Quote: "As an idea, a Jewish homeland was always controversial. As a reality, Israel still is - and it is not anti-Jewish to say so"

But Israel was granted to the Jewish people as their homeland by God over three thousand years ago and there has been a continous Jewish presence there ever since. Israel also contains all the holy sites that are sacred to Judaism including the Temple of The Mount. To deny that there should be a Jewish state in Palestine is to deny Jews their history, their culture and their identity. Jews in the Israel has also been very tolerant of ethnic minorities such as Christians and Muslims allowing them to build churches and mosques and to visit their holy sites and to practice their culture. In fact Christians and Muslims have far more freedom than Jews and Christians have in any Muslim countries.

The above comment represents a classic head-in-the-sand outlook on life.

There is no such thing as a 'God Given Right' of any peoples to any place - especially if that should involve the displacement and persecution of another section of humanity, as has happened in Palestine - let's not forget that we are just passing through on this planet.

As any climatologst will tell you, mass extinctions can happen at any moment for any reason. This also includes our own species (how ever we might delude ourselves, we are no more immune to this process than any other resident on this tiny world), so, bearing this in mind we really do have absolutely NO RIGHT to go around saying who is to live where, as we are just as fallible and weak as any other species on this planet.

We borrow the Earth from our Children after all, so, how about trying pass on something to them that they can bear to live in..?

It's exactly the above, very insular approach to life and politics that perpetuates the current problems in the world.

Wake up, grow up, rise up and join the rest of the human race!

The concept of representative democracy?

Now I'm not in your neck of the woods, I don't know anything about the representative district of Liverpool, Riverside that Mrs. Ellman represents. Would you care to describe it for me, the demographics and politics of this district? In other words, are you claiming that she is NOT represeting the views of "her people"? Or are you saying that she isn't representing "correct" views and if the people of liverpool, Riverside don't have what YOU consider to be "correct politics" then they don't get to be represented.

Democracy is NOT about "correct" decisions but decisions that the people want, good, bad, or indifferent.

Like I said, I'm not from your parto of the world. But around here there's only one reason that politicians take pro-Israel positions and that's the votes of their constituents.

To the moron above - guess you are a dumb American living in (or promoting) the zionist matrix - you are right in that there is only ONE reason that your elected representatives support "israel", and it is not because of the will of the people but because of MONEY ... AIPAC scum bribe congress:

Pro-Israel PAC Contributions to 2000 Congressional Candidates 1999-2000 Cycle

TOTAL for 1999-2000 Election Cycle $2,044,606
TOTAL 1978-2000 Funds to Congressional Candidates $34,607,182
TOTAL No. of Recipient Candidates, 1978-2000 1,732

MORE INFO:

 http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm




... And to "Christian Zionist" (Bush is one of those too!) ...



Zionist's comments shown as quotes "" ... (Take note of how he tries to confuse zionism with Judaism - they are NOT the same thing - and check out his incoherent case for "israel" - ZIONIST OCCUPIED PALESTINE) ...



"But Israel was granted to the Jewish people as their homeland by God over three thousand years ago"

- OK, if you say so(!) - a thousand year old "claim" to land that the Palestinian have been living on for centuries until the zionist occupation started just over 50 years ago. But after WWII when the Americans wanted nothing to do with the Jews and they needed somewhere to go, the zionists considered a number of state to occupy before deciding to invade Palestinian land and claim it as thier own. "israel" as it is now is not the Jewish promised land - it is a zionist hell that makes a mockery of the Jewish religion - ZIONISM IS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND IS DISTINCT FROM JUDASIM - let these real Jews tell you about the "promised land" :  http://www.JewsNOTzionists.org ... Zionism and Judaism are OPPOSED, not the same thing. Did "god" tell you to invade Palestine and ethnically cleanse and displace the people who have been living there for centuries? Is this what Judaism is about?! NO! It IS what zionism is about ... For more information type "Destroyed Palestine Villages" into Google. I bet you are a Palestine-denier. Racist zionist supremacist scum - your claim to Palestine is laughable.



