the murderers. Not a one approached the three fathers whose children had been murdered to offer a word of comfort. To the contrary, it was clear throughout the trial how utterly proud and overjoyed the Arabs in the courtroom were at the murders, how thoroughly they identified with those committing atrocities against Jewish children. They were in the courtroom as cheerleaders for the indicted murderers.

And so yet another leftist has graduated the hard way from the University of Duh.....

Dov


Two sides of the same coin

24.04.2003 16:32

It is sickening how similarly both sides in this war think. The Palestinian fighters commit atrocities in the name of Allah and Freedom. The Israeli army commits atrocities in the name of Democracy and Security. But both sides are effectively blocking any peaceful resolution and the way things are going now, another big bang isn't far off.

All of this isn't helped by the blood-spitting pundits on either side. While there is no excuse for advocating the murder of Israeli civilians or Jews worldwide, the way in which these conclusions are reached is at least understandable. And by understandable I DO NOT MEAN JUSTIFIABLE. I mean understandable: we can logically follow the train of thought from oppression and religious fanatacism to the call for blood. Much more worrying are the reactions from supposedly well-educated, secular, prosperous anti-Palestinians, particularly those from the US. Devoid of all reason, they are the ones who, sitting on their fat arses in front of their £1,000 computers have the gall to condemn an entire people for the reaction of some of their members to the suffering wrought upon them by an invading power.
Maybe they don't realise that not having ever set a foot in the Middle East doesn't really qualify them for the role of Middle East pundit. Maybe they don't realise that their hate-filled letters to editors who dare publish an opposing view to theirs contributes directly to the further suffering of Palestinians, and by extension Israelis. Maybe they don't understand the most basic of natural (and religious) laws - Do not unto others what you would not done unto yourself. Whatever the case, it is these people, who spend their days compiling the impotent hate speeches of young Arabs, or pictures of bomb massacres, in an attempt to discredit the Palestinian's fight for their homeland, who need to be taken out of the equation. It is time to stand up to them and challenge them on every single point, and dare them to put their feet where their mouths are: in Israel and Palestine. Go down there, walk through the streets of Jerusalem, meet the Israeli boy soldiers and the displaced Palestinian families. Talk to Jewish and Arab students. Watch a peaceful protester killed by a member of one of the most fearsome fighting machines in the world. Then come back and repeat your crap. I bet you couldn't.

observer


bloody hell

24.04.2003 16:42

After the first three comments and the post this thread in my opinion is fucked up by real braindeads.

The palestinians are people and just give them back what is owed to them and say a big sorry.
It happend in South Africa you know.
It is posible.

As for Dan, what a fuck up you are...

> we've seen what the Palestinians have done with the autonomy generously granted to them by Israel

!!!

what the fuck are you on about. are you a wannabe agent who was refused by everyone?

ram


Mofaz

24.04.2003 17:13

Mofaz: Arafat gave 'green light' to suicide attacks

Friday, January 31, 02, Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent

Information directly linking Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to terror organizations was presented Friday by Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz.

Addressing the Economic-Social Club in Nes Tziona, Mofaz charged that Arafat had instructed the heads of the organizations to kill more Israelis.

Referring to a never-before publicized conversation between Arafat and the leaders of the terror groups in February 2001, the defense minister charged that "the Palestinian plan was to cause a few thousand Israeli deaths within a number of months, so that Israel would give in to them... It was tantamount to giving a green light to the suicide terror attacks against Israel."

Mofaz said Hamas and Islamic Jihad began the suicide attack campaign and were joined a year or so ago by Arafat's Fatah organization. He noted that Israel was in possession of additional intelligence indicating Arafat's involvement in the terror, adding that the United States and other countries were also privy to this information.

In the past, Israel presented information concerning cash payments from Arafat's office to terror activists.

Significant information on the issue was published in June last year, when it was reported that shortly after the suicide attack at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem, that left seven Israelis dead, Arafat met with Fatah activist Mohammed Naifeh from Tul Karm, giving him $20,000 to be used for the operations of Fatah's military wing.

Israel passed on this information to U.S. President George W. Bush, who in turn, distanced himself from Arafat.

Dan


Peacenow

24.04.2003 17:18

The fact is that this conflict is EXISTENTIAL- NOT TERRITORIAL. The Arabs dont accept Israel within ANY borders.

THIS is why there was no peace from 48 to 67, or why Arafat didn't sign on the dotted line at Camp David and Taba

I have 2 words for you. Palestinian Rejectionism: Take it from there.

This could have been the third year of a prospering new Palestinian state. Instead, they went to war against Israel. Count the dead, injured and destroyed on both sides. All this suffering because Arafat and the Palestinians cant accept Israel existence.

Camp David failed for one reason.

