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Bilderberg Group Graces the UK in 2005

Global Elite | 18.02.2004 10:14

As you might be aware the g8 is a commin to England 2005, the Bildbergers will also be here in England 2005. We desperately need to organise some sort of resistance against them. Heres why.........

Film: The Masters of the Universe
An historical overview of the founding of the Federal Reserve System by the international banking elite and focuses on the growing power of the Bilderberg group. Produced by independent film-maker Daniel Hopsicker.
View with real player at  http://www.global-elite.org/realmedia/mastersoftheuniverse.ram

N.A.T.O and the Bilderberg Group

To understand who controls the leadership of NATO, the world's biggest military operation and now the 'World Army', you only have to look at the connection of the NATO Secretary-Generals to the Bilderberg Group.
The earlier sec-gens do not appear to have been Bilderberg attendees, but if you know different, please let me know. These were Lord Ismay (1952-1957), Paul Henri Spaak (1957-1961), Dirk U. Stikker (1961-1964), and Manlio Brosio (1964-1971).
But from then on, the leader of NATO has become a Bilderberg appointment.

They are:

Joseph Luns (1971-1984) Bilderberg Group
Lord Carrington (1984-1988) Bilderberg Group, chairman 1991-1998).
Manfred Wˆrner (1988-1994) Bilderberg Group
Willy Claes (1994-1995) Bilderberg Group
Javier Solana (1995-1999) Bilderberg Group
Lord Robertson (1999- ) Bilderberg Group
Jaap de Hoop Scheffer (2003) Bilderberg Group

How much easier it therefore becomes to instigate Bilderberg policy in the Gulf, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc., etc..
Hard evidence of anything to do with Bilderberg policy-wise is almost impossible to get hold of. All venues are swept for bugs (not that we were using any at Genval this June!) and minutes of the steering group are definitely not publicly available.
Nevertheless, circumstantial evidence suggests Bilderberg really do have a magic wand. Take a look at the list of important career moves for the following democratic appointments:

1. Bill Clinton - Head of State - USA - Attends Bilderberg meeting, Germany, 1991 - gets Presidential Nomination Aug 1992
2. Tony Blair - effective Head of State - UK - Attends Bilderberg meeting, Greece, 1993 - becomes party leader Jul 1994 - becomes Prime Minister May 1997
3. Jack Santer - previous Head of State (sacked for corruption) - Europe - Attends Bilderberg, Germany, 1991 - becomes European President Jan 1995
4. George Robertson - CEO - NATO Attends Bilderberg meeting, Scotland, 1998 - sworn in as Secretary General of NATO Aug 1999
5. Jaap de Hoop Scheffer attends May 2003 Bilderberg meeting - gets sworn in as Secretary General of NATO Aug 2003

Banking Governers and other fiscal elites also make attendance at the bilderberg meetings.....

GB - King, Mervyn A. - Governor, Bank of England. Attends Bilderberg 2003.
F - Trichet, Jean Claude - Governor, Banque de France. Bilderberg 2003
INT. Schwab, Klaus President, World Economic Forum. Is a regular at the bilderberg club.
S Wallenberg, Jacob - Chairman of the Board, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken. Bilderberg 2003
INT Wolfensohn, James. - President, The World Bank. regular attendee at Bilderberg!
CH - Kielholz, Walter B. - Former Chairman of the Board, Credit Suisse Bilderberg 2003
USA Soros, George - President and Chairman of Soros Fund Management LLC Bilderberg 2002
Kopper, Hilmar - Chairman of Deutsche Bank -- a member of the board of several other major corporations, including Bayer and Daimler Chrysler Bilderberg 2002
USA Greenspan, Alan - Chairman, Federal Reserve System. Bilderberg 2002
- USA McDonough, William J. - President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Bilderberg 2002
- USA. Moskow, Michael H. - President , Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago Bilderberg 2002
USA Pearl, Frank H. - Chairman and CEO, Perseus, L.L.C. Bilderberg 2002
NL Kist, Ewald - Chairman of the Board ING

Warmongers, Weapons dealers at Bilderberg meetings

F - Gergorin, Jean-Luis - Executive Vice President, Strategic Coordination, European Aeronautics Defence and Space company (EADS).Bilderberg 2003
USA. Perle, Richard N - PNAC warmonger - “If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don’t try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war ...our children will sing great songs about us years from now.” Bilderberg 2003
USA. Wolfowitz, Paul Dean, Secretary of Defense. Bilderberg 2003
USA Dinh, Viet D. Viet D. Dinh - (This guy helped wrote most of the Patriot Act!) Bilderberg 2002
USA Rumsfeld, Donald H. - Secretary of Defense.Bilderberg 2002
USA Kissinger, Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Definate regular 2003, 2002, 2001...........
USA - Bolton, John R. - Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security (yet another co-author of the Patriot Act!) Bilderberg 2003
GB Williams, Gareth - Leader, House of Lords; Member of the Cabinet Bilderberg 2003, 2002........
INT, Bildt, Carl; Special Envoy of the Secretary-General for the Balkans, United Nations. Bilderberg 1999
Europe - Also controled by the Bilderberg Club? me thinks so...
INT - Romano Prodi - Head of State - Europe Bilderberg 2003 - On Bilderberg Steering Committee mid 1980's, attends Bilderberg meeting, Portugal, Jun 1999 - sworn in as President of Europe Sep 1999 (term lasts until Jan 2005)
INT - Bolkestein, Frits - Internal Markets Commissioner, European Commission attends 2003, 2002, 2001
INT. Lamy, Pascal - EU, European Trade Commissioner attends = 2003, 2002, 2001
INT Fortescue, Adrian - Director General, Justice and Internal Affairs, European Commission Bilderberg 2002
INT. Fischler, Franz - E.U. Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development Bilderberg 2001
INT - Monti, Mario - Commissioner of the EC Bilderberg 2000
P. Moura, Vasco Graça - Member, European Parliament; 1st Vice President, Committee on Culture, Youth, Education, the Media and Sport. Bilderberg 2002