"and there has been a continous Jewish presence there ever since."

- Yes - and real Jews live in peace with Palestinains and this minority did so for centuries before the zionist occupation began following WWII. No one has a problem with Jews living in Palestine - it is the racist ethnic cleansing godless zionists that are butchering the people of the land we have a problem with. Jewish people in Palestine are welcome - GODLESS ZIONIST SCUM CAN BURN IN HELL.



"Israel also contains all the holy sites that are sacred to Judaism including the Temple of The Mount."

- And a lot of sites scared to Muslims and Christians too that the zionists are trying to destory? What is your point?



"To deny that there should be a Jewish state in Palestine is to deny Jews their history, their culture and their identity."

- Rubbish! Utter emotional BULL. Firstly - there is no "Jewish state" - it is zionist occupied land - zionists are not Jews and Judaism is distinct from zionism. The zionist occupation has nothing to do with Judaism ("israel" is the modern day false idol of the "Jews" - much like the golden calf of the past - remember that one?) ... There should be a Jewish presence in Palestine - but not a forced zionist "state" - no one is denying Jews their history or culture - your argument is absurd - you clearly have no real justification for this dirty an brutal zionist occupation of Palestine when you have to resort to such bullshit comments to justify the 50 year old occupation.



"Jews in the Israel has also been very tolerant of ethnic minorities such as Christians and Muslims allowing them to build churches and mosques and to visit their holy sites and to practice their culture."

- Oh please, pull the other one you moron. Read this article to start with - it is written by and "israeli" who has served in the "israeli" army. (But I guess you will just call him a "self hating Jews", won't you?) ... "Collective Self-Deception - The Most Common Mistakes of Israelis - By GILAD ATZMON":

The most common mistakes made by Israelis are as follows:

1. To fail to realize that there is no essential difference between Tel Aviv and a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.

2. To believe that the creation of the state of Israel was an outcome of the Holocaust.

3. To regard themselves as innocent people and thus as victims of the Israeli­Palestinian conflict.

4. To believe that they live in a democracy and therefore that their atrocities are legitimate.

5. To be convinced that they live in an open society which enjoys political and ideological diversity.

6. To believe that the ghetto is behind them.

7. To be convinced that the 'Jewish state' is a legitimate concept.

8. To think that Israel is a shelter for the entire Jewish people and the best answer to anti-Semitism.

9. To regard themselves as humanists.

10. To be sure that Israel is immortal.

Throughout the relatively short history of Jewish nationalism many Jews have managed to find flaws within Zionist philosophy. Many have detached themselves from Zionism. Since the declaration of the Israeli state, numerous Israelis have left Israel and more than a few Jews around the world have joined forces with the Palestinian liberation movement. Israelis, on the other hand, are those who still fail to realize that the ten beliefs above are grave, indeed fatal, mistakes.

One could probably ask whether these essential mistakes are made by Zionists in particular rather than all Israelis. In response I would argue that Israeli people are Zionists even though they may only have a very little knowledge of what Zionism is. Most Israelis were born into a colonial and racist reality. They are educated to maintain Zionism rather than to question it. This blind acceptance of one of the most radically chauvinist worldviews turns the Israelis into an impossible candidate for any form of peaceful negotiation.

The mistakes in detail:  http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon08282003.html





"In fact Christians and Muslims have far more freedom than Jews and Christians have in any Muslim countries."

- The freedom to have their land stolen. The freedom to have apartheid walls built on THEIR land that stop them visiting their own relavtives. The freedom to be killed while walking on the street minding their own business in a "targetted"(!) killing with illegal weapons. The freedom to enjoy collective punishments. The freedom to be personally attacked and have their farms and properties attacked by ILLEGAL "settlers" (zionist scum invaders). The list of israeli agression and crimes against humanity is endless - so please take your bullshit zionist propaganda back to whichever NAationalist ZIonist hate site you have come from.