The real reason Arafat didn’t want to make peace at Camp David. Arafat felt having his own state meant nothing to him, compared to the thrill of killing Jews.

The PLO assumed that Israeli society couldn't tolerate a conflict, where Israeli civilians were murdered on a daily level; that Israel was weak- that they would capitulate to Arab terror.

Now, what has Sharon done? He fought back on THEIR terms. The World reacts to Jews defending themselves, as though the Palestinian terrorists are the victims.

I say to you. "Would you tolerate a neighbor orchestrating, funding, and blessing homicide murderers targeting your civilian population?

Would you tolerate a situation in which women and children were being blown to pieces in your cafes, pizzeria's and shopping centers?

Would you tolerate street side celebrations by your neighbors, frequently displayed on your TV screens, rejoicing at the carnage that they had inflicted on your people?"

The Palestinians insisted on war.

The Israelis have bent over backwards to try to accomodate the Palestinians including the best deal ever offered to Arafat by the Israelis during the Clinton Administration. All olive branch offered by the Israelis have met with more and more suicide (homicide) attacks.

Arafat and his henchmen prefer to keep his position as head terrorist and dictator in order to keep "his" people poor, miserable and angry and to insure his swiss bank account stays fat with EU $$ - sad but true. There is no democracy anywhere in the Arab world and this is equally true for those civilians under the PA control. Until the Jew hating idiots on the left understand, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel and Israel doesn't want to be destroyed.

I do not blame the Israelis at all. If you suffered a 9-11 attack on an almost daily basis like the Israelis do, at some point you will not be so agreeable, diplomatic or willing to offer a olive branch. The onus is on the Palestinians to stop killing Israeli civilians. But this will never happen, because Arafat is obsessed with implementing his phase by phase plan to destroy Israel.

"In October of 2000, with the help of Clinton, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 97% of the West Bank all of Gaza, Arab sections of Jerusalem and 3 percent of Israel. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their latest attempt to destroy Israel."

In fact, the Palestinians broke the Oslo Accords precisely because of Israeli generosity, because the government of Ehud Barak offered to meet 100 percent of their demands, including turning over half of Jerusalem to their control -- a possibility once considered unthinkable. These concessions confronted Arafat with the one outcome he did not want: Peace with Israel. Peace without the destruction of the "Jewish Entity.

I read something that 1999 was the only year that no Israeli civilians were killed by Arab terrorists in Israel. In that year, 99 percent of Palestinians were living under Arafat's rule. Not one time did Israel go in any Palestinian city in 1999. This is not to hard to figure out. Israel wouldn't go in one Palestinian city if the Palestinians stop killing Israeli civilians. Everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city, what happens, the Palestinians resume terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This forces Israel to go back in these cities.

Israel withdrew ELEVEN times from the West Bank to effect a cease-fire. Each time Israel was attacked by suicide bombers who massacred Israeli civilians in Israel. The Palestinian Authority failed to arrest them, and instead paid their families awards. Arafat even named streets after them as "martyrs". How can anyone take seriously, Arab leaders that encourage terror attacks against civilians?

You see, when someone wants to destroy you and kill your civilians. When you have 70 percent of Arabs who support homicide bombers against Israeli civilians. When you have Palestinian terrorists groups that refuse to sign an agreement, not to target Israeli woman and children. What do you expect Israel to do? When you hear about all the Israeli civilians being massacred. Thats only the Palestinian terrorist atrocities that got through. You know how many bus massacres, cafe massacres, Israeli security forces prevented.

When Israel was making peace with Egypt. How many times did Israeli soldiers attack Egypt? Zero Times.
When Israel was making peace with King Hussein. How many times did Israel attack Jordan? Zero times.

They didn't attack them, because Egyptians and Jordanians were murdering Israeli woman and children, like Palestinian terrorists are. I'll ask if, if everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city and the second they leave, Palestinian terrorists from the city then massacre Israeli civilians. What do you expect Israel to do?

If you dont know, its Palestinian terrorism which is forcing Israel back in Judea and Samaria.

The Israeli military goes into a Palestinian village to rootout terrorists and to attempt to stop future terrorist attacks

There is a big difference in initiating violence and reacting to it. The vast majority of the violence and killings have been initiated by the Arabs. If the Arabs (Palestinians) would not initiate violence, the Israelis would not react with violence. Now, is that so hard to see or understand?

Israel targets Palestinians terrorists who send homicide bombers and gunman, who go into Israeli college cafeterias, night clubs, restaurants, felafel stands, buses, and hotel lobbies full civilians, and deliberately massacre hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians.

I saw this from 2 weeks ago, which explains exactly what i'm talking about.

 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1043152787039

Several Palestinian officials from different groups have already arrived in Cairo for the conference. PA officials said the conference was expected to end in failure after most of the Palestinian groups announced that they would not halt their attacks against civilians inside Israel.

