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Please leave for sometime for a good majority to understand what is happenning behind IMC-UK. The more these kinds of internal activism is needed the more pathetic our whole website's credibility becomes.
Even if Chemtrail is the most controversial conspiracy theory around IMC's guidelines clearly allow for such persecuted views to be given a chance for intelligent people to judge for themselves.
https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/10/278966.html applies to this post.
Please leave for sometime for a good majority to understand what is happenning behind IMC-UK. The more these kinds of internal activism is needed the more pathetic our whole website's credibility becomes.
Even if Chemtrail is the most controversial conspiracy theory around IMC's guidelines clearly allow for such persecuted views to be given a chance for intelligent people to judge for themselves.
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I strongly agree...
15.10.2003 15:57
thank you for your comment here, concerned. good to see it.
Paul :^)
I for one beleive in Freedom from Tyranny.
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the beauty of the web...
15.10.2003 18:00
jab
Dr Strangelove is hiding under my bed
15.10.2003 18:06
The reason your post was removed, I'm guessing, is because:
1) it damages the credibility of IMC-UK as a source of serious alternative news
2) there are serious, real issues to be dealt with
3) the whole chemtrail thing is a total joke
4) what you posted wasn't news
5) it wasn't supported with any explanation or evidence
6) the chemtrail myth has been completely and irrefutably debunked so many times only an cretin would carry on ranting about it
7) I quote: "CHEMTRAILS I CAN SEE THEM IN THE SKY". I can see you tearfully rocking away in the corner, whispering to yourself about the voices. It's nothing to be ashamed of, but you should know there are people that can help you.
I suggest if you do wish to carry on with the chemtrail nonsense you stop abusing IMC-UK and produce a scientific, reasoned, referenced article that will, as you mentioned, 'give the people the chance to deside for themselves'. You ranting "I CAN SEE THEM" is a waste of everyone's time, including your own.
As for the 'three stages of knowledge', no 'knowledge' stays accepted for long unless it can be seen to be either useful or reliable, or both. So far none of your posts move towards that aim - in fact, they've been entirely counter-productive.
Seeker
INFACTUAL
15.10.2003 18:13
Chemtrail conspiracy de-bunking sites:
I understand your point that even un-reported stories desreve an airing but frankly i've seen probably 20-30 chemtrail stories on the indymedia network and not a single one of them has been convincing.
PS
The editorial team would probably treat your information more seriously if you approached them on the editorial list rather than posting these 'censorship stories' which are'nt really stories at all and which further devalue the newswire.
Mayler
there must be a reason
15.10.2003 22:33
It's a feeling of identity with those activists out on the street, being there sometimes,but, when the movers and shakers have it your face their purpose and methods, wanting people who are choosing the right targets, to provide the information on what society is really about, on how discrete targets join up to provide a picture of where we're going and what's happening, on a level that doesn't correspond to the Daily Terror main media perspective.
The question is 'Do you want to live in a literally-fascist global society in debilitated slavery with ongoing race-annihalation?'
If so keep your eyes shut and mutter 19th century socialist or anarchist adages
If not WAKE UP. It's there before your very eyes every minute.
It's high time this issue was made big
We reserve the right to report the truth here
However much the agents deride them as infacts, a nonsense word resembling infarcts - a heart attack-related word
Beware reader, I could give you an infact
dh
the militias
15.10.2003 23:07
Carol counted ten EFFers in there, messing up the feds who were lining up to slaughter Stanley and his compadres and to use that as an excuse to declare martial law.
There were five Europeans in the bunch of us who were destroying the fed agenda around Stanley, which was the best news for me.
Many of us weren't using any devices at all this time.
ONe of the nice things about the Constitutionally-mandated State Militias is that they've mostly figured out how to keep the federal agent provocateurs out of their ranks since they all formed after the mini-holocaust in Waco, Texas. In the early days it's well-known that about forty percent of the militia members were paid agents.
Soon after they formed, it became clear, too, that the demographics of the militias represented the demographics of America. For instance, when I was living in St. Louis in 1996 I learned that the commander there was a Jewish lawyer; the commander in Ohio was a retired, black, Air Force general and the militia in Louisiana's membership was made up of roughly equal numbers of blacks and whites, including many Muslims. In one of hte militia meetings I attended in Mt. Vernon, Washington there are Chinese, Indians and Mexicans and, according to the clear text of the US Constitution, every man over eighteen who is not a felon, a government official or member of the National Guard (there is no mandate for a standing army in the US Constitution) or Navy is automatically considered a member of the 'Unorganized Militia' of any state. The specific purpose of these groups is to defend their communities against foreign invasion and out-of-control government. In fact, this out-of-control US Gov't has brought in countless thousands of foreign troops to enforce martial law, so the two things are really one thing,
The presence of the militias in the US is an awful lot like what's done in Switzerland, in fact ;-)
When I was a kid William Tell was honored as practically a national hero of the US for taking a stand against tyranny in Switzerland in the 1300s. I don't think my own kids ever heard of him in school.