Articles/sites of interest highlighting some of the issues raised above:


About "israeli" state terrorism
 http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org

From Joshua to Sharon: A History of Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land
 http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/3496/?PHPSESSID=dbbd044043fd63440a513410a4a52530

Comprehensive list of Palestinian Charges Against Israel
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/12/282592.html

Destroyed Palestinian Villages
 http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village.html
 http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/27.htm
 http://alcor.concordia.ca/~pal/History/Villages/village@.html
 http://www.palestine-net.com/geography/cleansed/


"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."
Professor Ben-Zion Dinur - Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954, from History of the Haganah

check out the scource of hundreds of dubious stories

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=it&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22unnamed+israeli%22&btnG=Cerca+con+Google&lr=

OK. I've had enough of this "Angry Manc" cretin spewing blatant lies and hatred, which is frankly in contravention of Indymedia's terms of service.


> Zionist's comments ....bleh....
What is your definition of a Zionist, "Angry Manc"? Is it an Israeli? Please dont tell me its an Israeli, coz 20% of Israel's population are Muslim/Arab. Ohhh, I guess u mean Israeli JEWS then huh? Yea that must be it.

> "israel" - ZIONIST OCCUPIED PALESTINE) ...
No, Israel is Israel, as defined by the UN, and internationally recognised since 1947.



> "israel" as it is now is not the Jewish promised land - it is a zionist hell that makes a mockery of the Jewish religion
No its not the promised land, since the Arab states around her are intent on her destruction, and intent on killing all the Jews who reside there. And what's "hell" about a fully functioning, free democracy, "Angry Manc"? The "hell" u describe exists in the neighbouring Arab states, where children are indoctrinated as soon as they are born to HATE JEWS.

> ZIONISM IS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND IS DISTINCT FROM JUDASIM
Again, I really think u ought to provide ur definition of Zionism, so we can clarify this. From a dictionary: "Zionism: A policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews". Now, what's racist about that? That means that anyone who supports Israel's right to exist is therefore a Zionist. In that case, I'm a very proud Zionist, but I'm not a racist.

> I bet you are a Palestine-denier.
I dont deny that the area controlled by the British was called "Palestine". It was later partitioned by the UN, the Arabs getting Jordan, the Jews getting Israel.

> Racist zionist supremacist scum .
Again, I really feel that u need to give us ur definition of Zionist, "Angry Manc". Are u simply targetting Israeli JEWS?

> your claim to Palestine is laughable
No, it isnt, cretin.

> racist ethnic cleansing
There was no ethnic cleansing, cretin. In 1948 the Arabs decided that to invade Israel. They told the Arabs living there (who had been welcomed into the new Israeli society) to get out of Israel, because of the pending invasion. of course the invasion never happened, coz Israel kicked their sorry asses out. The Palestinian refugee problem wasnt a problem until the Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 were effectively held captive in refugee camps by their Arab "brothers" - the very same "brothers" who told them to leave their own homes in the first place.

> godless zionists that are butchering the people of the land
*sigh* Must u lie to further your cause, "Angry Manc"? They're no butchering anybody.

> And a lot of sites scared to Muslims and Christians too that the zionists are trying to destory?
Which sites are the "Zionists" (again, definition needed) trying to destroy, "Angry Manc"? Or is this another lie-for-your-cause? Yes, I thought so.

> Firstly - there is no "Jewish state" - it is zionist occupied land
There is, it's called Israel, as defined by the UN and internationally recognised since 1947. More lies from "Angry Manc" to further his "cause".

> ...bleh... the 50 year old occupation.
You clearly disagree with the UN and the vast majority of world opinion, who recognise Israel's legitimate right to exist, as defined by the UN and internationally recognised since 1947. Why are u so against Israeli Jews, "Angry Manc"?

> The most common mistakes made by Israelis are as follows:
Lets deal with this drivel:
1. To fail to realize that there is no essential difference between Tel Aviv and a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.
Most Israelis do realise that there is a difference. Do u even know any Israelis, "Angry Manc"?

