On Thursday evening, we went to Marks & Spencer department store. On the way, the bus conductor wanted it known to the passengers that he was Moroccan. He went from seat to seat making a point of greeting passengers in Arabic, and animatedly chatting with women in traditional Muslim clothes.
He did make a point of grunting to those of us who were, shall we say, ‘traditional locals.’ We did not feel slighted, but, as we approached Oxford Street, he went to the front of the bus and told those of us seated at that end of the vehicle that “Marks and Spencer sell things and then send the money to the Jewish.” He then said what one assumes was a similar piece of useful information to a Muslim woman and both became rather agitated. The bus driver, a white-haired London Buses old-timer of decades standing, leaned out of his cab and with considerable irritation lectured the conductor on the history of the Holocaust and of the “Jewish.” As we were leaving the bus I could hear the driver and conductor arguing; the latter reminding the Englishman that all Marks and Spencer money goes to the “Zionist murderers.”
We then found ourselves in Oxford Street and outside ‘M&S,’ as it is affectionately known, was a contingent of policemen and women who were protecting a small group of young Jewish men who had set up a table with an Israeli flag. The men were further protected by a substantial metal barrier, to separate them from what can only be described as an hysterical crowd of hate-filled people of every shape and size. What was so depressing was that non-Arabs in the noisy crowd outnumbered those from the Middle East.
(Let me explain the background: For years, Palestinian groups have had a stall outside Marks & Spencer to protest the history of the Sieff family and to stop people from shopping at a store that stocks Israeli goods. The Palestinian young people are never attacked, and when Jews approach them, the most that happens is a lively discussion. To a lesser extent, its neighbour store, Selfridges, has had leafletters outside for years protesting the presence of Israeli wines on its shelves. One day last year, I went into Selfridges and accosted the first couple I saw. They said they agreed with the Palestinian leafletters and thought no “Zionist apartheid” goods should be sold anywhere in the UK. When I asked this otherwise charming English pair where they had learned the word “apartheid” in relation to Israel, they said they had read about it in The Independent and had seen “atrocities on the BBC.”)
I began to pick up snippets of shouts from this viscerally angry crowd. One woman in religious Muslim attire standing next to me -- actually jumping up and down -- screamed at the top of her voice to the Israel supporters, “You Jews destroyed my country, Iraq.” Someone asked her what Israel had to do with Iraq and she screeched, “You killed sixty of my family in Iraq.” She was asked how sixty Iraqis were killed by Israelis and she said, “Israel -USA! Same thing! And now you will take over Iran!” She became so agitated that she had to be led away by the police.
Then came the chorus of really quite terrifyingly angry English people with their shouted mantras of “You people invented terrorism in Palestine”; “Israel is expanding every day and will soon own the whole Middle East!” (doh?); “Israel is slaughtering thousands of Palestinians every day.” (Again, doh?)
But the crowning glory was an elegantly-dressed businessman next to me, who seemed normal except for the fury in his eyes. He said, “I love and revere the suicide bombers. Every time I hear of a suicide bomb going off I wish it had been eighty or ninety Jews instead of a pitiful handful.” He then went on to shout at everyone around him every time someone tried to speak, and had reached a point of hysteria – “You people have been trying to acquire land across the entire globe and will soon own every nation if you are not stopped!” – when, thankfully, a policewoman came over. One can think of some people who, had they been armed, would be in prison now, because his suggestion that not enough Jews are killed each time a bomb goes off “made one crazy”, as the saying goes, but we were pleased to see that the policewoman was making every effort to book him. (Imagine how far he would have got had he said such things in New York or Washington about Americans!)
What does this tell us about British society? Pim Fortuyn was assassinated because he expressed what were considered to be extremist views about the rise of Islam across Europe and in his native Holland. We have no objection to ethnic diversity, but we are sickened when we see British and Arab people united in such blood-curdling hatred of one very tiny minority. (Lest we forget, Jews are now outnumbered ten to one by Muslims in the UK.) What alarms us is the profoundly visceral hatred shown by the crowd on Thursday towards a mild-looking group of young Jewish men and bystanders supporting them.
