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MI5/6's favourite organ

dh | 27.04.2003 09:34

After Galloway, the plucky Telegraph reporters continue to sift through documents in bombed out buildings and come up with another amazing find - proof of al-Qaeda's links with Saddam, with the words only tippexed out, typical Arab carelessness, like they couldn't destroy the evidence.Like they forgot to blow up a few bridges to slow the advance

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq27.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/04/27/ixportaltop.html

The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
By Inigo Gilmore
(Filed: 27/04/2003)
Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.
Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998.
The documents show that the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qa'eda based on their mutual hatred of America and Saudi Arabia. The meeting apparently went so well that it was extended by a week and ended with arrangements being discussed for bin Laden to visit Baghdad.
The papers will be seized on by Washington as the first proof of what the United States has long alleged - that, despite denials by both sides, Saddam's regime had a close relationship with al-Qa'eda.
The Telegraph found the file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ. There are three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia and lettering of the Mukhabarat.
They show correspondence between Mukhabarat agencies over preparations for the visit of al-Qa'eda's envoy, who travelled to Iraq from Sudan, where bin Laden had been based until 1996. They disclose what Baghdad hopes to achieve from the meeting, which took place less than five months before bin Laden was placed at the top of America's most wanted list following the bombing of two US embassies in east Africa.
Perhaps aware of the sensitivities of the subject matter, Iraqi agents at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin Laden, using white correcting fluid. The dried fluid was removed to reveal the clearly legible name three times in the documents.
One paper is marked "Top Secret and Urgent". It is signed "MDA", a codename believed to be the director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat, and dated February 19, 1998. It refers to the planned trip from Sudan by bin Laden's unnamed envoy and refers to the arrangements for his visit.
A letter with this document says the envoy is a trusted confidant of bin Laden. It adds: "According to the above, we suggest permission to call the Khartoum station [Iraq's intelligence office in Sudan] to facilitate the travel arrangements for the above-mentioned person to Iraq. And that our body carry all the travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden."
The letter refers to al-Qa'eda's leader as an opponent of the Saudi Arabian regime and says that the message to convey to him through the envoy "would relate to the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a direct meeting with him."
According to handwritten notes at the bottom of the page, the letter was passed on through another director in the Mukhabarat and on to the deputy director general of the intelligence service.
It recommends that "the deputy director general bring the envoy to Iraq because we may find in this envoy a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden". The deputy director general has signed the document. All of the signatories use codenames.
The other documents then confirm that the envoy travelled from Khartoum to Baghdad in March 1998, staying at al-Mansour Melia, a first-class hotel. It mentions that his visit was extended by a week. In the notes in a margin, a name "Mohammed F. Mohammed Ahmed" is mentioned, but it is not clear whether this is the the envoy or an agent.
Intriguingly, the Iraqis talk about sending back an oral message to bin Laden, perhaps aware of the risk of a written message being intercepted. However, the documents do not mention if any meeting took place between bin Laden and Iraqi officials.
The file contradicts the claims of Baghdad, bin Laden and many critics of the coalition that there was no link between the Iraqi regime and al-Qa'eda. One Western intelligence official contacted last night described the file as "sensational", adding: "Baghdad clearly sought out the meeting. The regime would have wanted it to happen in the capital as it's only there they would feel safe from surveillance by Western intelligence."
Over the past three weeks, The Telegraph has discovered various other intelligence files in the wrecked Mukhabarat building, including documents revealing how Russia passed on to Iraq details of private conversations between Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, and how Germany held clandestine meetings with the regime.
A Downing Street spokesman said last night: "Since Saddam's fall a series of documents have come to light which will have to be fully assessed by the proper authorities over a period of time. We will certainly want to study these documents as part of that process to see if they shed new light on the relationship between Saddam's regime and al-Qa'eda.

dh

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Soory dh I have not read the post...

27.04.2003 10:21

..but commenting on my convictions.

The Sunday Herald is really worth reading. (The Scottish connection seems to stand up for the man)

Call me conspiracist or what but check this out

 http://www.sundayherald.com/33021
"James Woolsey

A long-time supporter of war on Iraq and PNAC and Jinsa member, the former director of the CIA has been named as the likely minister of information in the new Iraq (666) . His business interests have included: the arms company British Aerospace; the Titan Corporation, which provides military interpreters and DynCorp, which provides bodyguards for Hamid Karzai, the Afghani president and has installed a police force monitoring service in Bosnia. DynCorp is being sued for human rights violations in Bosnia, environmental health disasters in Ecuador and fraud in America. He was a partner in the law firm, Shea and Gardner, which acts as foreign agents for the Iraqi National Congress (666) , led by Chalabi. He is vice-president of Booz Allen Hamilton, a corporate consultant firm, which won a contract to develop a computer model of post-war Iraqi society after the first Gulf war I (666) . Booz Allen is also closely linked to the DPB. He said that “only fear will re-establish [Arab] respect for us ... we need a little bit of Machiavelli”......"

--(666) was introduced by me thrice as clearly these are overlaps with Galloway!


 http://www.sundayherald.com/33356
is also a must

But in the lead story he seems to be playing a bit scared of the pigs,
"...
Galloway said the origin of the documents that refer to him was so far impossible to verify and that it was unlikely British intelligence agencies had any direct involvement, instead pointing the finger at the US, the Iraqi National Congress and Israeli intelligence."

ram


fao ram

27.04.2003 13:54

dear ram, we appreciate your opinionatedness and understand
that you want to bring your point across that the west is being
racist ("white pigs"). still, we as the features working group
think that you are monopolising the wire in a disruptive way and
ask you not to comment to every single article. please refrain
from posting so much. if we don't see a change in your attitude
during the next week we will have to hide all the posts coming
from you. regards, the feats working group

imc uk


who gave the d.t. journilists the right !