2. To believe that the creation of the state of Israel was an outcome of the Holocaust.
It was. Do u think Israel would've been created if the Holocaust didnt occur? Well, on the bright side at least "Angry Manc" doesnt deny the Holocaust!

3. To regard themselves as innocent people and thus as victims of the Israeli­Palestinian conflict.
They are innocent. I know a few Israelis, they ARE innocent. They have done nothing to nobody. What is their crime, "Angry Manc"? Being an Israeli Jew, perhaps?

4. To believe that they live in a democracy and therefore that their atrocities are legitimate.
They DO live in a democracy! Free, open, democratic elections every 4 years, with EVERYONE Israelis, on the other hand, are those who still fail to realize that the ten beliefs above are grave, indeed fatal, mistakes.
The ten points above are complete trash. There's nothing to believe. And actually, "Angry Manc", the Israelis just want to be left alone to live in peace. Why dont cretins like u just fuck off and leave them alone?

> I would argue that Israeli people are Zionists even though they may only have a very little knowledge of what Zionism is.
Ah, such glorious hypocritical racism from "Angry Manc". See how he condemns an entire nation based on his limited and distorted world-view? For the Nth time, WHAT IS ZIONISM, "Angry Manc"? Surely u dont think that Israeli people are all racist? what about the 1 million+ Muslim Arabs who live there quite happily? I bet u dont think they're racist supremacists, do u? which means that its just Israeli JEWS that u have a problem with, u racist scumbag.

> Most Israelis were born into a colonial and racist reality.
I'm going to post u some pictures of what a racist reality looks like, then I'm gonna ask u to show me the resemblance between that and Israeli society. Good luck.

> This blind acceptance of one of the most radically chauvinist worldviews turns the Israelis into an impossible candidate for any form of peaceful negotiation.
You dont know any Israelis, do u "Angry Manc"? You are simply a sick racist. A sad, depraved, uneducated, ignorant, racist cretin.

I thought Jamie was very sound about the existence of Israel being a consequence of the Holocaust. It is important that is acknowledged so that displaced Palestinians do not come to think of Hitler as a Hero.

It seemed that Jamie was starting a flame war until I went back and saw that Angry Manc, having made some valid points initially, had a firm grasp of the wrong end of the stick about what Mike said, and had flaming Mike. I suspect that Mike is right, and that US political representatives who support Israel have large numbers of Zionist inclined Jews in their constituencies. Why flame?

Once flaming starts, discussion ends. It is a pity, because the sensitivity of the IMC to Political Correctness already means that many things that need to be discussed are hidden.

There only seems to be two viewpoints here:

a) Israel and the Jews are evil and shouldn't be allowed.

or

b) Palestine and the Palestinians are evil and shouldn't be allowed.

Surely they should all just be allowed to live their lives in peace, free from persecution and danger of being killed? Why does it have to be one or the other? I don't wish to deny the state of Israel, but according to some people, also not wishing the Palestinians to be killed, ghettoised and subjected to apartheid makes me some sort of anti-semite (which seems odd as virtually all the jews I've met have been nice people that I've gotten along with perfectly well).

It seems obvious to me that some of the Israelis are violent scum intent on getting rid of Palestine and some of the Palestinians are violent scum intent on getting rid of Israel. I'd be surprised if either of those were majority groups and definitely surprised if most people in both places are just normal people wanting to live normal lives in peace and safety.

And, 'christian zionist' it's worth noting that most of the holy places in that area are holy to more than just the Jewish religion. On the whole they are holy to the Christian and Muslim religions as well. I think you'll find many of the people from the Bible are also mentioned in the Torah and the Koran. The religions differ on how important each of these people are but they all tend to agree that certain people were holy and revered teachers.

Also, as a Christian, you should stop and ask yourself - Who would Jesus send an attack helicopter against?

