HEINZREPORT
by Jean •




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Is Indymedia sponsered and financed by Islamic Groups? If this is the fact the Indyamedia in not longer indendent


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HUMANRIGHTS 50 YEARS
by Jean •




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I kneww it
by Canadian • Friday August 16, 2002 at 05:38 PM



Thanks Jean! I always suspected that IndyMedia was being hyjacked by pro-Arab and pro-Palestinian groups. Now we know they have a vested monetary Interest in manipulating the human rights and political activist groups.


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Standard operating procedure
by timzan • Friday August 16, 2002 at 08:01 PM



Does this mean we get to be an "alleged" front for terrorism? And they close down another site whose only interest is the truth..


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Canadian should think twice....
by Courage • Friday August 16, 2002 at 08:18 PM



"Now we know they have a vested monetary Interest in manipulating the human rights and political activist groups."

Well, fellow Canadian, we don't really 'know' at all. All we have is one report on another 'indymedia' site. Have you checked their funding? The source of the story, the details surrounding the money transfer, anything?

Doubt is the chief weapon we have in this day and age.
Use yours.


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canadian and all the rest
by brian • Friday August 16, 2002 at 10:59 PM



is this another deflective tactic? Everyone knows the power of the zionist lobby in the american media. Now you say, islamist groups are behind indymedia,and by implication, our views!
I didnt know i was being funded by pro-islam groups? For my views are pro-palestinian. Please provide more direct evidence that the pro-palestinian people on this site are so funded


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You'll turn blue waiting
by Frames • Friday August 16, 2002 at 11:07 PM



"Please provide more direct evidence that the pro-palestinian people on this site are so funded"

Please, I beg you, don't hold your breath. The funny part is that dupes like 'Canadian' will hold this flimsy evidence up as 'proof' that the whole Palestinian is just an orchestrated propaganda ploy when the idea that a few Indymedia outlets could even compare to the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by Israel and the pro-Zionist lobbies in the U.S. on media manipulation, and influencing elected and non-elected U.S. officials. As if the stature of Indymedia (no offense) is remotely comparable to the outlets that these groups fill with garbage, like CNN, NBC, the NYTimes, the Washington Post, etc., etc.

Doubt is a weapon - our last defense in this world where the collective 'truths' of society are more susceptible to indoctrination and manipulation than at any other time in history. We are less free of fantasies and concocted images than ever before, because our 'world' is dictated from external sources rather than from experience, everyday living, good ol' common sense.


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Some editing.
by Frames • Friday August 16, 2002 at 11:11 PM



My first paragraph was deeply flawed. Here's a correction:

Please, I beg you, don't hold your breath. The funny part is that dupes like 'Canadian' will hold this flimsy evidence up as 'proof' that the whole Palestinian cause is just an orchestrated propaganda ploy when the idea that paying for a few Indymedia outlets could even compare to the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by Israel and the pro-Zionist lobbies in the U.S. on media manipulation, and influencing elected and non-elected U.S. officials is absurd. As if the stature of Indymedia (no offense) is remotely comparable to the outlets that these groups manage to fill with garbage, like CNN, NBC, the NYTimes, the Washington Post, etc., etc.



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george
by weizmann • Sunday February 02, 2003 at 11:37 AM
 weizmann@mail.com


I am not surprised about the comments of 'Jean' and his statement that Indymedia may get funding from some anti-Israel or pro Arabian/Palestinians groups.
I have read the book from 'jean' which is also available i the UK and it seem that 'jean' knows' quite a well and well founded. Everyone has his Lobbyst and why not Indymedia? Only the funds should not be misused as a propaganda machine like under Hitlers time. If Indymedia would be or is only a free independent media, then - I am surprised that jeans comments are banned.
Weizman, Switzerland, Basel


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CAMP JABOTINSKY
by CAMP JABOTINSKY • Sunday February 02, 2003 at 01:58 PM



A quick overview of Zionist smear techniques...

