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American Baptist Group Hopes To Convert Iraqi Muslims

Lisa Ashkenaz Croke | 06.01.2004 06:31 | Anti-militarism | World

While coalition forces need to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis, an American Southern Baptist group plans to win Iraqi souls.

To that effect, the Baptists' International Mission Board (IMB) is mobilizing missionaries to convert Muslims from a "false" religion based on the teachings of a "demon-obsessed pedophile," as a former IMB leader once called the Prophet Mohammad.
Jon Hanna, an evangelical minister and missionary from Ohio, told the Telegraph UK last week that Islam's denial of Jesus as divine qualifies the religion as "false." Citing the New Testament, Hanna said, "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist."

Despite the fact that this defines almost 70 percent of the world's population, access to Iraq's 23 million plus unsaved souls is literally an answer to IMB's prayers, presenting a unique but possibly brief opportunity.

"A U.S. passport is all you need to get in, until the new Iraqi government takes over," said Hanna. "What we thought was a two-year window, originally, has narrowed down to a six month window."

Under the pretense of providing humanitarian aid, the Baptists come to Iraq with food, medical services and Bibles; IMB holds that the first two items are "a conduit" for the latter. As one missionary who met with Iraqi children said in an IMB news bulletin, "...I could tell some of them have not eaten well. But their biggest need is to know the love of Christ."

Lisa Ashkenaz Croke
- Homepage: http://www.NewsFromTheFront.org

Comments

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Typical Christians.

06.01.2004 10:53

Typical Christians no tolerance for other idle superstitions.ALL RELIGION LEADS TO INTOLERANCE AND DEATH.Reject all mind control religion.

Redkop.


keep your ideas to yourself

06.01.2004 11:39

Yeah, cheeky Christians trying to spread their ideas on how life should be lived. Nearly as bad as these bloody anti-capitalists preaching on about how the world should be.

;-)


If only Christians would keep ideas to themselves.

06.01.2004 14:13

If only Christians would keep ideas to themselves.But i forgot the only reason they exsist is to convert everyone else.End of story realy.

Redkop


missing my point

06.01.2004 16:50

Redkop mate, I entirely agree. People shouldn't be allowed to oppress others by trying to convert or 'persuade' them. We should all keep our ideas to ourselves. Anyone found arguing a point of view or expressing an opinion should be locked up or preferably killed.

;-)


Not missing the point

06.01.2004 18:15

Not missing the point at all.The christian religion is their to convert people.Of course people are free to express their own opinion.How else would this website work?However my point is that Christianity is there to convert people and if you do not agree you are a heritic.Christianity is not a democratic religion it is dictatorial in its outlook and teaching.This leads to death and destruction eventualy.Surely people must be free of this.

redkop.


pots and kettles

07.01.2004 13:09

By the same argument the anti-capitalist movement is dictatorial. I don't remember having a vote before y'all started having these protests all over the place and calling supporters of capitalism all sorts of names. And aren't you trying to convert people ie. persuade them to change their ideas? If not what are you trying to do?

;-)


Religious conversion is not persuasion

07.01.2004 13:46

"And aren't you trying to convert people ie. persuade them to change their ideas? If not what are you trying to do?"

Religious conversion is not the same thing as political & moral debate or persuasion. It entails generating a sufficient emotional response in the prospective convert, such that they can make the so-called "leap of faith" required for conversion. No one sits, listens to a calm, reasoned exposition of the Trinity, transubstantiation versus consubstantiation, weighs the evidence and says "Hm, these Christians definitely have the most logical explanation for cosmology, ethics and morality. I think I'll sign up as a supporter, or at least stop supporting their opponents, tacitly or otherwise."

Rather, they hear or read a stirring sermon, or experience "miraculous healing", or witness an impressive piece of religious art or music, or are taught it at their mother's knee, etc. Their emotional response is "God must be calling me."

I don't imagine the Baptists who are barging into Baghdad uninvited, knowing nothing whatever about the people they are selling to, will be setting out a case for persuasion. Instead, they will be making appeals to the emotions of the people desperate and broken enough to listen: people whose lives seem to have no meaning after being attacked first by Saddam, then the Americans: family dead, home ruined, livelihood destroyed.

"We have the answer to your problems! We can give your life meaning again!" is what they will be saying. Listen to this former Muslim who gave his life over to Jesus! He's happy now! Don't you want to be happy too?"