27.04.2003 13:58

The DT and the US/UK/Jews have no right to invade Iraq like flies on a peice of a cake. The DT journilists have no rights to remove documents from Iraq. Stolen documents no matter what they are does not stand in the court of law. This is if law and justice has ever been known in the US/UK.

The connection with Ossama if it exist is an honourable one, but I very much doubt it.

Murderering theives out of Iraq and take your alchalibi and dogs like him from my coutry.

kassem


Don't be so hard on ram

27.04.2003 14:51

He has a tendancy to rant but his passion is inspirational!

I have to admit I was a bit pissed off at first by his constant references to "the white pig race" etc - being a white guy myself I thought he was just being blanket-racist but his recent defence of Galloway shows that he does have a more nuanced set of views than "all white guys are evil".

My advice to ram would be - maybe you should tone down your ranting a little bit, to avoid upsetting too many people, but other than that keep up the good work.

Cheers for the link to the evening standard mate - its nice to see old Galloway getting his point of view heard in at least some of the pig-press ;)

With regards to all of these recent "discoveries" being made by telegraph reporters - I think it is to be expected, the bastards are having their "hour of power" where they can claim to have found whatever they damn well like to justify the invasion and crush opposition.

As indyans, it is our reponsibility to attempt to counter this black-propaganda before they brainwash everyone! We are dealing with very ruthless people who will stop at nothing to sell their dirty wars. The way things are going, it will probably be a telegraph reporter who "finds" the "hidden" stocks of VX gas!

By the way - a little trick I always like to do when I am in a news-agent - pick up a few guardians or independants when the shop-keeper is not looking and spread liberally over the stacks of suns, mails, times and telegraphs. Just a minor thing but if it means that some idiot sun readers can't find their filthy rag then it is a job well done!

Peace people!

Dannyboy


the Daily Telegraph

27.04.2003 15:38

The Daily Telegraph stoops to the lowest of human depravity. It shows it's absolute bias in a recent interview with George Galloway on Channel 4 News admiting it hated him because of meeting Saddam Hussein in the past. Such open outbursts of biasness and hatred you would only expect from a tabliod comic like "The Sun" and using such flimsy unsubstainuated evidence against George Galloway shows is a blatent total disregard for real evidence that can stand up in court. The Daily Telegraph is totally complicit with the Washington Administration in the lies, half truths and disinformation we in the UK have been subjected since 9/11. The is a Zionist Newspaper with no shred of journalistic credibility left to be seen.

gigamega


Hope we all can concentrate on impt. stuff

27.04.2003 17:20

> ...features working group think that you are monopolising the wire in a disruptive way and
ask you not to comment to every single article. please refrain
from posting so much.

OK I give up. Unless there is *real* activity any participation by me in this controlled talkshop will always translate to something like what you have pointed out above.

I hope some Ari/Ali style spin is not involved in projecting any predetermined image at IMC-UK.
Even if so it is not my concern except that the truth should be discussed/told to the millions to ussher in peace to all.

Apologies to all those offended by my choice of words (especially JTC) but the underlying point (if you can see through to it) stands.
--The main agenda of the mass murderers is one of racism.

Hope you can carry on whatever you do best ...would hate to see the national apathy to the Iraqi or any other suffering permeate through to this promising forum.

Best wishes to all humans. If you are one you will know it I guess.

Ciao!

ram


Never give up

27.04.2003 22:12

.. you don't have to give up ram
Everything is cool so just cool it for now.
I recognise that state where you can stay ahead of everything and get good stuff and thoughts online, but those risk the envy of others or some self-limiting stuff, because if we all did that simultaneously then where would we be? The speed of our senses and the technology couldn't sustain it

dh


integrity

27.04.2003 22:29

btw it's always nice to see someone maintaining a personal integrity. A signature so easily attacked, when ram could after all have taken any identity that he fancied at the time, as so many others do.An argument for general registration? Would he then have been fingered?

dh


I agree with dh

28.04.2003 09:00

Yes, don't give up ram.

I lived in the UK for 5 years and really liked the people and your culture. I did notice thought it's not done to show too many emotions or passion about your ideas. You just end up getting bullied and people focus on your behaviour and the words you use instead of seeing the point of what you're trying to say.

from Middle East


Want to know about the Telegraph?

04.11.2003 02:16

MI5 "Logo"
MI5 "Logo"

The Telegraph is the zionist rag from Conrad Black and his "israeli" wife Barbra Ameil. These raving zionists are part the Hollinger Group media company. Two directors of Hollinger (who also publish the Jerusalem Post) are zionist mafioso Richard Perle and the war criminal Henry Kissenger. The Telegraph was the tabloid which magically found papers (written in English!) amongst thousands of other burnt and trashed papers in bombed out Iraqi ministries (!) allegedly showing payments from Saddam to the British antiwar MP Geroge Galloway. Nice one zionist mafia - keep printing those lies ...

Perle & Kissenger on Hollinger's own site:

 http://www.hollinger.com/mgmt/mgmt.htm




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