...about the Jewish people! This is just more anti-Semitic zionist bilge!

The effect of the Versailles treaty. That is what created Hitler, his actions enabled the establishment of Israel, now the disease seems to be being passed on. There is a difference, a suicide bomber is determined to die. The soldiers who enlist to fight for the Capitalists expect to be able to kill many with minimal losses to themselves.

Not really relevant to the bullshit Dan has been listening to, but the world might be a better place without Religion.

But remember that the disease is the result of the work of Politicians.

Suggestions needed on how to cure the disease.- and prevent its recurrence. There was a book writ about 1890 - "Civilisation, its Cause and Cure" that might be a good start.

Dan, fascists like Stop NYC and a good deal more Indymedia 'I'm a leftie but Hitler had the right idea' types *know* that the goal of Hamas et al is to exterminate every Jew in Israel.

Not only that, they *agree* with Hamas.

Stop NYC is a degenerate little nazi unable to contruct his/her own ideas, hence the baby tantrums and continual posting of the website of that tiny and ridiculous group.

There is a difference between "propsed" genocide by Hamas, and actual goenocide by the IDF. The "peace process" will never progress because the Mossad won't let it. It's your leaders, American, Arab and Jewish who you should be fighting, not each other.

um, the Jerusalem Post is a Likudnik rag, not *exactly* a beacon of truth hehe...

note chronology put together by someone below
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Who started what? A chronology

Before recent events get lost in the sands of time and obfuscations of propagandists, let's just try and look at the timeline. -- [name deleted]

(Based on information from Ha'aretz, Ma'ariv, Electronic Intifada, Los Angeles Times, Arabia.com.)

Wed, June 4
Aqaba summit
Abu Mazen: "We will act to end the armed Intifada"
Israel commits to end "closures" and to dismantle "unauthorized"
outposts (Peace Now claims 117 unauthorized outposts have been created since 1998)
Israeli incursions into West Bank injure more than 20 civilians

Thu, June 5
Israel assassinates 2 people in the West Bank, also killing 3 civilians
Israeli settlers establish new "unauthorized" outpost near Hebron
Israeli settlers, among them a government cabinet minister(!), evict a Palestinian family at gunpoint in Jerusalem and occupy their house

Fri, June 6
Hamas tells Abu Mazen they're breaking off cease-fire talks

Sat, June 7

Sun, June 8
In a coordinated attack in Gaza, Palestinians kill 4 Israeli soldiers, no civilians
Abu Mazen talking again to Hamas leadership, meeting to be held today or tomorrow
In another attack in the West Bank, Palestinians kill 1 Israeli soldier, no civilians
Closure reinstituted

Mon, June 9
Israel begins dismantling "unauthorized" outposts -- plans to remove
15, almost all uninhabited
Hamas announces willingness to reconsider dialog with Abu Mazen

Tue, June 10
Removal of "unauthorized" outposts halted, court to hear cases
Israel assassinates 2 in Gaza and West Bank
Israel attempts to assassinate high-ranking Hamas political leader
Rantisi, kills 3 others including bodyguard and 2 civilians
Rockets from Gaza fired into Israeli town

Wed, June 11
Hamas suicide bomber attacks bus in Jerusalem, killing 16 besides
himself, injuring 70
Two Israeli assassinations actions in Gaza kill 11 including at least 6
civilians, injuring dozens

Dan (+friend): If, as you claim, all Muslims, Arabs, socialists, peace campaigners, and most Europeans and South Americans are Jew-haters, how exactly do you propose to deal with that? You going to kill us all?

I remember a few months ago a Belgian court (NOT the government) saying that, once Ariel Sharon leaves office, he could be subject to court proceedings for war crimes (if I remember rightly, this was for the Zionist/Falangist unpleasantness at Sabra and Chatila back in 1982).
The immediate response of the Zionists was to start a tirade about "anti-Semitic little Belgium". Really, it is very tiresome. Thinking you can get away with any crime as long as you can pin a Star of David to it and label those who call you to account anti-Semitic.

a few years ago a group of jewish peace activists made an advert to be shown on tv showing yasser arafat expressing his acceptance about the un resolutions on isreal/palestine.

this advert was banned by the isreali authorities because the isreali goverment had declared arafat a terrorist, so under isreali law, nothing could be shown on television which undermined the governments claims.

Seeing as morons like to call Israeli defence actions and 'Palestinian' terrorism equivalent, perhaps it's about time they WERE equivalent.

Israel should form Hamas like groups with the objective of killing every 'Palestinian' fuck in sight until they go back to Jordan/Egypt/Syria where they came from.

