Steve, you also forgot to ask:
"What am I doing spending Saturday afternoon engaged in futile discussions about things that interest no one at all except those in the pub with me, when I could be getting a barrel of Tetley's down my neck".

why talking about two terms which don't fit together anyway.
This whole talk smells like a recruitment agency for voluntary paper sellers.

Boring fuckin politics
Yaaawwwwwwwn.....

Do the workers really want to hear it??


Yours in Class Compromise
(good luck in all your endeavours!!)

Class shouldn't matter, should it? The important thing is that we're fighting for an egalitarian society, free of exploitation and hierarchy. It's more important where you're at, not where you're from. As long as we're all trying to head in the same direction, that's all that matters. All this class-war bollocks is nonsense. There has never been a shortage of right-wing, racist, and narrow-minded working class people out there, whose opinions and information on the world are provided by only by The Sun 'newspaper' (or at best, the Daily Mail). We should show solidarity with the oppressed people of the world, but having a 'revolutionary' working-class party would be just a wasteful, divisive distraction from the real issues. If we smash capitalism, we can have done with the class system, once and for all.

Finally, I used to describe myself as working class, but now I just describe myself as 'me', because saying you're proud of being working class is like saying you're proud to be a slave. Stuff all classes.

All the ruling class have been tellingus that the class struggle is dead.
The anti-war alliance (including "prties" like the SWP) and the Social Forums play their role in that by refusing to explain that war and misery stem from capitalism - a class system run in favour of a minority class against the vast majority - the working class.

Like someone said "The great are only great because we are on our knees". The party is neeeded to help change that situation by building awareness and helping the workers of the world to "Turn the world upside down".

Whether you agree or not please come along - It's got to be better than forming blocs with phonies like Galloway, manipulators like the Trotskyist/Stalinist/Castroists, or spouters of religion.

When will the authoritarian left realise that the days of The Party are over. The working class can see through the bullshit. Party politics are dead, let the dinosaurs lay where they fell. There's a future to win, and authoritarian party politics has no place in it.

Class is important because if you are born into a poor family you are less likely to be able to make money, when the bad times come around it is the poor that are more likely to loose out. The upper classes screw over the middle classes and the middle classes screw over the working classes and the working classes screw over anyone that is smaller than them.
Who writes the sun newspaper? i doubt the working class do.

Another party, another meeting, another paper aint the answer surly there is a better way that you can prove to people that the left means buisness. There are alot of discontented people out there, of which i am one and what i would like to see is an actual alternative, something different from the tried, tested and failed formula of meeting --> party --> paper --> revolution.
I would surgest stuff but i dont think that it would fit with the bolshevik rhetoric, therefore it would not be accepted.

Well said there Earnest.

If the left gave up on their history of hierarchical organisation after organisation and woke up again in the C21st, then they might have something to offer non-university educated people more than just recreating the doomed Bolshevik experience.

At least the 'No War but the Class War' brigade are sticking to their guns. All the trots (SWP etc.) seem to do is the headless chicken-run, jumping the next flavour of the month bandwagon to keep their imaginary spirit of 1917 alive.

I suppose discussing stuff on here has the potential to reach far more people than a dozen blokes throwing ale down their throats in a smokey old pub. And if its not the young and sexy that the proposed Revolutionary Party is wanting to attract then why base yer meetings in some pretentious part of town when the real people you want to win over find themselves in more desperate parts of the city. Or are class struggle revolutionaries wanting, for now at least, to attract the already exhausted left who have the resources but not the real life experience?

Why do you all bother commenting on the newswire? At least make some attempt to analyse the issue of the role of a party/organisation in revolution, rather than simply ranting. The common declaration that the SWP/StWC doesn't link war and capitalism is simply false, as you would know if you had ever actually attended one of their meetings. The other common complaint that the revolutionary left shouldn't 'dilute' itself by engaging with Labour party members or Islam is just pure sectarianism, and very akin to the Stalinist position with regard to the fascist threat in the 1930s - they declared that the SDP were 'social fascists' so refused to form a United Front against the Nazis. As history has shown, that wasn't a good long term strategy. People have to realise that the revolution is not imminent, and in this situation, revolutionary groups have to engage with the reformist left, otherwise they are simply talking shops.

Enough already..its obvious that we need a Class (not Party) based organisation.. the comments about the SWP are laughable..especially now as they have publically crap'd on women & gay rights & have PHYSICALLY attacked other leninists who have at least some principles about that!
In Birmingham in the Euro elections of 2004 we are facing the Hate Party of the SWP/Muslim Association of Britian (the british arm of the fascistic Muslim Brotherhood)..i want to know what are anarchists going to do about it? Stick their heads in the sands for fear of the SWP (the SWP for chrissake!) callin' em 'islamophobic' or will you make a stand?

CHANGE IS CONTINUOUS A.K.A COMUNIQUIE NOUGHT

Every circle has a start and an end here we simply think we have concluded the
revolution of this circle and need to move on find new pastors meanwhile
change is constant something we all need at times.
mozaz on the demise of urbanparanoia

False gods

Bastardise solitary confinement on concrete canvas in colours of deception
with sculptures of hate. The wound pours poison into a burning retina
blinding forgiveness and re inventing propaganda. Reality sodomised in sands
of time. Meanwhile we masturbate to the sound of inbred hypocrisy castle in
the chains of corruption and raped by monochrome stigmata. The blackened vain
of guilt forge an act so violent that purity is molested by icons of filth
and blood soaked revolutions is this the future you desire?

Foster

In times like these you learn to love again

Foo fighters.