The Zionist Hate Machine

As Israel becomes more aggressive in its stance against American dissidents (including possible attempts at assassination http:// http:// http://  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/United%20Press%20International%20Israel%20to%20kill%20on%20U_S_,%20allies''%20soil.htm), we thought it might be beneficial for Americans to get a small glimpse into the world of Zionism's favorite weapons: LIBEL, INTIMIDATION, HARASSMENT, and DEATH THREATS. Recently we saw the very effective Scott Ritter, opponent of war with Iraq, smeared by the Zionist hate  http://www.stop-fascism.org/cyber_scum.htm machine. Our own websites have been targets of Zionist hate. In fact, most websites opposing war against Iraq or publishing material critical of Israel's treatment of Palestinians have received similar campaigns of Zionist hate. We hope that by providing Americans with this small sample of Zionist hate, Americans will be better prepared to separate truth from slander.
The Will to Hate:
Links to Zionist Enemies Lists:

Enemies List 2001, July 6
 http://www.thejewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=178
Campus Watch Snitch Form
 http://www.campus-watch.org/incident.php
Rat Pack
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/enemies.html
ADL's Definitive Guide to Extremism in America Now on CD-ROM (ADL promises to hand list of Anti-Government Patriots over to the FBI)
 http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4072_72.asp
JDL Enemies List
 http://www.jdl.org/enemies/nazi/
PIG OF THE MONTH
 http://www.jdl-florida.org/16.htm
KLANBUSTERS HANDBOOK (Obviously we don't like Nazis too, but this list contains many non-Nazis)
 http://www.jdl-florida.org/18.htm


This issue is central to the Resistance. The fascist regime of George Bush constitutes the Israelization of American politics. Americans that stand up against the Bush Regime implicitly stand up against Israel. In the past, those of us who stood up against imperialism were seldom the targets of libel, harassment, and accusations of bigotry. The Zionist movement, however, is founded on the false equation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. History shows that no noble pursuit against the interests of the Zionist state will escape the smear campaign of Zionist hate mongers, for the smear is the primary weapon of choice in Zionist circles. Awareness of this weapon and how it is used is essential to the self preservation of the Resistance. Only by understanding the Zionist hate machine can we hope to inoculate ourselves against its effects.


Examples of Zionist Smear Campaigns

A smear against antiwar.com:
 http://www.antiwar.com/

Smear
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/Antiwar.html

"Justin Raimondo Watch".
What is Justin's crime?
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/raimondowatch.htm
Speaking the truth and doing it well.

Smear against Ramsey Clark
What is Ramsey's crime?
Fighting for justice and doing it well.
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/ramsey_clark.html


Another smear against Ramsey Clark
 http://jdo.org/clark.htm

Smear against Brian Becker
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/BRIANBECKER.html

Smear against Women in Black
Crime: Protesting peacefully against injustice.
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/women-in-black.html


Smear against E.A. Richards
Crime: Speaking out against the murder of the US Sailors aboard the USS Liberty, an American Ship bombed intentionally by Israel.
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/e_a_richards.html

Smear against Alison Weir
Crime: Speaking out on the Israel/Palestine conflict.
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/weir.html

Smear against Scott Ritter
Crime: Being an effective opponent of war against Iraq.
 http://jdo.org/ritter.htm

Smear against Adam Shapiro
Crime:Eating with Arafat, being a peace activist, including Palestinians as friends.
 http://jdo.org/nkshap.htm

Smear against Al Sharpton
 http://jdo.org/sharp.htm

Jewish and Zionist Hate Groups

JDL New York
 http://www.jdl-ny.org/

Jewish Defense League
 http://www.jdl.org/

Jewish Defense Organization
 http://www.jdo.org/

JDL Florida
 http://www.jdl-florida.org/18.htm

Organizations and Individuals that Create Zionist Enemies Lists

Jason Maoz:  jmaoz@jewishpress.com

Campus Watch:  staff@campus-watch.org

Daniel Pipes of Campus Watch:  meqmef@aol.com

Daniel Pipes, director of Campus Watch:
Hate Monger?
You decide...
 http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article714.shtml


New York JDL:  TheNEWjdlbklyn@aol.com
(Warning, if you contact the JDL, do so anonymously.)

