latest from delegation to irak

fuck realist- listen here...

02.06.2003 14:54

http://www.globalradio.it/articles.php?lng=it&pg=1488

streaming audio from the caravan in iraq

geo

Realist is spouting his bullshit again. Most people will know what bullshit it is so there's no really point pointing out the obvious truth, but, this is something quite interesting, in 1990 (I think) a British investigative journalist was kidknapped by the Saddam regime and he was imprisoned, tortured, etc. He may have died, can't remember. Obviously all the right-wing press and the elites over hear were outraged right? Nope. The Sun/MI5 smeared him, and they all went on about how investigative journalism was basically espionage and he got what was coming to him.

nin

The snak crocodile

02.06.2003 16:58

Realist has done it again, it seems he cannot but talk out of his backside. Crocodile, stop it you are only showing your barbaric face. The more Iraqis and Palestinian ..etc, which you kill, and you humiliate the more you will pay.

The DT journalist was a spy so is his Irish female friend. He was spying on how many Iraqi engineers and technicians have been killed in the massive explosion south of Baghdad then. Unfortunately only him was executed. Even the DT admitted that he was and as usual many high-ranking British are not innocents. These things are as trivial as the instructions, which have been given to you and others to try to win the British public over. But as you can see and hear from the majority who telephone the radio and the TV that nobody is buying it. The question is, is it Mossad or the UK services, which you are working for. I suppose it does not matter.

The Drainage of the Marshlands was planned since the sixties and the British companies were licking our backsides to give them jobs but we did not. No doubt the project was accelerated and expanded after the 1991 revolt. But as you can see that the water-covered lands has been converted to agricultural lands and your stinking occupying forces are now refusing to refold it because there is oil fields there.

The UN does not exist; it will only exist after the veto rule will be eliminated. So let them pass as many decisions as they want. Why do not they issue a decision against you; jews for killing their president in the 1940. Since when you have approved of the UN? How many decisions have they passed against your stinking and criminal occupation of Palestine? How many decisions have been stopped by the veto of the criminals of the “security council” (it is the terrorist council) Your UN did not issue any decision to occupy Iraq, it is the uk/usa and their jewish masters who have taken the decision to occupy Iraq several years ago because Iraq by its people and leadership has been always anti imperialist and we will get rid of your occupation no matter what and regardless of whether saddam is dead or alive. And whether WMD existed or not and whether it will be given to alqauda or not. You will see how many of you will stay in our area you leeches.

Immediately after the war with Iran has finished we have called on the Arab Leaders of the Arabian Gulf states to close your military bases and stop dealing with you but the cowards and the traitors have refused. This is one of the main reason behind the destruction of Iraq in 1991.

jaafer

I am not a comme

03.06.2003 17:28

You know I am not a comme you bloodsucker. If people like you will be allowed to rule the world, it will be after everyting in it will be dead or rather killed by you. This is why you have to be stopped. May be if you are faithfull to your ideas you should start by setting an example by sacrificing yourself to the cause. This is what wil happen to the life if you are allowed to rule. So just bypass your time and age and just do it.

Jaafer

Realist is a paid police disrupter

04.06.2003 04:01

Realist is a real police officer, paid by the Canadian Police to sit in a dark dreary room and troll the IMC to disrupt. He hasn't been out in six months, and is angry since he's not allowed out to shoot rubber bullets or tear gas at protestors and anti-capitalists.

Ignore him. We do in Ontario.

stop war

Realist misses the point (again)

04.06.2003 11:26

Realist, whether or not the war on Iraq was justified is irrelevant to this posting. What matters is whether it is right for soldiers to threaten to shoot unarmed civilians who pose no threat to them.

Miss Point

Realist

04.06.2003 12:34

"Realist", (I trust you name refers to the concept of political realism or realist international relations?) you are simply wrong.

The invasion was simply not justified. Mr Rumsfelt's problematic disconnection between mouth and brain has resulted in his exposing the lack of good reason behind the invasion. Here in the UK, the Prime Minister is under a great deal of pressure with even the Conservatives accusing him of having misled Parliament and the public. The war was supposed to be over weapons of mass distruction, which seem not to have been there at all, and the reports of which are looking increasingly likely to have been fabricated.

Your bravado is very entertaining, but you ultimately have to be 'realistic' about where you are coming from. The British and U.S. governments are subverting democratic processes, press freedoms, and the liberties which enable people to protest against the government. The democratic rights that people in the US and UK fought and died for are being systematically ignored. The point of Ya Basta and the ISM is to extend these rights that to others who are less fortunate (mainly due to British and French imperial policy, such as in Israel/Palestine). So what are you? Against democracy? A fascist?