Does this mean, as Melanie Phillips has said so often in the British press this year, that Britain is no longer a place where Jews may live without fear? Yes, we think it does. Our liberal friends will say that the actions of the Sharon government are making life hell for Diaspora Jews. Well, here is the crucial point: when Yitzhak Rabin was making peace and Israel was booming – and the Palestinian territories were beginning to flourish – terror bombs were exploding as often as during the dark days, and way back then, one's British hosts were saying the same unspeakable things about “you people invented terrorism in Palestine” and “hopefully, in the next war, Israel will be taught a lesson it won't forget...”
Sadly, we believe anti-Semitism is endemic in the world at large. We feel that our own spiritual home is the United States (we have given up trying to explain to European Jews why we feel as free and proud as Jews in the USA as we do in Israel), but were we as young as the men at the Israel stall on Thursday we would make aliyah
We then found ourselves in Oxford Street and outside ‘M&S,’ as it is affectionately known, was a contingent of policemen and women who were protecting a small group of young Jewish men who had set up a table with an Israeli flag. The men were further protected by a substantial metal barrier, to separate them from what can only be described as an hysterical crowd of hate-filled people of every shape and size. What was so depressing was that non-Arabs in the noisy crowd outnumbered those from the Middle East.
(Let me explain the background: For years, Palestinian groups have had a stall outside Marks & Spencer to protest the history of the Sieff family and to stop people from shopping at a store that stocks Israeli goods. The Palestinian young people are never attacked, and when Jews approach them, the most that happens is a lively discussion. To a lesser extent, its neighbour store, Selfridges, has had leafletters outside for years protesting the presence of Israeli wines on its shelves. One day last year, I went into Selfridges and accosted the first couple I saw. They said they agreed with the Palestinian leafletters and thought no “Zionist apartheid” goods should be sold anywhere in the UK. When I asked this otherwise charming English pair where they had learned the word “apartheid” in relation to Israel, they said they had read about it in The Independent and had seen “atrocities on the BBC.”)
I began to pick up snippets of shouts from this viscerally angry crowd. One woman in religious Muslim attire standing next to me -- actually jumping up and down -- screamed at the top of her voice to the Israel supporters, “You Jews destroyed my country, Iraq.” Someone asked her what Israel had to do with Iraq and she screeched, “You killed sixty of my family in Iraq.” She was asked how sixty Iraqis were killed by Israelis and she said, “Israel -USA! Same thing! And now you will take over Iran!” She became so agitated that she had to be led away by the police.
Then came the chorus of really quite terrifyingly angry English people with their shouted mantras of “You people invented terrorism in Palestine”; “Israel is expanding every day and will soon own the whole Middle East!” (doh?); “Israel is slaughtering thousands of Palestinians every day.” (Again, doh?)
But the crowning glory was an elegantly-dressed businessman next to me, who seemed normal except for the fury in his eyes. He said, “I love and revere the suicide bombers. Every time I hear of a suicide bomb going off I wish it had been eighty or ninety Jews instead of a pitiful handful.” He then went on to shout at everyone around him every time someone tried to speak, and had reached a point of hysteria – “You people have been trying to acquire land across the entire globe and will soon own every nation if you are not stopped!” – when, thankfully, a policewoman came over. One can think of some people who, had they been armed, would be in prison now, because his suggestion that not enough Jews are killed each time a bomb goes off “made one crazy”, as the saying goes, but we were pleased to see that the policewoman was making every effort to book him. (Imagine how far he would have got had he said such things in New York or Washington about Americans!)
What does this tell us about British society? Pim Fortuyn was assassinated because he expressed what were considered to be extremist views about the rise of Islam across Europe and in his native Holland. We have no objection to ethnic diversity, but we are sickened when we see British and Arab people united in such blood-curdling hatred of one very tiny minority. (Lest we forget, Jews are now outnumbered ten to one by Muslims in the UK.) What alarms us is the profoundly visceral hatred shown by the crowd on Thursday towards a mild-looking group of young Jewish men and bystanders supporting them.
Does this mean, as Melanie Phillips has said so often in the British press this year, that Britain is no longer a place where Jews may live without fear? Yes, we think it does. Our liberal friends will say that the actions of the Sharon government are making life hell for Diaspora Jews. Well, here is the crucial point: when Yitzhak Rabin was making peace and Israel was booming – and the Palestinian territories were beginning to flourish – terror bombs were exploding as often as during the dark days, and way back then, one's British hosts were saying the same unspeakable things about “you people invented terrorism in Palestine” and “hopefully, in the next war, Israel will be taught a lesson it won't forget...”