Notice that only in the early years of the present militias, soon after the federal thugs slaughtered the families in TExas and blew up the office building in Oklahoma, did one hear of 'militia members' committing acts of sabotage or 'making bombs.'
These were the federal agent provocateurs, who were found out and kicked out in most cases and since the militias operate as cells, the federal agents never had a chance to incite a significant number of people to destroy property. I remember that if anyone were to suggest, in a militia meeting, an act of sabotage or unprovoked violence that person was summarily expelled from the meeting and from the activities and his name was spread far and wide.
It's getting easier and easier to identify agents these days--have you noticed? We were at a meeting recently in which an agent showed up, uninvited, and within a few minutes just about everyone knew what he was and some of us were playing him. Since nothing we do is secret there was no harm in having him there.
Carol said he reports to eight different people. She blasted the snot out of the federal jerks he reports to but we didn't do a thing to him, though she sent the energy rigth through him (that's very efficient, folks). I hope he shows up again so we can go after his masters some more in real time. He had been railroaded into prison for a non-crime, then extorted to spy for the sheissvoegel after a feigned murder attempt in his cell. He lives in a camper and travels around spying on activists' meetings.
Watch these poor schmucks light up when they think you're giving them news they can use ;-)
The scheissvoegel turn a LOT of folks that way. Since they own almost all of the judges, right up through the US Supreme Court, who unlawfully appointed President Cujo, this is easy for them to do, or at least it was easy before.
The deep underground facilities near Denver that were to have been the national command center for the Homeland Security Abomination during martial law had been severely gifted, by the way, by several people since we put the first HHg there in June, 2001.
Last night we blasted yet another new head of the HS Abomination into the next world just for good measure after cleaning the federal clock in Denver again. Carol said this one looked Italian, though he was an American. I don't know why they keep choosing humans for this job. If they stuck a reptile like Cheney or Condoleza Rice in that seat it would be more problematic for us because those are often androids, as far as we can tell. I think Chainsaw Cheney's got a raft of Cheneys lined up in a freezer to keep 'him' in front of the camera and for cannibalizing parts that break, like heart, liver, kidneys, brain, etc. I don't suppose a dried-up traitor like that has any use for gonads.
Truth is so strange these days that I fear for the livlihoods of science fiction, fantasy and horror writers. Maybe Stephen King will need to bill himself as a research journalist to keep a roof over his family's heads ;-) H.P. Lovecraft would have had a hard time breaking into the market these days.
Most folks who claim that we're entering a new paradigm don't consider obvious things like this and they seem to be rubbing their hands together, expecting 'organized religion' to bite the dust. As far as I can tell, organized religion is shifting right along with the rest of the enduring institutions, like marriage and parenthood, and on the other side it will simply assume a more viable, flexible and supportive form. The mental programming that supports hatred of 'religion,' marriage or parenthood won't fare as well, I'm quite sure. I find it amusing that so many people blame 'God' for the messes they both make and enable through their deep programming.
The weird thing about this informal network, to me, is that an inordinate number of 'new agers' and the 'policially correct' support and promote it, yet I'm diametrically opposed to most of the principles that are aggressively preached by this unfortunate group of proselytes. I think The Operators set that up as yet another demonstration that this is a grassroots effort, not a 'follow the leader' movement. I can't even stand to be in a room full of 'on the move' new agers or PCers ;-) any more than I'd stay in a chapel while a bunch of convulsing fundamentalists jabber away in fake languages.
I do believe, though, that if I weren't around to counter some of those expressions in the two former internet efforts you and I wouldn't have connected over the internet because this effort would never have escaped from obscurity.
Oops, I forgot to mention that Carol told me that today was to have been the day that the fed stooges were to assault Rick Stanley and his supporters in Denver. They were apparently all dressed up and ready to go.
I wish I had a picture of the 200 fat ninjas who assaulted that unfortunate young Arab student and his family in our little Northern Idaho town last March, when Carol and I were in Atlanta. The unarmed student was accused of credit card fraud, so if they used 200 heavily-armed thugs to deal with him, they've probably got about ten thousand similar bullies in Denver lined up to deal with a guy with a pistol ;-)
Do they round these jerks up in local, busted-up taverns and maximum security prisons, then dress them up and give them trick weaponry? Oh, yes, and they're given $40,000 salaries, of course, after a couple of weeks of training. That buys a LOT of cocaine and booze for these idiots. They probably get a discount, since their bosses import dope without paying any toll.
Homeland Security Abomination's eagle emblem is identical to the old Nazi SS eagle, by the way. I think the SS were more genteel and actually believed in something, strange to tell.
~Don
dh
Well said
15.10.2003 23:09
All this Bakunin and Goldstein stuff was for ages of the horsecarts.