Lee

realist's nature

04.06.2003 12:35

This Realist chap is quite obviously a wind-up merchant and i'm surprised that so many of you take him so seriously.

Dr. Daventry
mail e-mail: dricy72@hotmail.com

Take me seriously

04.06.2003 14:18

You take me seriously because i am telling the real truth. Something you can find in any reputable newspaper like the Times or Telegraph.

Realist

realist = cowardly shit

04.06.2003 16:22

you're obviously BNP or one of that lot. Another armchair general. Big words from somebody hiding behind their PC.

mark

too bad

04.06.2003 19:28

Too bad for that delegation. Don't they understand the concept of a war zone. After all, Italy was a war zone as we freed it from the nazis in the 1940's. There are still hostilities in Iraq, so we have to keep these unrealists out. They will be allowed in when we are ready to have them in.

Right on realist.

Bob
mail e-mail: cheroitaliana@hotmail.com

What on earth is Realist doing here then...?

04.06.2003 23:14

"You take me seriously because i am telling the real truth. Something you can find in any reputable newspaper like the Times or Telegraph."

That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Thanks Realist :) LOVL

rikki

more than justwhat ?..

05.06.2003 08:18

Ok realist is driven by his ears and eyes but he should use his brain too

Economical sanctions against iraq tortured and killed much more people and children than Saddam.

The country was disarmed since many years and there was no weapons of mass destruction (but we have plenty of them and we used them already in japan and in vietnam) and Saddam had no relation with the 11th september incident.

Earing Bush talking about Iraq it was clear a long time ago that we would attack them anyway and that he was preparing the public to it, spreading the fear by tv and forging the collective subconscious for an uniform response, as usual.

It was not a war against a dictator but an oil rigs takeover. Only the oil ministery was protected by troops during bagdad occupation and while the cameras were shooting iraqis looting the town, us soldiers were looting the oil - far from cameras.

Not talking about chili, panama, cuba, japan, vietnam, and other countries we "helped".

Bush did not win the elections alone. He had some strong financial support. Now he has to give something back in return.

Bush has not been elected democraticaly ! Lets restablish the democracy in our own country before looking so far.

And stop the multimedia terrorism !

Zweistein

re - rail this thread, please

05.06.2003 10:49

why rise to this proffessional spammers bait? Another thread derailed... these spammers are utterly ignored on other countries sites, lets do that too, and meanwhile think about solidarity for those beaten by the troops

Phatpat

After Saddam, who's the next ogre realist??

05.06.2003 18:59

Realist, it's best that you learn that you can't just accept what they say in the papers, and CERTAINLY not in the Telegraphe or Timezzz.

Here in belgium the polls showed 85 percent against us-uk war, because the belgian media is at least not afraid of showing just what MESS and SUFFERING the Us pigs have caused all over the world in 'liberating' the world from communism, maoism, terrorism.

The tactics of the US administrations is, and always has been, to create an ENEMY to distract the attention of cnn of the failing inland-policy. Wether it is the ayatollah, Fidel, mao , stalin, saddam hussein, arafat you name it, they're happy when they have a clear image of a evil enemy.

US have tried to force their precious 'regime changes' in
CHili, Panama, Guatemala, Cuba, Greece, Central-Africa, Vietnam (While helping the regime of the 'Khmer rouge' coming to power in cambodja, Venezuela, and Iraq, all in the name of power and money, their countless victims are called 'collateral damage'. Then i say: the people that died in the WTC, X times less then us has caused in the world, is that also collateral fucking damage?!!

DONALD RUMSFELD SHOOK THE HAND OF SADDAM HUSSEIN IN BAGHDAD IN 1983 FOR FUCKSAKE, the hand of the man he calls the new Hitler. But they weren't afraid of giving (YES GIVING) chemical weapons to Saddam hussein during the war with Iran, public enemy number 1 at that time. The 5000 kurds who where murdered by Saddam? Yes, but do people know that those chemical weapons were fired from AMERICAN heli's. A little present from US hu? There is strong evidence that us used SARINgas against a Laotian Village during the 'Nam, AND they are still the only country who EVER used nucleair weapons. And that government, who should BE CRAWLING OF SHAME AND BEGGING FOR FORGIVENESS(wich i wouldnt grant) are telling the whole world: We're allowed to have those weapons, and israel too, but you can't have them or we'll bomb u to hell!! GIMME A BREAK..

