To all Sharonites and Zionist apologists:

I suppose all of this lot are "anti-semitic" are they?

Or, that most laughable of accusations; the "self-hating Jew"?

I love these guys. For religious fundamentalists they're OK.

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the foolishness (on both sides) of trying to stereotype anti-Israeli arguments as "anti-Jewish" or to blame "The Jews" for the crimes of a militaristic US client-state.

Torah! Torah! Torah!

MM

Just because you think religions 'are a load of crap' doesn't mean you have to slag off everyone who is religious, they are not all bad. You may choose not to have a religion, but show a little tolerance, will ya?

You work for Mossad and hate anyone who criticises the IDF. Why deny it, admit it!

Bassman ....you have been pointed out clearly, atleast in two occasion, (recently) that the hoax related to MLK Jr.

Please do not spread hoaxes.

 http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm

...from Bassman as usual.

I've just reread my post and I can't for the life of me see where he's got the insane notion that I "hate all Jews", unless its the fact that I dislike the murderous actions of the Israeli government/Army.

I WILL NOT "admit" that I hate Jews or similar such bollocks for the simple (and bleedin' obvious) fact that I DO NOT.

Bassman is a sick puppy. He could see anti-semitism at a Bar Mitzvah.

There. Over with. I hate imperialism and racism and the Sharon government has it to spare, along with its mates in the Bush administration.

The whole point of my post, arsehole, was that ANYONE who generalises about a race/religion is usually wrong.

All the more apparent when you see the ignorant poisonous rantings that pass for argument in Bassman's foul part of the Web.

And one more thing, Bassy, it DOES NOT FOLLOW that I "must" like right wing Christian fundamentalists, cos I support the views on the state of Israel of just ONE SECT. This is the end of logic, honestly.

These very people are currently in charge of the Whiter House and are massive supporters of the Israeli government.

So I guess that means that YOU "must" like them, eh Bassman?

People like Bassman are so full of hatred and intolerance that I often despair of there ever being peace in the Middle East

MM

PS - Everyone else - my original post does not represent some kind of hurrah for religion. Get a sense of humour. Puh-lease.

First, the MLK quote is 100% accurate. 2nd, I am not a Mossad agent, I am a professional musician who hates racists of all stripes. I am not a zionist, I merely comment on the so called anti Zionism that is a masqurade for anti Jewish racism.

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Do you mean "anti Jewish racism" meaning that type of racism that is fond of calling others "goys", "schwartzes".. and the like. (And you are against it).

Or,

Do you mean anti(-)Jewish racism meaning that type of racism where Jews exclusively are picked on? (And you are only against this?).

Pardon the confusion, but many "anti racists" are themselves racists and use the cover to hide themselves. I was only wondering if you were one of them. You seem to want others to feel that they are out to attack a particular group of your selection. And you use that universal umbrella device of being "against all racists". It seems to read from your rabid rants that racists can only be racists when they attempt to paint the Zionists "white"...

I do not see people on this site using "goy or shwatza" If they are racist epithets(what do they mean?) I am against their use and would condemn them as racist. I mainly see anti Jewish racism on Indymedia masked as Anti Zionism. why not be honest? You hate Jews if you are willing to believe any lie, quote any dubious source, assign collective responsibility to a group for the actions of a member or members of that group. You defame the Jewish people and then brush it off as anti Zionism.

You are offending Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Martin Luther King was a good man assasinated in a racist country becuase the racists there feared him.
he was busy fighting a battle that is not yet won.

Leaving the hoax aside, DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE A MAN WITH SUCH HIGH IDEALS AND A CLEVER MIND WILL EVER SUPPORT THE ZIONIST SHIT!!

The man died before the proliferation of illegal armed settlements in Palestine with the support of nearly half of Israeli Jews support removing Palestinians forcibly. Not just removed but chased out of the lands that belong to them.

Do you honestly think the man would have ever supported the
state violence of Israel?

..... handing out of machine guns to jewish religious fanatics from Brooklyn who move to the territories and proclaim their God-given right to the land, and the right to run Arabs out of their neighborhoods, or fence
them off, or discriminate against them in a multitude of ways.

....launching missile attacks against entire neighborhoods?

....having a 'first-strike' policy with WMDs?

....AN ACTIVE SUPPORTER OF APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA?!!