.. whatever us politicians actually represent, they are ment to represent their constituents - there is no way that zionist jews in the us represent any more than a few percent, therefore who are they representing if not a tiny percentage of powerful lobbists (the usual story)?

And the question must be asked as well, do these zionists jews represent themselves as american? Or is it more likely (given the historical documentation and recorded attitude of them) that they swear alligence to only one country/master and that that is israel, regardless of what passport they hold?

And to those of you who have not had that much experience of 'jamie', he represents a group of zionists that have been reponsible for intimidating and threatening users of this wire (including myself) for exerecising their rights to free speech.

If jamie thinks he can dominate the debate here by insulting those he disagrees with and by stating in the most simplistic and misleading terms his characterisation of the arguments ranged against [him], then he does not have ANY insight into the way democratic institutions function.

In attempting to dispute angry mancs ten points, he merly states an opinion that they are wrong and never actually gives any sound reasoning.

If you could do a search of this sight (and sadly that function seems to have dissapeared) you could review just how extrem, bigoted and xenophobic jamies past ranting has been (several times he ahs been warned about his threatening behaviour here, and has never once responded to measured critism of his position, instead merely restating it in ever more rude and base terms).

We could go round the houses once again and address why it is a philosophy based on [false] racial notions that rewards those that it deems racially acceptable with land promised by some phantasmagorical sky ghost daddy and stolen from those whom they regard as insects, cockroachs, goyim and cattle - or we could not rise to the bate any longer and stop having the disemination of information hijacked by those for whom such disemination is a disadvantage.

And as for the notion that angry manc has never met an israeli - well I find that hard to believe. [He] seems to have a very solid grasp of the ACTUAL reality of life in that region and the motivations of those who live there, so much so that it would suprise me if he hadn't had broadly similar experiences as a lot of us here, based on repeated exposure to those very large minority(?) of israelis that are as implacably opposed to the present polices of thier government as any other reasonable people - let alone the huge number of jews from other countries who regularly meet and discuss the racist idiology of those that would hijack 'jewishness' for their own selfish advancement.

Keep it up angry manc - you have a loyal (and growing) following here who admire your dedication and thoroughness.

Jamie, you are like that mythical italian war march - you know, taking two steps back for every one forward. Keep posting here, you are desroying the very credibilty (whats left of it) that you so desparatly seek, with every stupid, innaccurate and offence thing that you say. Thank you.

Firstly, fuck you "Jamie" (or "Dave" or whoever you are, you zionist nazi spook). Been through this crap with pointless discussions with morons like you who have embraced the racist ideology of zionism without even knowing it. I doubt your limited intelligence will allow you to appreciate any other view than your own twisted zionist world view. You remind me of the moron who keeps posting stuff from zionist sites (such as Betar.co.uk, a zionist youth movement) under the name "Impartial observer of the middle east conflict"!!! "Impartial" and he is spewing zionist propaganda! This sums up the zionist world view - the "israeli" left and right and not the only two mindsets in the world - try and open your mind (a bit difficult for a racist zionist, but hey, I hope you have the intelligence to shrug off your supremacist attitudes). You really are one braindead moron who needs to read the full article "Collective Self-deception: 10 Common Mistakes of Israelis" article and then come back to me when you have un-brainwashed yourself.



> Zionist's comments ....bleh.... What is your definition of a Zionist,

- When I wrote that "Zionist's comments were shown with quotation mark" I meant the guy who called HIMSELF "Christian Zionist" - read the comments you dumb fuck before assuming I am blindly calling everyone a zionist. He defined himself as a "zionist" by his name - I did not label him as one without a reason. You know that there are people who cannot define zionism themselves but claim it is not racist (mostly zionists) and those who know what zionism is, where it came from, what it stands for and see it for the racist and supremacist ideology that it is. Judaism has been hijacked by this evil - but don't let the zionists like "Jamie" tell you that most Jews today are zionists - they are not - zionism is being seen by true Jews as the Jewish races biggest problem and something they must shake off if people are going to take them seriously as peace partners. Interesting article about "Criticizing Zionism" -  http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo10232003.html

