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Pretty Good Privacy vs. NSA(National Security Agency)

advocating privacy in a Prisonplanet | 27.01.2004 16:11

Is it too late to advocate for privacy in a prisonplanet?
Because I feel this is the issue that should be stressed
over and over again. Undelining the privacy that is
vanishing...

We are being monitored by the CIA and NSA.
Then they have their counterparts worldwide.
GPS tracking in mobilephones.
Echelon eavesdropping on anybody it wishes.

Informants, infiltrators.
Read about the Cointelpro operations during
1960s and later.

Where is your privacy?
Can you really find any if you focus on the
fundamental meaning of the question?

Who is sniffing your mail?


I try to cut it here and get to the point.

If we are to keep things for ourselves -
surely you do not want intrusion in your
privacy,for example anyone reading your
personal mail. But this is happening
now when e-mail is not that secure as
is commonly known.

What means are there to keep your privacy
intact in an evergrowing police state minded
society. Where people are being conditioned
to obey insanity.

If person A wants to send a message to
person B in a secure way, how can that
be done today - using e-mail?

If you get the PGP, the tool that is
used to encrypt your messages.
How can you know that for example NSA
dont have means to crack it?

How can you know?
How can you know that when you download from
a website a tool(programme) for example PGP,
that is hasn`t been compromised by secret
service agencies. Meanwhile downloading
the programme...a million other people
could potentially cut into it...
and without your knowledge put components
into it that would infect it.
Infect it or contaminate
your whole pc.

First things first, OK.

(We are not part of their inventory)

advocating privacy in a Prisonplanet

Comments

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Use PGPi or talk in person...

27.01.2004 16:37

If you are that worried, go to  http://www.pgpi.com and download the source code or use GPG and look at the source code for that too.

Also, it is a well known fact that it would take forever and a day to crack PGP that is why the US is so upset about PGP.

If you are that worried about it. Don't send emails containing dodgy information. Instead meet people in person. Or design a system of messaging each other which you KNOW won't be cracked...

Ok so life isn't very private anymore but you are giving the NSA/CIA/FBI/Police too much credit. They aren't that technilogically advanced (yet), however as the current state of world 'terrorism' evolves, the US government will pump more and more money into it's 'Intelligence' services so we will not be safe that much longer.

So my advice to you is meet in person. Or write your own program to do the job.

fredrico
mail e-mail: musteatvegan@yahoo.co.uk


Privacy vs. Security

27.01.2004 17:01

The long commment or the continuation of the previous post(first one)
disappeared. I submitted it but it disappeared.
About history and other things.
I`ll get back to this later. Now I have to go.

I am convinced however that we should not follow the american
example where they are turning their country into a nightmare
by snooping anything anywhere anytime.





advocating privacy in a Prisonplanet


It is NOT known (what they can or cannot crack)

27.01.2004 19:32

It is extremely valuable information to the cryptanalysis folks (the code crackers) which ones they can crack and which they cannot and they keep this information secret so that "cracked" systems remain in use. Do not place all THAT much confidence in estimates of computational complexity estimates of how long to crack this or that system . THEY DON'T DO IT THAT WAY (don't tackle cracking them "brute force"). They anayze and all too often discover some weakness which has been overlooked which GREATLY reduces the amount of brute force needed to finish the job. Besides -- how are you imagining using PGP (itself)? Being very slow, but being a public key system (allows authentication and easy key exchange), usually PGP istelf is used just to encrypt the key used to encrypt the message with a faster "private key" system. Maybe they don't HAVE to crack the "public key" part of PGP and get that key -- maybe they can crack the "private key" algorithm.

These people are very good at their job -- VERY clever. I haven't seen any analysis on attempts to carck PGP but I have read how they figured out to crack a number of older/weaker systems --- DES, FEAL, KAFRE, REDOC, and the ancient Lucifer (I can even understand that one, with the others listed here I just shake my head in amazement at the ingenuity of the code crackers.) Keep in mind that with the assistance of computers barely out of their infancy your people cracked "Enigma" and ours "Purple" --- a little help from the machines but mainly brains, not brute force.

The USUAL test is who is or is not willing to use a system. The "pros" usually figure that if a government known for its "crypto" prowess doesn't seem to be willing to use an otherwise strong appearing system for its own secure messages then maybe they know something about it that you don't. WELL --- who's using PGP?

Mike
mail e-mail: stepbystepfarm mtdata.com


Privacy - more worth than precious gold

27.01.2004 20:54

...I want to continue with the important issue of privacy, in a world that
is becoming obviously more and more hostile towards anything that
seems different from mainstream...whether in politics, economics, culture
or otherwise.

If you are active politically in a society it should not render a penalty.
On contrary you should be couraged to take initiative and present
different alternatives without fear of being punished.

Peoples reaction to privacy concerns follow usually this pattern today:
They push aside the core issue and turn their head by replying:
" - I don`t have anything to hide. They can freely check whatever
they want from me."

This is like putting on a straightjacket - voluntarily.

Surely you have a lot at stake if you work as a journalist
for example. You never ever reveal your source in order
to protect the sources life. Journalists know that other peoples lives
might well depend on how well you protect the information
you have managed to obtain from your source.
But if your mail is being checked (including e-mail) or otherwise
monitored...you risk loosing that integrity. And it vanishes.

What about the entrepreneur(a businessman whos life and
future depends on how well he can protect his inventions,
business secrets, in order to maintain a position on a
competitive market?)

Would these people answer: " - Go ahead, I don`t have any secrets
to hide, so you can scan my life from head to toes. Be my guest."

Ofcourse not.
They are on their toes and try to do everything they can in order
maintain their privacy and integrity.

In a world of Microsoft-McDonalds-Walmart-Nokia-IMF-FTAA-EU
axis of hegemony...you don`t get more security by implementing
despotic rules. You neither get privacy nor security.
You get corporate rule and dark secrets owned and preserved for
those few who dictate the rules in this prisonplanet, big brother society,
policestate. And who benefits in the end? Who really benefits
from this madness?

People are systematically being conditioned to obey this insanity
where privacy is systematically destroyed.
Using fear - not least in US - as a tool to keep the people
under the regimes thumb. Its not to exaggarate if you call it a propaganda
matrix. With different colorlevels of terrorismthreat and so on.

Not long ago two people could meet in privacy and have a conversation
where both could trust that not a third party would obtain contents of
their conversation. They knew they could trust eachother without risking
something very personal or otherwise delicate matters to be revealed
to a third party without their consent. This should be the case today.
But it isn`t. Someone might quickly reply: - You can always go
to the countryside or to some remote area where it is virtually impossible
to eavesdrop...

...virtually impossible.

What is not possible in the era of high technology? You have
satellites that pinpoint your location with less than a meters accuracy.
Its a snip snap for them to listen...eavesdrop on you.

Where is your privacy today - your real privacy?

advocating privacy in a Prisonplanet


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