Can you imagine that, these Palestinians wont sign an agreement not to target woman and children in Israel. You couldn't find me a Hindu, Budhish, Jewish or Christian leader that wouldn't sign an agreement not to target innocent civilians. Only the murderous Arabs wont sign it.

Nothing will change for the Palestinians, because its not about their state its about destroying Israel. The Pals live in bad conditions, because their leaders keep them in it, not because of Israel. Its not in the Pal leaders best interest, to normalize life for their people. If they did, there would be no need for them.

This is what the Palestinians want.

Yasser Arafat translated in Arabic, in a speech he made in Sweden in 1996. Our goal is the total destruction of Israel. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!"
 http://www.iris.org.il/quotes/stockhlm.htm

Hamas chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027.

In 1974, Arafat adopted his phase by phase plan at the PLO's National Council at its session in Cairo during June 1-8, 1974.

Prior to the 1974 meeting, the PLO's position was that it would never accept anything but the immediate destruction of Israel.

At the 1974 meeting, the PLO decided to seek Israel's destruction in phases, by first establishing a small PLO state, then later seeking to conquer the rest of Israel. Point #2 of its 10-point 1974 platform declared that the PLO should create "a national, independent fighting authority on every part of the Palestinian land to be liberated." Point #8 explains that the "the Palestine national entity, after it comes into existence," will seek "to complete the liberation of the entire Palestinian soil."

In the Palestinian Arab newspaper Al Quds on May 10, 2000, Arafat was asked:
"Do you feel sometimes that you made a mistake in agreeing to Oslo?"

Arafat replied: - his peace with Israel is based on the Hudaybiyah accord made by Mohammed.

Hudaybiyah is a small oasis between Mecca and Medina where Mohammed fought a battle in the early years of Islam. When he saw he was fighting a losing battle, Mohammed signed a strategic 10-year peace agreement with the Quraish tribe who lived in Mecca.

Two years later, when his forces were stronger, Muhammad invaded and destroyed the Quraish tribe. Arafat in 2001 justified the slaughter by saying, Muhammed´s peace treaty was only a "Lesser Value Agreement" because he had agreed to sign the treaty without the words.

Arafat referred to this principle in Islam known as Takiya, the right to fake peace when you are weak for the purposes of defeating your enemy when you are stronger.

On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV:
"Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

Abdul Aziz Shaheen, the PA's Minister of Supplies, told the official PA newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on January 4, 2000:

"The Oslo accord was a preface for the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian Authority will be a preface for the Palestinian state which, in its turn, will be a preface for the liberation of the entire Palestinian land."

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav.

Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine."

Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction.

Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam reportedly said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics."  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...20601holy.story


peace


Fuck me...

24.04.2003 18:45

That Dan can cut and paste, can't he?

Wonder if he's got any thoughts of his own, or if he's some kind of Zionist 'response-bot' programmed to spew shit every time Israel is criticised?

Anyone still trying to peddle the lie that the Camp David offer was generous must be fucking brain dead anyway.

If you like Israel so much, Dan - fuck off over there and stop filling the wire with your stale and discredited propaganda.

The same goes for Dov, by the way.

Bri.

Brian


I give up

24.04.2003 22:40

To please you I will become a Zionist.
Instructions please?

ram


for ram: a step by step guide

24.04.2003 23:07

i´ll even put it in easy words for you:

piggy don´t like jews. kill them many years. jews try to live with piggies and beside piggies but don´t matter. piggy blame jews always and hate them. if problems piggy says jew is to blame and kills him.

some jews don´t like this and go away from piggies to defend themselves against piggies but some stay. many piggies who stay get killed in millions. jews then have enough of piggies and leave.

see piggies ( or piggy society) not just racist but also treat women and jews and gays and lesbians like shit. piggy society still not like jews and lies about them lots and blames new jewish state with same prejudices it blames the jews.

while piggies still hate jews so much that they might kill them non-piggies from piggy societies support the jewish state to exist and hate those piggies whether left or right who deny this or spread lies and stereotypes in their criticism of the jewish state.

i think this is how you´d describe it.

dario


you wonder

25.04.2003 21:53

I see many zionist propaganda in the web. Sure Palestinians do not want Israel (many jewish people don't want either), why they should became second class people?
Many rants to answer, I cannot do that. I ask a question to all zionist sympathizers: if were the Palestinians and not Israelis to run your own country, what you'll have done?
To say that suicide bombers are targetting children, women, old people on porposed is a fucking joke. I thought IDF are killing children (how many this year?), women (how many?), old people. Bulldozing their homes, and so on, please tell me are all palestinian children terrorists?
Some of zionist sympathizers are literally fascist orientated, you wonder why?

machno


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