EXTRACT:

Simply pointing out the reality of state-sanctioned Israeli racism against non-Jews is considered anti-Semitic. "The Left continues to spin out this 'Good Jew/Bad Jew' dichotomy in its baseless distinction between Judaism and Zionism," writes David Rosen, a professor of anthropology and law at Fairleigh Dickison University. "The return to Zion is a central part of Jewish discourse and cannot be exorcised from Jewish life... The crucial issue is whether the criticism respects the Jewish right of self-determination and Israel's existence as a sovereign state."

In other words, the theft of Palestinian land and the murder of Palestinian children "cannot be exorcised from Jewish life" and criticism of it disrespects "the Jewish right of self-determination and Israel's existence as a sovereign state."




> No, Israel is Israel, as defined by the UN,

- So you love the UN when it comes to rubber stamping the dirty little occupation of Palestine and brushing the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians under the rug so that the racist zionist occupiers and land stealers can sleep a bit better at night. You are are so proud of the fact that the UN approved "israel" in 1947, but you continually ignore all the UN resolutions since - important ones that deal with "israel"'s abuse of human rights and apartheid policies. You can't have it both ways - making pathetic excuses about why "israel" ignores more resolutions than any other nation on Earth while praising the UN for helping in the theft of Palestine. For a list of UN resolutions against "israel" see here:  http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html . It is also shameful that the zionist occupied Whitehouse uses its veto to block important resolutions condeming "israel" for its abuses of human rights and land theft. And you had the cheek to complain about France when it wanted to veto the resolution against Iraq! Hypocrites.




> I'm a very proud Zionist, but I'm not a racist.

Zionism is by its very nature a racist ideology, based on the concept of ethnic superiority . Since you want to know why zionism is racism have a read of these articles and tell me what your "Jew" supremacist mind thinks of them:

Why Zionism Is Racism
 http://www.albalagh.net/current_affairs/zionism_racism.shtml

A "balanced" article from Wikipedia (note the criminal ADL trying to deny zionism is racism)
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_and_racism


Also, sign the "zionism is racism" petition at:
 http://www.petitiononline.com/unzio/petition.html




> There was no ethnic cleansing

- What a joke (although not a funny one)! Fucking moron - there is ethnic cleansing continuing to this day. I have provided sources for people to check out all the destroyed Palestinian villages, the massacares and the forced relocation. A "Palestine denier" is exactly what scum like you are - denying the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians is as offensive as denying there as a holocaust. If you cannot see what the dirty little occupiers are doing (IDF and the illegal "settlers") to the Palestinians you need help. Denying the daily abuse of human rights and persecution of the Palestinians who are treated with less respect than animals shows what kind of racist, supremacist scum you really are.




> *sigh* Must u lie to further your cause, "Angry Manc"? They're no butchering anybody

- You thick bastard. I'm having second thoughts about replying to a moron with such a limited view of the world and what is happening in Palestine. Real IndyMedia readers and contributors are aware of the daily attacks on Palestinian CIVILIANS - I have provided enough links to articles and sites that show how the Palestinians are being butchered by the occupying zionist forces. People like you are afraid of the truth coming out - that is why you shoot at UNARMED international peace activies, in a attempt to intimidate and silence all reporting of the daily abuses of human rights. How do you defend the MURDER of Rachel Corrie? Of Tom Hurndall (who was helping CHILDREN get out of the way of israeli sniper fire directed at them? The murder of the camera man James Miller? Defend that! And these are just the people who are reporting the daily crimes of the IDF.




> They are innocent. I know a few Israelis, they ARE innocent. They have done nothing to nobody. What is their crime, "Angry Manc"? Being an Israeli Jew, perhaps?

