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Immigrants 'behind crime wave' - police

Kamal Ahmed | 19.05.2003 10:19

Claim by Britain's most senior officer sparks new asylum row

Immigrants 'behind crime wave' - police

Claim by Britain's most senior officer sparks new asylum row

Kamal Ahmed, political editor
Sunday May 18, 2003
The Observer

The row over Britain's asylum policies took a new twist last night when Britain's most senior police officer claimed mass immigration has created a 'whole new range of crimes' threatening to overwhelm towns and cities across the country.
In comments which will spark a debate about whether genuine asylum seekers are being used as a cover for criminal gangs, Chris Fox, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said the mass movement of people around the world had brought new levels of organised crime, with drug dealing, gun offences, prostitution and kidnapping.

Claiming the numbers of asylum seekers coming to Britain had reached 'tidal wave' proportions, Fox said: 'Mass migration has brought with it a whole new range and a whole new type of crime, from the Nigerian fraudster, to the eastern European who deals in drugs and prostitution to the Jamaican concentration on drug dealing.'

'Add to that the home grown criminals and we have a whole different family of people who are competing to be in the organised crime world,' he said in an interview with The Observer ahead of Acpo's annual conference this week.

Fox said that he did not blame genuine asylum seekers, but some towns and cities were struggling to cope with the influx. 'The mass movement of people has made it worse. It is accepted that [if] people do move for security, safety and to avoid terror, among them there will be people who aren't moving for those purposes.

'Similarly, gangs see a chance to earn money by moving people and getting people into countries without going through all the checks.

'This mass movement brings with it the opportunity for criminals to move and to make money.'

In the wide ranging interview, the widely respected Fox also revealed that:


Many new officers on the beat were inexperienced and still learning the job. Forces too often were not getting the best performance from the recruits.

Police suffered from being set too many government targets.

Forces too often failed to think long term and sought too many hidebound short-term solutions.
Cyber crime was a growing problem, though new Home Office resources and better ways of working with other countries' police and Europol were helping.

Fox's comments on immigration, which will again put asylum at the top of the political agenda, echo those of a report by the influential House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee.

In an investigation into asylum published earlier this month, the committee said the large number of asylum seekers entering the country was threatening 'social unrest' and had to be curbed.

'Every time you get a new group you get more tension,' said Fox, who is chief constable of Northamptonshire. 'The eastern European, Afghanistan, Middle Eastern movement has had the most effect - it is such large numbers of people.

'If you think of where we were with asylum seekers two years ago, if you look at Sangatte [the Red Cross base near Calais which was a gathering point for British-bound refugees] and the movement there, it reached a high level, a tidal wave.'

He said new Home Office rules had helped stem the flow, but the jury 'was still out' on whether more needed to be done.

'My personal view is that this is a small island. We have some very, very intensely-populated areas and I think we have to be careful just how we let the mix develop,' he said.

'It's healthy that we've got lots of different people, but if you go into some of the cities, looking at the North, Bradford simmers, Blackburn simmers. It doesn't take much to disturb the balance, and I think we've got to be very careful to make sure that we're not overwhelming our current infrastructure.'

The British National Party won its first council seat in Blackburn at a by-election last autumn. Bradford has also suffered a series of riots linked to race in the summer of 2001.

The Government is expected to reveal fresh statistics this week which will show a rapid fall in the number of asylum applicants.

Kamal Ahmed

Comments

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Bullshite

19.05.2003 12:58

This is the most racist bollocks I've ever read. Arrest this Fox for lying hate-crimes.

Dodgy


No Platform for Nazi's

19.05.2003 20:57

Actually the cost to every tax payer is around 20 pence.
And figures produced by the home office show that the immigrant population creates far more wealth for the UK than it takes out
More people leave Britain every year than enter it. The only time in recent history when immigration has exceeded emmigration is in the 1950s (a time incidentally when we had full employment!)

Lewisham 1977


Where do the numbers come from?

20.05.2003 01:38

Sources, anyone? £200,000 and 20p I mean, seem convenient figures to me. As for the 7p comment, not only is it pathetic, I think you'll find that's potentially a two year prison sentence for inciting racial hatred (Public Order Act 1986).

Vol14


Always blame the victim

20.05.2003 06:44

I heard one spokesman put a different spin on this: Asylum seekers cause crime by being victims of it (being beaten up by yobs, getting mugged, etc.)

This is the kind of crime those racist thugs above are probably in favour of. Maybe they are sore they didn't get to visit Iraq as very unwelcome immigrants to that country.

gobshite


I am all for immigrants

20.05.2003 09:06

I don't know if I should always listen to the odd PCplod or two about just about anything!!!