So y'all can take your self-righteous posturing somewhere else, thanks.

blackberry


Baptist Christians' works of love and charity

07.01.2004 14:01

"God Hates Fags" says Baptist minister Fred Phelps, and pickets the funeral of gay murder victims:
 http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/273340.shtml
 http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/

"Islam founded by demon-possessed pedophile terrorist", says former head of Southern Baptist Convention Jerry Vines:
 http://www.escapethewatchtower.com/fundamental_christians_p1.htm

My favourite Baptist church:
 http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
:-)

Ian


DOWN WITH ALL RELIGIONS

07.01.2004 14:34

Christian evangelists are scum - but let's face it, Islam is hardly tolerant of homosexuals, is it? In fact the 'god hates fags' message is likely to go down a treat.

Jerry Vines sounds like a prick and he probably isn't aware how historically accurate his comment about 'demon-possessed pedophile terrorists' actually is.

Suggesting Mohammed was demon-possessed is clearly unfair, but Mohammed definitely was a paedophile (unless screwing a nine year old girl, who he married when she was SIX, isn't kiddy sex) and as for terrorist - hmmm, subjective term. Cold blooded, bloodthirsty killer might have been more appropriate description.

 http://www.faithfreedom.org/
 http://www.evilbible.com/

atheist


and there it is

07.01.2004 15:30

Funny how these generalised attacks on religion always seem to end up these days targetting in on Islam and Muslims. Very progressive!

tolerant


Erm...

07.01.2004 16:02

Why is Islam immune from any comment? And funny, I don't remember mentioning Muslims this or Muslims that. You're not confusing the religion with the followers, are you?

Are you saying I don't have a right to criticise a specific religion because you consider it politically incorrect?

Is it less acceptable to mention Islam because criticism of Christianity is so much more commonplace? Please explain.

atheist


pt 2

07.01.2004 16:16

I just had another thought - is it because you percieve Christianity to be more deserving of criticism because you associate it with 'white majority', even though most of the world's Christians are non-white, and you percieve Islam to be associated with 'non-white', and thus any disparaging comments about Islam to be racist?

atheist


what I'm saying

07.01.2004 16:38

I'm saying I believe in 'live and let live' and respecting freedom of worship. To me the important dividing line isn't religious vs secular but tolerant vs intolerant. I'd far rather live in a (relatively) tolerant religious state like the UK than an intolerant secular one like France seems to be becoming.

tolerant


Hypocracy enters into the equasion as well.

07.01.2004 16:42

Hypocracy also enters the argument when dealing with mythical religions.I do not see any of the mythical Christs teaching being put into practice by bush or blair both so called Christians.

Redkop.


Enough of the insults to other religions!

07.01.2004 19:55

Christians and Muslims should live in peace and not impose their beliefs on each other!
Stop the insults now and do not demonise one or another or you make matters worse. Keep this up and expect the human race to perish. Christians are not capitalists and Muslims are not terrorists. Remember what ever religion or system it is the man that always corrupts the system. As for other religions like Budhists, Siqhs, Native Indians( or Mohicans if you prefer) and Hindus it also applies to them as well.

Please everyone I plee with you stop attacking each other and punish the ignorant humans like Bush and monster Blair. They deserve the punishment for using religion for evil purposes.

Let us unite and bring the madness on this war torn earth to an end.

I hope sanity has struck home people!

Apollo ( Sun God Speaks out!)


Erm...aren't Christianity and Islam very similar?

08.01.2004 17:34

Islam is another religion well known for converting other peoples. Surely the Muslims will be trying to convert the Baptists while the Baptists are trying to convert the Muslims. Let 'em get on with it, it's not like they're going over there to put unbelievers to the sword or anything.

And I always find vehement atheists funny with their belly-of-fire, leap-of-faith decision to fervently believe in nothing, with as much proof of nothing being there as there is proof of something being there.

Is it worth noting that angry, stressed people are more likely to suffer heart disease etc. and die early whereas people with an active spiritual life (of whatever religion - it doesn't seem to matter) are likely to live longer and be happier?

Afinkawan


leap of what now?

08.01.2004 23:07

Ooooh... he mentioned Islam... get him!

"And I always find vehement atheists funny with their belly-of-fire, leap-of-faith decision to fervently believe in nothing, with as much proof of nothing being there as there is proof of something being there."

As an atheist I have never made a 'decision to fervently believed in nothing'.

Believing in a ridiculous omnipotent witchy-poo sky-daddy is an active choice. Not believing in one isn't. There was no 'leap of faith' involved when I stopped believing in the tooth fairy, Santa and the bogey-man. I grew out of it.

I don't believe there are WMD in Iraq either - shouldn't the emphasis be on those who actively claim there are to prove it? After all, they're making the positive assertion, not me.

atheist


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