Sadly, we believe anti-Semitism is endemic in the world at large. We feel that our own spiritual home is the United States (we have given up trying to explain to European Jews why we feel as free and proud as Jews in the USA as we do in Israel), but were we as young as the men at the Israel stall on Thursday we would make aliyah
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what were the nice jewish people doing outside M&S in the first place
24.10.2003 12:53
confused
Sounds like crap to me
24.10.2003 12:55
Aside form that...
this person obvioulsy lives in a rather mad place (somewhere between reality and psycosis) because i've been on lots of Anti Zionist actions and not once has any thing like this ever happened.
A good few points to make are that by enlarge the british public dont really have any idea about the real situation in Palestine and even if they do then most of them wouldnt go out and do anything about it
also i really dont know what bus he was travelling on cause modern buses dont have conductors and the old ones the driver has no contact or means of access to the rest of the bus unless he/she gets out and walks round.
Its a fair point to make that people do get confused between Jew and Zionist and its a problem on this site to (its about time that both sides learnt that the 2 arent the same)
I'm a Jew and want to see the destrution of the Israeli state as much as alot of Muslims cause its land soaked in blood rather than milk and honey.
its a good thing to link the holocuast to the situation at the moment cause its proving the phrase "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes" infact its to say that most Jews bring about alot of there own misery and fear cause of some persecution complex taught to us in Schools Fair enough Jews have been persecuted but when you look at the figures over 100million africans were murdered by slave traders. Gypsies, Gays, Communists were all murdered witht he same ferocity as the jews during WW2
I'm sick to death of people ramming the holocuast down peoples throats by way of an excuse for being racist and narrow minded.
NO-ONE in thier right mind could ever knowingly say that what the Israeli state is doing in Palestine is right or just.
And incase your wondering i lost half my family during ww2 in concentration camps and also FYI ive had family killed during the intafada (they were settlers) and yet tis may be hard for some jews to understand i'm proud to wave a palestinian flag on demo's and call for resistance to the occupation.
I'm no friend of Islamic Jihad or Hezbollah and i see Suicide bombing buses as a pointless exersise (same as the IRA and the various civilian targets) cause it doesnt win anyone over to your cause and also i dont like them cause they're religious zealots and just as bad a the Israeli rightwing
so yeah Fuck Zionism and Fuck Religious Extremism
TTFN
jb
an @ Jew
post aimed at fooling Americans
24.10.2003 13:28
Otherwise soemone might have to admit that it's about peace and justice, and that the US government is on the wrong side. And that would never do!
kurious
It's jusr zionist spam from this site
24.10.2003 13:51
Sonic
Looks like we are getting linked to by
24.10.2003 14:20
Sonic
BNP join the nice Jews
25.10.2003 11:20
Go play with your BNP friends instead of filling up these pages with your pathetic lies
JC
M&S pickets - for the record
25.10.2003 20:31
For the record…
The problem with mud is you throw a lot and a bit sticks. So, for the record, and from someone who has attended the multi-racial, anti-racist, anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist pickets of M&S for the past three years:
1. No-one has been arrested or led away by the police for hysterical behaviour or anything else.
2. Anyone who said ‘I wish 80 or 90 Jews would die’ would be told by our stewards to take their anti-Semitism elsewhere.
3. Some of the buses passing down Oxford Street do have conductors, however their views, political or religious have never been shared with us. At most we may have become something to be pointed out to tourists.
4. The so-called ‘nice Jews’ belong to Betar, a right-wing Zionist organisation responsible for carrying out violent physical attacks on its opponents in France. Betar is the youth wing of the organisation founded by ‘revisionist’ Zionist Jabotinsky – check out their and his history if you want to see who the ‘extemists’ are. As for Jews (as opposed to Zionists), you will find that on any given Thursday evening when these pickets take place, there are as many or more people of Jewish origin on the anti-M&S, anti-Zionist picket as among Betar’s collection of assorted fascists (yes, we have Muslims, communists, anarchists, liberals, Jewish socialists – they have Zionists, British fascists, Hindu fascists etc….)
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