All I can say is that I am all for immigrants. For a start those among them (even those who do not have the necessary skills to start with) do brilliant jobs in place of those over here who are happy to take advantage of the social benefits paid for through the hard work of people like myself. There seem to be no shame among this lot who are happy spending their time in the pubs using "immigrants" as scapegoats for their laziness.

I have used immigrants/asylum seekers/aliens/foreigners for work on my home. They do excellent job, work hard, caring, and have great pride in their work (in other words they are not cowboys). They are also honour-bound and would always come back to put things right. Many are willing to give things they have never tried a go and to be paid only if I am happy with their work. Because they are so willing to make the most of life they try harder. A spirit totally missing in many quarters of our society.

I should not forget the many immigrants/asylum seekers etc who are well-qualified and even over-qualified. Britian needs people like these. And the immigrants again do excellent work (and dare I say, without the kind of nonsense cost). Frankly, the fact that these immigrants are very intelligent they can eat the BNP for breakfast any day (and vomit) if we put them side by side with the Sun-reading no-IQ BNP thickos.

Many can speak English better than most of the BNP's supporters. I would not be embarrassed at all with immigrants than I would be with the low-lifes of the BNP (why would I wish to be with them I ask myself and vomit again...!!!).

Give me an immigrant any time!!!
And I know many who would be happy with that.

(I like their food. culture also, so call me biased!!!)

Enoch Powell


classic!

20.05.2003 09:17

'forcing out traditional British gangs'

Well that's a new twist on the standard anti-asylum rant; these nasty foreign gangsters are being mean to our nice non-threatening traditional British gangsters, who presumably are gentle boys wot never done nuffink wrong and love their mum... classic!

I can see the interview now: 'yeah, well, Ronnie may have nailed my head to the floor, but at least he spoke English while he did it, know what I mean?'

-


Yes it is true

20.05.2003 09:20

Britain welcomed the Albanians because Britain was and is interested in their region and because of the Kosovo hankypanky that Britain was deeply involved in (political nad ieconomic interest disguised as humanitarian adventurism).

And the gangs as you put it even organised the kind of traffic they wanted to enter Britain.

Blaming "Albanians" is too easy.

Those who sowed wild oats reap the whirlwind!!!

Some ("immigrants"?) would call this karma.

Having said this, it is simply daft to label a whole group as criminal - there are plenty of Albanians doing work that the indignant brigade here wouldn't do - I have come across a lot of dustmen who are Albanians whom because some of us are ignorant cannot be branded as criminals (just because some of us have a bit of a nasty racist streak and because we get up on the wrong side of the bed every morning...)

I would simply call immigrants human beings and try to help them. And why not? The more I use myself for others, the more use I can make of myself.

Criticising "immigrants" is simply too dirty for my head. You pollute yours if you want too and stop there.

Cause and Effect


'ang on a minute, guv!!!

20.05.2003 09:27

>>>

Ronnie never did spoke no English!!!


The "foreign" "immigrant" gangsters speak better English than he never did, 'now wot I mean?

Kosovar Cosh lashes out


Yes its about space -

20.05.2003 16:13

- space between the ears of some!!!

What a load of codswallop this stuff about "space". Britain has a lot of space apart from those vast void in the brain buckets of those with low IQ.

Go outside of London and you can see vast amount of space. And a lot of these space are owned by very the very few.

As far as "immigrants" are concerned, there are plenty of space (if that be an issue!) vacated by those fed-up with living here and have gone to invade other space elsewhere.

It may not be about race (for some, the post above seems to have confuse colour and race, but there you go...) but it has plenty to do with the inability of the very small minority who cannot accept people with "quaint" customs and habits.

If you ever venture outside your bedroom you will see how our lot live in other land - many with taking the wide space between their ears abroad and not tolerating those people of other land.

I think it has plenty to do with having some kind of inferiority complex often disguised as "superiority". And inherent racism disguised as concern about welfare, culture, space, etc etc etc...

so its mostly being about being moronic and with an opinion not backed by sober thinking.

Since the influx of "immigrants" the food flavour here has improved. We even copy those "foreign" food. This is only one of the many things that has improved.

Yes, I am all for the foreigners, immigrants and what-have-you.

And yes, I vote for more space for them.

Vast space between the ears of some that can be developed by them foreign types.

And for the good of the rest of us too!!!!!