Leaving national politics aside (if you could call the pig ochestrated illegal state of Isreal a nation) do you think the man would ever make a statement for the civil rights of palestinians being taken away at every juncture of their daily lives?
.....the unequal rationing of water resources between Jews
Arabs.
.....destruction of ancient ways of lives?
.....the degrading checkpoints through which Palestinians have been living for years.

Or simply the crimes committed against children!
.....IDF scum shooting children throwing rocks, as young as age twelve?
.....bulldozing their houses?

Do you realise MLK was assasinated before Sabra and Shatilla massacres by Sharon. He was not witness to the active military support extended by Isreal as a proxy to the US foregin policy, initiated by the pigs in the CIA ...
eg: Mozambique, Namibia, Angola, Nicaragua, Gautamala, Contras in Nicaragua ..... and again the NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY TO APARTHEID SOUTH AFARICA.

You white pig!!

It is a tragedy that we do not have people of MLK's calibre in the pig-west due to assasinations. Only if they were around....not only will we have hoaxes like the one you are spreading stand no chance....we will be overthrowing the fuckits pig governments and meeting out justice to pig agents like you.

Note above that I do criticise the Jews who take up to arms and kill humns whether they be Palestinians or Isreali PMs like Rabin.

But I tell you clearly that Zionism is semtism. I am anti Zionist and want to see the end of any idiots with such fucked up ideas. But I am actively seeking Jewish friends and possibly a chance to make love to any consenting jew so that we all can spread universal love.

Clear?

I do not want your pig ranting on things like I am a racist for forcibly pointing out the white factor as pigs. The whites people are not the issue here.

The issue is the safety of the planet for our children as we have truly fucked up this generations peaceul existence very badly. Jewish children as much as Arbic children. Yes children of the UK and USA too.
This is what MLK was on about in his dreams.
Do you contradict my reading of MLK's dreams?
If not, let us agree together that there is no chance for Zionits or the western pigs in this bright and peaceful future.

Apologies.

Rewading my fast comment I spot a mistake.

I say above
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Nope.

I meant to type

Zionism is NOT semtism.

Ok I will repeat it 5 times for your forgiveness..

Zionism is NOT semtism

Zionism is NOT semtism

Zionism is NOT semtism

Zionism is NOT semtism

Zionism is NOT semtism

THIS IS WHAT I POINT OUT IN MY COMMENT ABOVE ANYWAY.

Ram, you prove my point in your hate filled diatribe. How do you know what race I am? It is irrelevant, anyway. You are seeking Jewish friends? What for. Why would they want a Jew hater like you for a friend--so you can have mask for your hatred by saying, "See, I dont hate Jews, some of my best friends are Jewish" You are so filled with hatred for the Jewish people that you defame the great Dr Martin Luther Jr. You could say you disagree with him, but you would rather go into your Jew hating hysteria and then to make yourself feel better for your racism, slander white people by calling them pigs. Ram, get a life. Get over your obsession with the Jewish people!

What with the blatantly orchestrated campaign that's been filling this newswire with stuff to 'prove' Indymedia's inherent anti-semitism, you suddenly appear as the voice of sanity! We never believed you were a plant (or, indeed, a pig). Welcome back!

What with the blatantly orchestrated campaign that's been filling this newswire with stuff to 'prove' Indymedia's inherent anti-semitism, you suddenly appear as the voice of sanity! We never believed you were a plant (or, indeed, a pig). Welcome back!

do you forget so easily or do you smoke too much dope or something. I clearly remember explainginto you that a person need not be awhite pig by the colour of their skin.

You are one Bassman, hardluck. It is in your mind.

For other examples .....Crown Prince Faisal of Al-Saud family,
Ariel Sharon of El-Isreal, Rev. Kim Moon, bloody hell even Robert Mugabe to a certain extent are white pigs.
Saddam was definitely a white pig .

Get it?

Infact I forgot that in this forum it should be McPigs not 'white pigs' as I was told off by a large majority of participants that they were caught up in steroetypical thinking.

As for my affection to Jewish people I would like to let you know that this Staurday I am going out with a Jewish person who is fit and beautiful....of Yemeni origin. I cannot stop thinking about it.
Do you wish us well or what?

Anyhow as JTC would put it McPig==white pig
Nothing to do with race. It is not my fault that most british people are McPigs.