This is the age of Taikonauts.
Even the aerospace industry is now going out of fashion.
True, the same old mass control of subjects through how they exist (what they intoxicate themselves with) might propbably be the same but it is dangerous to assume there is no change in tactics.
ram
I did not start this thread this time....
16.10.2003 00:25
as who ever they are calls themselves.
I only post as Paul :^) providing my email address when I think it appropriate.
this person obviously felt like posting here I did not incite them to do so.
I dont no concerned at all.
Now about your comment's:
>Dr Strangelove is hiding under my bed
whats that got to do with anything?
>"Gen. Jack D. Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously >conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
who said this you? not me. wheres this come from?
I never mentioned communism ever here or ever at all on Indy Media UK or on any IndyMedia.
And what is your oppinion on water fluoridation I ask?
I do not see it as anything to do with communism or communist's.
>The reason your post was removed, I'm guessing, is because:
>1) it damages the credibility of IMC-UK as a source of serious alternative news
I don't agree with what you say there Seeker.
>2) there are serious, real issues to be dealt with
It is a serious real issue to be dealt with in my opinion.
>3) the whole chemtrail thing is a total joke
I disagree with your statement there..
>4) what you posted wasn't news
I Disagree please See Here:
These are the definition's of news as defined by dictionary.com
News:
1.
a.
Information about recent events or happenings, especially as reported by
newspapers, periodicals, radio, or television.
b.
A presentation of such information, as in a newspaper or on a newscast.
2.
New information of any kind:
The requirement was news to him.
3.Newsworthy material: “a public figure on a scale unimaginable in America; whatever he did was news”
(James Atlas).
If what I posted on chemtrail's didn't match what this defintion defines then feel free to Please explain to me what you consider real news?
>5) it wasn't supported with any explanation or evidence
I did not feel that it was nessersary in that first post I made
regarding the Chemtrails Cover Essex, UK - link ,which linked to that paticular news source here:
I felt that was evidence within it self.
I had never posted, I might add, to any Indy Media Center before that first time article post.
>6) the chemtrail myth has been completely and irrefutably debunked
Just because its you and some other's see it as unreal does not mean it isn't real,
in my opinion.
so many times only >an cretin would carry on ranting about it
I disagree, I am not ranting.I am not a 'cretin' that's for sure.
I do not buy the debunking because sometimes you have to trust what you see and the countless info that backs it up. there are more website's that beleive it to be real than not, but of course i acknowledge that does not make it necessarily true.
If you were running a operation like the chemspraying you would want to cover your track's by debunking it too.
>7) I quote: "CHEMTRAILS I CAN SEE THEM IN THE SKY".
I can mate have done since the spring.
That was my second post after the first was removed.
>I can see you tearfully rocking >away in the corner,
WRONG, So wrong. what right have you got to diagnose mental health conditions?
absolutely none i reckon. i certainly wouldn't trust you to examine me.
>whispering to yourself about the voices.
more of the same nonsense as above from you 'Seeker'.
>It's nothing to be ashamed >of,
of course it nothing to be ashamed of IF IT WERE TRUE WHICH IT ISN'T!
>but you should know there are people that can help you.
oh I know that, and if I ever need help I'll ask for it,
I wont thank you for your concern as I don't appreciate it so don't don't bother!
>I suggest if you do wish to carry on with the chemtrail nonsense
as I said I don't think it's nonsese and many other people agree with me.
>you stop abusing IMC->UK
I do not think that I have abused indymedia UK at all.
>and produce a scientific, reasoned, referenced article that >will, as you mentioned, 'give the people the chance to deside for themselves'.
this is not my specialised area of knowledge so I i would not be able to accomplish such a huge task unlike the people at carnicom.com
But by pubishing a link on indymedia to a non commercial site regargding the chemtrail issue I have pprovided them with a doorway to accessing the information for the people who visit this IMC UK to do their own research and look into it more deeply if they would like to do so.
You >ranting "I CAN >SEE THEM" is a waste of everyone's time, including your own.
I did not consider it ranting. I was emphisising my opinion.
>As for the 'three stages of knowledge', no 'knowledge' stays accepted for long unless >it can be seen to be either useful or reliable, or both.
that's True there.
but, Knowledge is
1.The state or fact of knowing.
2.Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.
(This is true of my own witnessing of chemstraying and what i have seen on websites.)
3.The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned.
(Smae for my own expeirence)
4.Learning; erudition: teachers of great knowledge.
5.Specific information about something.
(I had specific info on the fact that I had seen what I perceive to be chemtrail's and a link to another website page of a man who had specific info and evidience on chemtrail's)
>So far none of your posts move >towards that aim - in fact, they've been entirely >counter-productive.
>Seeker
Please detail how you think my post's have been counter produvctive? in what's way's?
Tom/Seeker who you gonna be next?
I sounded just like tom in my opinion just changed his name that's all.
Paul :^)
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