I could go on for hours, but i'm sick of it, now i won't waste any more words on you, GET INFORMED

USA--->ROT IN AGONY!!!

BELGIAN BLOKBUSTER

rezzo

Provocateurs

05.06.2003 19:28

People, realist is a provocateur, his only aim is to provoque...

in some way, to comment his "yes sir" statements may generate some debate between us and that can be positive, but let us not give too much importance to them...

realist reminds me of some fascists i know, their only aim is to provoque, because otherwise they get no attention from anyone, so i just ignore them completely. maybe it's the best thing to do also with people like realist.

amor e anarquia, david, portugal

david
mail e-mail: daolso@hotmail.com

Thanks to people like the Realist

06.06.2003 03:30

Thanks to trolls and provocateurs like the Realist here who go around disrupting discussions on sites like this one or various anti-war blogs, I decided to stop wasting my time debating and take action instead. Hence, my work now with IMC.

Thank you Realist and keep up the good work ;)

To the rest of you here: Join a local grassroot organisation, volunteer your free time and skills, take action. You are not isolated - many thousands share your concerns and views.

In Solidarity
-BK IMC

Brooklyn IMCista

Thank you Realist

06.06.2003 03:32

Thanks to trolls and provocateurs like the Realist here who go around disrupting discussions on sites like this one or various anti-war blogs, I decided to stop wasting my time debating and take action instead. Hence, my work now with IMC.

Thank you Realist and keep up the good work ;)

To the rest of you here: Join a local grassroot organisation, volunteer your free time and skills, take action. You are not isolated - many thousands share your concerns and views.

In Solidarity
-BK IMC

another IMCista

A point of shame, do they feel it?

06.06.2003 14:22

The good thing about Realist and people like him is that they are being shreded every where they dare to voice their false opinions. While they might be victorious in their minds and in their dreams but they are finding that they are the idoits and they are the defeated not us. I am not talking about the law of the jungle here.

Bob;another one, talking about war zone and it them;us/uk who decide who goes in or not go in. Again this the law of the jungle, even those who did approve of the "UN" the un did not approve of the war. Who decide to go or not to go in to Iraq is the faithful Iraqi government. Have you heard of the Iraqi resistance? How come you are not deciding that?

The point is does those people have sense of shame or not?

Jaafer

Tired ov revolving argument

06.06.2003 14:58

Have any of you guys read any Alice Miller? If you haven't then you are operating on much less than half your capability to effectively bring positive change to our world.

Her fundamental point is that a "poisonous pedagogy" has been at the core of our various cultures (Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc). Poisonous pedagogy is the kind of teaching and thinking that allows an adult to beat and to humiliate a child and then tell that child that the beating "is for your own good". AS the US/UK have said that this latest war is for your own good, to the Iraqi people.

It is the kind of thinking that views "GOD" as a punishing, ever watching entity to whom we are eternally indebted.

Co-ercion is the hallmark of this reality. Co-ercion has many faces. Look in the mirror and clear yourselves of your co-ercive thought-forms. Only then will you be able to rise above the arguments.

In the meantime all praise to those who place their necks on the line, in order to speak up, to face up to the truths. The "realist" is just another sick (sic) individual, who exists inside all of us.

lookie

new boss like the old

06.06.2003 23:29

look at the new boss just like the old boss.

Zeed

Welcome to Halliburton-land

08.06.2003 16:22

The occupation of Iraq is proving to have that peculiar smell of a quagmire.

Would I call it "Vietnam in the desert?" Not just yet, but we seem to be heading in that direction.

The colonial administration....oooops, did I say colonial administration...the military administration is paranoid right now. No more and no less. The massive buildups in areas resisting US domination is clear proof of the desperation setting in. Regiments of US troops to quell "Baathist insurgents?" Sounds like Da Nang in 1969 to me.

That the activists were stopped is sad, but I think they got off lucky. They could have been "disappeared" and I don't think the Berlusconi junta would have uttered one peep of protest.

I hope media services and watchdog groups get into Iraq by any means necessary and keep the situation reported. It is my worst fear, and indeed, my greatest dread that my country will use the young troops who already have gone to war over lies to commit atrocites rivaling the very worst of Milosevic, the worst of KLA, the worst of the Bosnian/Croat holocaust in the name of keeping the peace, and try to hide it by not allowing media coverage. Lastly, I do not think such outrages are beyond Bush or any of his gang. For them, the ends justify the means.....the price, paltry to these people.

boilerman10

UK Indymedia