Jewish Defense League:  jdl@jdl.org
(Warning, if you contact the JDL, do so anonymously.)

ADL:  washington-dc@adl.org

JDO:  judeam@jdo.org
(Warning, if you contact the JDL, do so anonymously.)

Other Useful Links

Israel Lobby Watch
 http://electronicintifada.net/v2/israellobbywatch.shtml

Hatemonger Daniel Pipes Starts Campus McCarthyism
 http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=104&contentid=633

The Watchers
 http://www.runestone.org/lep5.html

Is the Anti-Defamaton League of B'nai B'rith Spying on You?
 http://abbc.com/adl/balt.htm

JDO Training: Sounds like one of Osama's operations...
 http://jdo.org/contact.htm

CAMP JABOTINSKY (Named after a famous Israeli Terrorist)
 http://www.jdo.org/jab.htm


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racist anti-zions needs a good (jewish) psychiatrist
by DESPERATE ANTI-ZION's PARROTIZATION • Tuesday February 04, 2003 at 08:16 AM



Correct,
no one in your list was (are) "terrorists",
as they didn't killed anyone.

Compare it with a real terrorists ( militant
islamofascists) -
who kills million civilians deliberately all over the world.

more over you're cheating - you post the same links a hundred times


The "famous Israeli terrorist" Jabotinsky is dead more than 60 years ago, long before Israel.

"israeli terrorist" without israel ?? . Really funny.
ROFL !!
How old are you ? 12 or 13 ?

Your maniac repeating over and over again the same distortions never make it true.
It doesn't matter you believe me or not.

You point out your racist ideology (anti-zionism) more than I ever could.
thanx.

Sincerely -
tovarich muslim



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Millions ??
by outside the whale • Tuesday February 04, 2003 at 08:29 AM



"who kills million of civilians all over the world." Muslims have killed "millions"?? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? Rush Limbaugh?


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Yeah Tovarich..
by timzan • Tuesday February 04, 2003 at 09:03 PM



And the DEBKA site is there only for people of the Jewish persuasion to kvetch...If the Israelis never take the blame, then they are blameless in your world..Lord knows the Palestinians are to blame for everything from rap music to bumps on pickles in the Western arena..Everytime I go to work at the airport and put up with these bogus TSA inspectors confiscating tweezers and sporks, I have to laugh at what a wonderful job this Bush junta has done with our sense of security at the expense of the Palestinians and Muslims as a whole...Ask anyone you know who works for an airline if they can tell you how many Irish Republican Army operatives are on the latest no fly list..They get one guess and it rhymes with zero!! Funny how Mohammed Attas name appeared way before 2000. Or maybe that was the "Know-Fly" list for him.. Meanwhile, the Dupes like yourself just stumble along nodding your heads and reading the FOX ticker so you can know what to believe at the water cooler in the morning..Its almost at the pathetic stage my friends..


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WHAT JEWS REALLY THINK.
by WHAT JEWS REALLY THINK. • Wednesday February 05, 2003 at 11:53 AM



JEWS: IT IS TIME TO LEAVE THE UN

If you support the United Nations, and do not support
the NKM's campaigning for Israel to leave the
accursed UN, then you also are supporting the
following things.

THE UNITED NATIONS DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE
EXISTENCE OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

The United Nations in its latest condemnation of
Israel in the October Security Council called Ariel
Sharon's walk on the Temple Mount as the instigator
of the violence. But more then this condemnation they
referred to the Jewish Temple Mount
with a foreign pagan name, and totally leaving out the
fact that the First and Second Temple's were there
and the Third Temple will soon be built there.