Sat in our suburban homes / being abused / beaten in children?s homes. Crass /
The Dead Kennedy?s and others became our political (biased) view on the world
a means of dealing with our psychosis and the shit of our daily lives. The
explosion of punk caught us and spat us out so with a sneer and some glue we
pasted together the first copy of collectableanorak (this was around 96 /97).

Here the history is a past and we have no need to repeat. One day in time we
might put on the rose tinted specks (but don?t expect too much as we prefer
to hug trees nowadays?) and take a look back at the history that is now
collectableanorak. Here we simply need to say goodbye thank you for reading
and leave you with these words 'There is no authority but yourself?,

Knock and ye shalt enter.

The kingdom of heaven is within you. We know enough of the sickness of the
world, we should be careful not to add to it through our own physical and
mental exhaustion and ill health. If we are ever to achieve our shared
objectives we must each of us be strong enough to do so. We have all failed
and we have all succeeded. This is no tail between the leg ending, and a
proud, albeit painful and confused, beginning.

By mid February (2004) we will have re-printed anarchy by Errico Malatesta. We hope
to print 1000 copies for distribution. Anarchy is an excellent introduction
to anarchy.On Line here: (  http://urbanparanoia.co.uk/rants/anarchy.html )

Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking,
"without government": the state of a people without any constituted
authority.

Before such an organisation had begun to be considered possible and desirable
by a whole class of thinkers, so as to be taken as the aim of a movement
(which has now become one of the most important factors in modern social
warfare), the word "anarchy" was used universally in the sense of disorder
and confusion, and it is still adopted in that sense by the ignorant and by
adversaries interested in distorting the truth.

We shall not enter into philological discussions, for the question is not
philological but historical. The common interpretation of the word does not
misconceive its true etymological signification, but is derived from it,
owing to the prejudice that government must be a necessity of the
organization of social life, and that consequently a society without
government must be given up to disorder, and oscillate between the unbridled
dominion of some and the blind vengeance of others.

The existence of this prejudice and its influence on the meaning that the
public has given to the word is easily explained.

Man, like all living beings, adapts himself to the conditions in which he
lives, and transmits by inheritance his acquired habits. Thus, being born and
having lived in bondage, being the descendant of a long line of slaves, man,
when he began to think, believed that slavery was an essential condition of
life, and liberty seemed to him impossible. Like the workman, forced for
centuries to depend upon the goodwill of his employer for work, that is, for
bread, and accustomed to see his own life at the disposal of those who
possess the land and capital, has ended in believing that it is his master
who gives him food, and asks ingenuously how it would be possible to live, if
there were no master over him?

You are free to be opinionated:

Excuse our paranoia it?s based upon our reality of people we have come into
contact with over the years.

Based upon arguments with self-important people about our self-importance.
Meetings about meetings. You get the idea we guess.

You make every effort to change only to be named arrogant by those looking at
their reflection to check if their statement of discontent is still in place.

Only to be offered violence by those who belief this is anarchy. We state
behind every joke is serious intention. Humour is used to mask the real truth
of what people want to say but haven't the conviction of their fucking
arguments to say them direct. We offer no apologies for who we are, what we
have done.

If we hurt, like the truth, if you consider you are the one who we are
speaking about. Then consider you are not that significant. We are speaking
about all people we have come into contact with during the years. An
observation of the here and now. So before you get the wrong idea here is
something we would like to make clear.

We have printed this small edition of collectableanorak (past communiqués)
(with the help of others) to share our thoughts about what is going down this
is our truth as we see it. You the individual reading this hold your own
truth we accept. We all come to where we are here through shit that happens
to us as people. Our convictions, anger, thoughts on the world are due to
other people?s influence.

No matter how much we would like to suggest we are individuals, truth is, we
are a reflection of other people around us. There are many rumours about us
as individuals and through the whispers they become distorted, re-invented to
meet the agendas/paranoia of those who cannot accept us as an individuals in
our own right.

Yes we are a contradiction; it's called being human. Indeed we can all excuse
who we are and what we have done. Truth is, we have to deal with what we are
and what we have done in our own time and not be pushed into doing something
we might later consider to be wrong. As individuals we have no regrets about
any of our actions/what we have done, they become part of us and make us the
persons we are today. We are not going to apologise for other people?s fear
of themselves. We are not going to live in fear of attack be it physical or
verbal. We are not going to seek your permission to be us.

Part of this text from the first page of anarchy. Like revolutionary
self-theory this is a classic publication. So why come to end? Every circle
has a start and an end here we simply think we have concluded the revolution
of this circle and need to move on, find new pastors, and change is constant,
something we all need at times. Of course as individuals we will continue to
be active in our communities you don?t need a front to be pro-active. (But
sometimes it might help) Neither do we need to boast and massage our egos
about our past/future. Unlike the left, and sadly some anarchists, we do not
need to seek appraisal be patronised by the middle class (and to some extent
working class). We are moving back to our roots just doing the necessary
shit.

Once upon an unfortunate time: there was a big hairy thing called man along
with what was an even hairier thing called animal: man had a larger brain
which made him think he was superior to animals: some men said "we have no
need to work, instead we will kill animals to eat and so they did: man
increased and animals decreased: eventually leader man said "there are no
animals left to eat: we must grow our own food", and so man grew food: now
the only animals man had not destroyed were the tiny ones like rabbits and
mice, and these was caught eating mans crops: "theses animals are a menace
they must die" said leader man: in china they killed all the sparrows, in
Australia they killed all the rabbits: everywhere man killed all wildlife:
soon there were none, all the birds were poisoned and leader man said we are
free of all pests: man's numbers increased, the world become so crowded with
men they all had to sleep standing up: one day a man saw a new creature
eating his crops the creature's name was starving people: "this creature is a
menace", said leader man: "they must die".



One Love.
urbanparanoia we are of to hug some trees.