Bassman, will you accept it if I were to tell you that you are a McPig....as in a braindead child of colonial/corporate fuckup?

Ram, your anti-Semitism is disgusting as is your racism.

too many 'isms' here. I guess you are pissed off by my sexism too. I was merely pointing out that the MLK's quote is prooven to be hoax and you should stop quoting a hoax.

You must be roughing it out in the streets too long waiting for that illusionary music break!!!

If one is to accept the "logic" of what you are going on about, it would appear that that bunch of dear old true Jews above could be anti-Arabs and what they talk about is only a cover for anti-semiticism (of the Arab flavour)?

It does appear so schizophrenic and I know nowadays schizs are turned out of hospitals into the streets and every other one of them is an ex-Elvis Presley.

There are not always enemies or "people" against you or Jews, out to get you or them.

Not all issues are anti-Jewish, some may be. That should not bother you more than attacks (real or imagined) against any other races.

Don't aspire to be a messiah or martyr. Even if you worship Tony Blair... (that's a joke, don't flip!!!).

Relax, sunshine, don't get your strings twanged so easily.

I think it's time for your pills, me ole son!!!

Ram, I do not acccept the epithet Pig or McPig or white pig. You do not know what race I am and it is irrelevant to our conversation. Well, "Some of my best friends are Jewish, Im even taking one out on Sat." Isnt that "white" of you to show your anti racist credentials by going out with a Jewish woman of Yemeni descent. She didnt happen to get ethnically cleansed from Yemen? Oh I forgot, only Jews do that. Well, treat that beautiful young lady well. To Sidney--I dont think its a mental condition for the Jewish people to feel a little paranoid about people wanting to kill them--its happened once or twice in their history, and if you read some of the Indymedia posts, If I were Jewish, I might start feeling a little uneasy.

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Yemeni Jews were got rid off more for "religious" reason and due to the agitation by the Israeli government.

Now that they are in Israel they are treated as "blacks" by the other ("white") Jews. If you have lived in Israel you would find the discrimination really incredible. Interestingly, Yemeni Jews are regarded by some as the "original" or "real" Jews. And if they are discriminated by skin colour, I must say many of them are very fair!!! (And very beautiful - I went out with several of them and I can only love them madly...).


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As you speak only for (some?) Jews, you don't seem to realised (going by what you said, ie. number of times in pogroms) gypsies (all the time, what have you said about the discrimination by UK happening all the time), Chinese (pogroms for centuries, 17 million wiped out in WWII, recently in Indonesia...), Armenians, etc etc. You seem fixated by a certain group only.

Wake up, sunshine, there has been many holocausts!!! Russia (23 million), the Congo at the turn of last century (10 million).

At least make some hypocritical noises about these instead of mainly for one group (playing on terms "zionists". "anti-semitic" and all that to divert from issue that today the state of Israel is a criminal and genocidal one), and using that umbrella crap " I am against all racism" (but hardly knowing about racism suffered by any other groups.

If you read (or hear) the rants, and if you can afford to be on the net more (when you actually work rather than waiting to be discovered) you will find the horrendous racist stuff about the goys and blacks by Jewish groups as much as racist stuff and all about them.

A more precise statement about the poor Palestinians from you would be useful to clarify your position - you do really go on attacking anybody AND everybody who speak against the Israeli atrocities against Palestinians as people with evil intent against Jews. Do come off it!!!

You should ponder the wise words of Yehuyashua Liebowitz, a Jewish professor about "yesterday's victims become today's victimisers". Do read up more and even better try to know more by actual interactions with others (Jews and goys).

Fer G_d's sake, not only one group can only be victims and not only "the others" can be victimisers.

Get your mindset right before condemning others. As a probably third-rate "musician" (I am amazed you have time here - all my musician friends have too much work and I even go out with them...) and you seem to appoint yourself a judge pontificating, spouting, etc one-sided biased rubbish while condemning and judging all but yourself!!!

Get off the damn streets, take your pills and stop being a blooming yok and disappointing mum!!!!