THE UNITED NATIONS DOES NOT RECOGNZIE
ISRAEL'S CAPITAL JERUSALEM.

The United Nation does not recognize the Jewish
capital of Israel as Jerusalem. Not only do they not
recognize our capital they call our capital that was
liberated in 1967 as occupied. They also regard Jews
who live in the Holiest Jewish city as settlers and thus
perpetrator of war crimes.

THE UNITED NATIONS DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE
LAND OF ISRAEL.

The United Nations does not recognize the Land of
Israel as the land, which G-d gave to the Jewish
people for an inheritance. The United Nations
believes that this land is the property of everyone
except the Jewish people (Hence why the UN daily
interferes with internal Jewish matters) and those
who live in certain areas of Eretz Yisrael are war
criminals.

THE UNITED NATIONS DOES NOT SUPPORT THE
JEWISH PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE.

The United Nations routinely condemns the Jewish
peoples right to self-defense. Every single time that
the Jewish people fulfill the commandment of "kill
those that come to kill you" which Israel does in rare
occasions, and are called "assassinations of
innocent people by the UN leader." It is clear the UN
does regard suicide bombers as innocent as long as
they only target Jews.

HE UNITED NATIONS SUPPORTS BRINGING 5
MILLION ARABS INTO THE STATE OF ISRAEL;
THEREBY SUPPORTS DESTROYING THE JEWISH
STATE.

The United Nations in the form of the UNHCR and
through several resolutions that call upon all
"refugees" (and children of refugees) to return to their
homes in the Jewish State support the destruction of
the State of Israel. These refugees who number
between 5 to 6 million will destroy the Jewish State,
economically, physically and democratically. Those
who support this measure do so only because of one
reason; they support the destruction of the only
Jewish State in the world.

THE UNITED NATIONS CONSIDERS THE
TREATMENT OF ARABS IN ISRAEL EQUAL TO THE 6
BILLION JEWISH VICTIMS OF THE SHOAH.

The United Nations in the Durban conference which
will be held on August 31st in South Africa will declare
that the treatment of the "Palestinians" who reside in
the Land of Israel are being treated the same way as
the Jews were by the Nazis. This means that either
the Arabs claims that Israel has opened gas
chambers, which they so far haven't, or they claim that
the Holocaust never happened and 6 million Jews
were not killed.

THE UNITED NATIONS CONTINUOSLY
INTERFERES WITH ISRAELI INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

Over the past 53 years the United Nations has
repeatedly interfered with internal Israeli internal
matters and with Israeli sovereignty. Whether
demanding Israel stops its counter-terror operations,
to condemning Israel for expanding the municipal
boundaries (to the western side) of Jerusalem.

THE UNITED NATIONS HAS ONCE RULED ZIONISM
IS RACISM AND IN THE FUTURE WILL ONCE AGAIN
BRING THIS INTO LAW.

While this may seem hard to believe that the United
Nations has called Zionism racism, as opposed to
the Arab countries that do not allow the
"Palestinians" to work in the majority of fields, it is
fact. The United Nations has voted on a motion to call
Zionism racism. Not the Zionism of Sarid, Peres and
Rabin, but the true Torah Zionism that calls for Jews
to live in the land in its entirety. The Zionism, which is
not based on who is the Prime Minister, but a true
Zionism; the Zionism of Torah has been equated with
racism and in the future will once again be equated
with racism.

WE MUST LEAVE BECAUSE ONLY AN ANTI-SEMITE
CAN SUPPORT THESE THINGS.

JEWS: IT IS TIME TO LEAVE THE UN

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READ THE ABOVE TO SEE WHAT JEWS REALLY THINK.
Link here:
 http://www.newkach.org/special/israeloutnow/ifyousupport.htm

by the way, take a look at the rest of the material from
the newcach.org site but be warned: you might puke.


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