The purely defensive actions of Israel obviously aren't enough. Not enough 'Palestinians' are dying for them to get the message.

End the kid gloves the 'Palestinian' are treated with and start getting the message across.

Israel will be there forever.

No bout a doubt it the Israelis are miles in front when it comes to the PR side of genocide. They can attack civilian
targets, palestine aint got no military, kill all sorts of people and then absorb the media criticism while at the same time turning the bullshit button to max and coming out with piles and piles of total shite. From Dan right here on indymedia through all the press to the top TV channels it's incredible every detail in every single media outlet.
Wosn't it Hitler who said just keep repeating the lie and it becomes fact .. well done guys you seem to have it of to a T. One thing becomes blatant Israelis don't have scruples !!

By way dan Left and Right are just to different ways of shafting the people. it's the two parting system lefties use their left hand to part the left cheek of their arse ..
BNP types use the other hand and repèat the process ..
comes under the heading of divide an rule, civil wars***
available on request.

*** Religious disputes take precedence ..

i wont even comment on Stop NYC's "anti-zionism".

> a suicide bomber is determined to die
U forgot to mention that in doing so, he/she tries to murder as many innocent Jewish civilians as he can. in fact they dont care if they murder non-Jews either, just so long as some Jews are murdered at the same time. in some cases it's done because of hatred of Jews, in others it's because they've been brainwashed to believe that killing infidels in the name of Allah will send them instantly to paradise with 72 virgins. u forgot to mention that too.

> There is a difference between "propsed" genocide by Hamas, and actual goenocide by the IDF.
What IDF genocide are u referring to? the only IDF genocide is in your imagination. this post has a similar flavour to those claims of "massacre" in Jenin. the claims that were proved to be complete bollocks, remember?

> The "peace process" will never progress because the Mossad won't let it.
replace "Mossad" with "Hamas" or "Arafat", and u've hit the nail on the head.

> It's your leaders, American, Arab and Jewish who you should be fighting, not each other.
U'd be better off fighting the root causes of terrorism. Namely Arafat, Assad, Khamenei, House of Saud, bin Laden, Saddam Hussein... etc.

The "timeline" is extremely debatable. No mention of the Hamas statements to continue the "armed intifada" (ie. terrorism) in direct defiance of Abu Mazen's statement at the Aqaba summit. No mention that NO ACTION was taken by the PA since the Aqaba summit to dismantle Palestinian terrorist organisations. No mention of the proposed extermination by Hamas to remove all Jews from "Palestine". No mention of Rantissi's "prediction" that Israel will be destroyed by 2025. No mention of the countless terorism alerts received by Israeli intelligence before, during, and after the Aqaba summit. Emphasis on civilians killed accidentally by Israel during strikes against known terrorists, but no mention that Israeli casualties were innocent civilians, targetted DELIBERATELY on a civilian BUS. Total injuries of the Jerusalem bus bombing were over 100, not 70 as indicated. Overall a biased report with information omitted, presumably deliberately, for propaganda purposes.

> Dan (+friend): If, as you claim, all Muslims, Arabs, socialists, peace campaigners, and most Europeans and South Americans are Jew-haters
Where did u read this "claim"? I fear u cannot read properly, or cannot comprehend what is being said.

Crimson Repat's post was completely irrelevant, and avoided the original poster's question. I won't comment except to repeat again that Zionism is defined as "A policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews". I now ask him to explain why he is an 'anti-zionist'??.

> this advert was banned by the isreali authorities because the isreali goverment had declared arafat a terrorist
Again, a completely irrelevant post. But anyway, a similar policy was enforced by the UK government against Gerry Adams. Policies like this are enforced throughout the world by governments at war or fighting terrorism. what's your point exactly?

> They can attack civilian targets
U mean terrorist targets.

> palestine aint got no military
No, they have terrorists instead.

> turning the bullshit button to max
U think the pictures of the Jerusalem bus bombing yesterday and all previous civilian massacres were bullshit?

> Wosn't it Hitler who said just keep repeating the lie and it becomes fact
Yep. and with people like u constantly repeating false statements such as "Jenin massacre" or "genocide", u're practicing Hitler's philosophies. well done, u've got it off to a T.

> One thing becomes blatant Israelis don't have scruples
One thing becomes blatant, u are a racist fool. do u think all Zimbabweans "don't have scruples" because of Mugabe, or all Iraqis "don't have scruples" because of Saddam Hussein?? the Israelis take no shit from terrorists, and will not stand idly by while their people are slaughtered. i think that's what u meant to say.