Space Cadet


adventures in space and time

20.05.2003 16:55

The other problem with the 'overcrowding' argument is yes, the population is now 58 million.. but twenty years ago the population was 60 million!

kurious


how to oils the wheels of the fourth reich

20.05.2003 18:52

Its about space and profit, espeacially profit. In britain we have a rapidly dwindling stock of council houses and public owned flats etc. In this day and age we all need to make a fast buck. Our councils policy of creating council housing list log jam, does have a purpose, which was clearly demonstrated by tory whatherface Dame shirley twinset, who ensured council houses/property in her borough were left to rot not repaired, becoming derelict thus uninhabitable to all, these were then sold off to big buisness private property developers,(which she had directorship of) at low cost. Private property speculators then moved in to redevelop the site, building luxury penthouse executive private properties well out of the price range of joe bloggs, making said private property developer loads of dosh and creating a housing list log jam. Leaving guillible Mr and Mrs hateanasylumseeker to wrongly deduce that them horrible refugees have jumped the housing list, pushing Mr and Mrs blameawog down the housing list. When it actual fact the council has sold off its public housing stock to private property speculators in an attempt to make a fast buck, forcing Mr and Mrs blameawog to turn to private rental property speculator pals of the council for housing.

Similarly as the government privatises the welfare state, resulting in less money for the NHS and the education system. Mr and Mrs hateasylumseekers levels of suseptability to Government 'divert attention onto refugees spin' will rise, resulting in Mr and Mrs hateascapegoat blaming asylum seekers, refugees and anyone that looks foreign for everything under the sun, when in fact they should really be blaming our corrupt greedy useless politicians, the rich and big buisness fat cats.

Mr and Mrs blameawog


Get a grip and don't be illogical

21.05.2003 11:21

Your argument is illogical, certainly not based on common sense, since when have the idle rich had any common sense or concern for the environment and countryside. No new roads have to be built to accomodate refugees/asylum seekers, most refugees and asylum seekers can't drive cars. Refugees and Asylum seekers do not build skyscrapers, luxury apartments and executive office blocks which destroy our skyline, multinational companies and big buisness executives like yourself do. Multinational companies and big buisness corporations are responsible for polluting and destroying our atmosphere and environment, not refugees/asylum seekers who don't own any polluting companies. The reason people become displaced in the first place is due to multinational corporations colonising and expanding their empires into third world countries to exploit desperate third world peoples and take advantage of lax health, safety and union rules. So to stop refugees/asylum seekers it would be common sense to curtail our own governments destructive incursions into foreign countries in the first place as they pave the way for multinational companies expansion. People like yourself actively encourage refugees and asylum seekers coming over here, by sending them confusing messages, such as yes we do care for you, thats why we have intervened militarily in your countries, so guillible refugees are given misleading confusing signals and assume all british people must be just as kind and not mind them flocking over here since we've been soo kind as to intervene militarily in their countries.

Andre


Don't encourage the "Realist"

21.05.2003 13:17

"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye, the more light you shine on it, the more it contracts" - Oscar Wilde.

I wouldn't bothering arguing with "Realist", its a waste of time, you should just ignore them, "Realist" likes to wind people up with their remarks, "Realist" is not a realist he's just a conformist!

Miss Point


Realist

21.05.2003 16:26

Get back to your Daily Express and your reruns of Alf Garnett on the telly.

Put your feet up, light your pipe and have a nice cup of tea.

Maybe those nasty foreigners will go away.

Twit.

*Anyone* should be allowed to come and live here, so long as they take an active part in civil life, through work, socialising, politics, whatever. If people want to be part of Britain, we should welcome them. There's plenty of room - if you looked more closely at Birmingham and Manchester, you'd realise that there are thousands upon thousands of empty houses that could be put to good use with just a bit of hard cash to tidy them up. The idea that Britain is overcrowded is pure Mail/Express bollocks.

Bri.

Brian


Realist hiding again

21.05.2003 20:50

Realist is not living in the real world at all, he so cowardly and slimy he can't even admit he's a nazi and racist, whats a matter 'unrealist' scared?? too scared to declare your backward racist views. You can carry on illogically blamiing refugees, asylum seekers and foreign looking people for all the ills in the world, it still doesn't make it the truth or facts, just old nazi lies. Face facts and reality for once in your sad miserable life and stop blaming innocent helpless refugees, just to distract us from the real scum in our society, the sponging idle rich, multinational big buisness corporates, greedy corrupt politicians, and dog eat dog uber capitalist fat cats whom you look up to and lick arse for. E210L9 80.178.69.120 forward 012.net.il

Cleo


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