- Stop trying the old "antisemitism" trick moron - I know the difference between zionists and Jews - and about zionists' love of confusing the two issues. The "israelis" are NOT "innocent" - they are living on stolen Palestinian land (and the so-called "settlers" really are trailer trash scum - they ARE illegal occupiers and there is no argument about that fact) ... I have made my feeling about Jews clear - they are not the problem in Occupied Palestine - the zionism scum are the problem.




> 4X BULLSHIT NARROW MINDED TYPICAL ZIONIST REPLIES TO THE "10 Common mistakes of israelis" ARTICLE

- Read the points in detail and see how stupid your pathetic replies sound. Like I said, it is written by a former "israeli" soldier so should not be on your "banned" list of reading material, you little zionist nazi.




> the Israelis just want to be left alone to live in peace

- Really looks like it from all the evidence of land theft, apartheid walls, daily abuse of Palestinians and their basic human rights, targetted murders that kill innocent bystander (including children) etc. I bet they want to live in peace! - on stolen land - over our dead bodies mate. There will be no peace until the zionist occupation ends - then Muslims, Christians and Jews can live in peace in Palestine.




> I'm going to post u some pictures of what a racist reality looks like, then I'm gonna ask u to show me the resemblance between that and Israeli society.

- You show your utter stupidity here - you think you can call someone a racist because of the way he looks? I guess YOU and other zionists can - anyone who is not Jewish and doesn't love "israel" and looks like a Palestinian must be racist hey? Is that why you keep mudering their children and stealing their land ...



....


Screw your racist little nazi occupation of Palestine - your denial of the fact that Palestinians are being treated like animals on a daily basis, that their land had been STOLEN, that their children are murdered in collective punishments and "targetted" murders that kill innocent bystands is sickening. Fuck off back to LGF for whichever racist, Islamophobic hate site run by racist supremacists (there is your definition of zionism - it's not Jews returning to Palestine that is the problem - it is the racism of a Jew-supremacist "israel" that is the problem). Don't forget to renew your membership to the racist "Jewish" terrorist organisation that like to attack anyone who criticises zionism - the JDL ...



....




About apartheid in "israel":

The overwhelming majority of non-Jewish citizens are Arabs and they are subject to various forms of discrimination.

[snip]

The Government does not provide Israeli Arabs, who constitute 20 percent of the population, with the same quality of education, housing, employment opportunities, and social services as Jews. In addition, government spending and financial support are proportionally far lower in predominantly non-Jewish areas than in Jewish areas.

The Government provides proportionally greater financial support to religious and civic institutions in the Jewish sector compared with those in the non-Jewish sector, i.e., Muslim, Christian, and Druze. For example, only 2 percent of the Ministry of Religious Affairs budget goes to the non-Jewish sector. The Ministry's 1998 budget actually reduced the percentage.

In civic areas where religion is a determining criterion, such as the religious courts and centers of education, non-Jewish institutions routinely receive less state support than their Jewish counterparts.

Evangelical Christian and other religious groups also have complained that the police have been slow to investigate incidents of harassment, threats, and vandalism directed against their meetings, churches, and other facilities by two ultra-Orthodox Jewish groups, known as Yad L'achim and Lev L'achim.

The Government confers automatic citizenship and residence rights to Jewish immigrants, their families, and Jewish refugees under the Law of Return. This law does not apply to non-Jews or to persons of Jewish descent who have converted to another faith.

The Government designates religion on national identity document, but not on passports.

Orthodox Jewish religious authorities have exclusive control of Jewish marriages, divorces, and burials. They do not recognize marriages or conversions to Judaism performed in Israel by non-Orthodox rabbis.

Jehovah's Witnesses complained of inadequate police response to numerous incidents of harassment, assaults, theft, and vandalism during the period covered by this report, reportedly by two ultra-Orthodox Jewish groups, known as Yad L'achim and Lev L'achim.

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Further evidence of this racist Zionist state's practices against those who are non Jews can be found here at the U.S The State Department web site.

 http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/irf/irf_rpt/1999/irf_israel99.html


www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/irf/irf_rpt/1999/irf_israel99.html


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