Attack the messenger. You make my point--there are so many atrocities in the world whether in the Congo, Rwanda--why the focus on the Jews on Indymedia? I am not here to defend Israel--if Yemeni Jews are discriminated against--I think that is bad. So, Yemeni Jews get thrown out of Yemen--Blame it on the Jews. who are you to say who is a real Jew? That comes direct from neo nazi propoganda. By the way, Ram is in England, I believe. If you are so concerned about oppressed groups-- the Romani, the Tibetans, Coptic Christians in Egypt, slavery in the Sudan--why the obsession with Jews? Why not post re those groups. As far as your ad Hominum attack on me, I live in LA and do studio work--make a really good living there. You might even recognize me from album and tour credits.

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Why indeed! You seem to be the only one who appoints himself to "defend" one particular group. I have not seen the obsession of yours applied to any other than one group. So blabbing baloney about other groups as you go along reveals your true position.

You are not aware of the grotesque discrimination against the Yemeni (AND Ethiopian, AND other Jews) - perhaps you ought to read up on that and make more friends as I advised.

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And why not YOu post re those and stop ranting exclusively for one particular group for a change as you criticise others here. (Btw, I don'y know who Ram is and I don't know and do not really wish to know where he is from or not, sorry...)

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Can you cite the sources of those "neo nazi progaganda". I understand "neo nazis" to include zioNazis too. Indeed who am I to say who a real Jew is - who are you to say who am I to say who a real Jew is??? Been playing the critic and judge too long to realise what a downright plain sod you are???

I am very happy to read of the Satmars and those from Neturei Karta. I have met these people too. I doubt you have.

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Sorry I don't listen to street buskers and any ole monkey can make albums and go on tours. And even if albums are sold and tours are overbooked, it never mean the performer is good either (except in commercial chickenshit operations where number of halfwitted tonedeaf fans count as loadsamoney!).

In other words, sorry I don't know who you are and frankly do not give the worm's ass if I should know. I don't believe your boasts as the lack of humility which is a true artist's hallmark is plainly absent in you. Sorry I have to waste space here demolishing you but I don't swallow your brags which is a dead giveaway that you are a nobody waiting to be discovered and who tries to find meaning in life "defending" the undefendable because something in you probably tells you you need to save some others and be some kind of messiah. History has a lot of nutters like that and I really hope you are not one of them out loose.

Keep taking the pills, sunshine, and don't exhaust your fragile self inflating your little ego on a bored audience which you never get elsewhere.

Well I live in Devon and am a prominent member of the Cornish independent movement. OK, I am not really in Cornwall but hey one need not be in one place physically campaign for rights and fight against wrongs... agreed?

Now moving on.....
the oppression of the cornish by the english pigs is not worthy a cause to aggressively populate the IMC-UK newswire with.

Get it?

Especially when there is real shit happenning in Isreal we the Cornish People's Liberation Front (CPLF) do not wish to commit a crime by taking the focus offa real genocide in Palestine.

Bassman, if you really care about the paranoia in Jewsish minds about 'peopel wanting to kill them' (which is wrong) then you could do a lot of good by turning inwards and weeding out the war criminal elements hiding within the Jewish soceity and fuelling the hatred and genocide.

You could always start with a campaign to rename JINSA into ZINSA (Zionist Institute of National Security Affairs) for starters. Then all feedback will be welcome in IMC-UK, I am sure, as a constructive input towards resolving the Isreal problem.

TO Sydeney...: Keep going ...but may be I should pass on the advice from one Dirty Squatter....watch your long sntences and maintain them with punctuations, commas and similar crap. There are lot of braindeads in this newswire who judge you by your style of writing etc.
Also please drop the worrying McPigginess on people on the streets. I am homeless myself you see! rgds.

<<The founding of the Zionist state is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Torah which forbids the establishment of a Jewish state and commands Jews to remain in exile until released from that exile by G-d Himself, without any human intervention, at which time all Nations of the world will live together in peace. <<

hahahahaaa
What ? On this 'progressive'' site you dare quoting some very tiny FANATIC ANTI-GAY AND ANTI-WOMAN RELIGIOUS SECT. You are mad !
What is the next step ? To post some similar crap from Jehowas wittness ? Or maybe mormons ?
WHO REALLY TAKE SERIOUSLY WHAT SOME THEOCRATHIC FANATICA SAYS ?

p.s. everybody knows that all nazis are anti-zionists

"All Nazis are anti-Zionists"? Perhaps.

But that doesn't imply that "All anti-Zionists are Nazis", which is the incessant retort from the right wing whenever anybody dares to criticise Zionism.