Chemical and Genetic Giants..
.
USA - Shapiro, Robert B. - Chairman and CEO, Monsanto Company. BA (Hons), Bilderberg 1999
CH Vasella, Daniel L. - Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG Pepsico Inc Bilderberg 2003
GB. Pragnell, Michael P. - CEO Syngenta AG; Director, AstraZeneca plc. Chief Executive Officer, Director of Syngenta and member of the Chairman’s Committee Bilderberg 2001
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. - Non-executive Chairman of BP p.l.c Bilderberg 2002
USA - Hubbard, Allan B. - President, E&A Industries. Hubbard;s E&A Industries is the parent of Car Brite Bilderberg 2003
NL, Jeroen van der Veer, President of the Royal Dutch Petroleum Company and Vice-Chairman of the Committee of Managing Directors of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group. Bilderberg 2003

Enviromentalists? nahhhhhh....never!!!!!!

GB - Porrit, Jonathon Director of Friends of the Earth (from 1984-1990) attends Bilderberg 1999 (note: same year as Shapiro, Monsanto boss)
Hang ons and other smuck.....
USA. Hagel, Chuck - Nebraska's senior U.S. Senator, Bilderberg 2001 see  http://www.global-elite.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=74
CDN Frum, David - Former Special Assistant to President Bush Presidential Speechwriter! Bilderberg 2003
USA - Zoellick, Robert - Principal Trade Adviser to the US President. Bilderberg 2003

Please note that this list is just the tip of an enormous melting iceberg

Here is a great article By Pepe Escobar

The masters of the universe

It may be instructive to learn what US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle were doing last weekend. From May 15 to 18 they were guests at the Trianon Palace Hotel, close to the spectacular Versailles palace near Paris, for the annual meeting of the Bilderberg club. Depending on the ideological prism applied, the Bilderberg club may be considered an ultra-VIP international lobby of the power elite of Europe and America, capable of steering international policy from behind closed doors; a harmless "discussion group" of politicians, academics and business tycoons; or a capitalist secret society operating entirely through self interest and plotting world domination.

The Bilderberg club is regarded by many financial and business elites as the high chamber of the high priests of capitalism. You can't apply for membership of such a club. Each year, a mysterious "steering committee" devises a selected invitation list with a maximum 100 names. The location of their annual meeting is not exactly secret: they even have a headquarters in Leiden, in the Netherlands. But the meetings are shrouded in the utmost secrecy. Participants and guests rarely reveal that they are attending. Their security is managed by military intelligence. But what is the secretive group really up to? Well, they talk. They lobby. They try to magnify their already immense political clout, on both sides of the Atlantic. And everybody pledges absolute secrecy on what has been discussed.

The Bilderberg mingles central bankers, defense experts, press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and America. Guests this year, along with Rumsfeld and Perle (US Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is also a member) included banker David Rockefeller, as well as various members of the Rockefeller family, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Queen Sofia and King Juan Carlos of Spain, and high officials of assorted governments. The Bilderberg does not invite - or accept - Asians, Middle Easterners, Latin Americans or Africans.

Some of the Western world's leading financiers and foreign policy strategists attend Bilderberg, in their view, to polish and reinforce a virtual consensus, an illusion that globalization, defined under their terms - what's good for banking and big business is good for everybody else - is inevitable and for the greater good of mankind. If they have a hidden agenda, it is the fact that their fabulous concentration of wealth and power is completely dissociated from the explanation to their guests of how globalization benefits 6.2 billion people. Some of the club's earlier guests went on to become crucial players. Bill Clinton in 1991 and Tony Blair in 1993 were invited and duly "approved" by the Bilderberg before they took office.

There are innumerable shady, still unexplained connections between the early Bilderberg club and the Nazis, via Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the father of Queen Beatrix, who founded the club in Bilderberg in 1954 (the name is taken from a Dutch hotel), aiming to "increase understanding between Europe and North America". Bernhard was a member of Adolf Hitler's SS. One of the founding members of the Bilderberg is Otto Wolff von Amerongen - who actively improved business links between Germany and the Soviet bloc and served on 26 boards of directors, including Deutsche Bank. Rumsfeld is an active Bilderberger. So is General Peter Sutherland from Ireland, a former European Union commissioner and chairman of Goldman Sachs and BP. Rumsfeld and Sutherland served together in 2000 on the board of Swiss energy company ABB. And ABB happened to have sold two light-water nuclear reactors to North Korea. At the time, of course, North Korea was not an active member of the "axis of evil".

This year, the Bilderberg meeting in Versailles conveniently merged into the G8 meeting of finance ministers in Paris, a 20-minute car ride from Versailles, on May 19. The procedure is traditional: what happens in the Bilderberg is usually a preview of what is later discussed at the full G8 gathering, which this year will be held from June 1 to 3 at Evian-les-Bains in the French Alps. On Bilderberg's first full working day on May 15, French President Jacques Chirac delivered a welcoming speech, trying to bury the bitter divisions among the guests over the war on Iraq by emphasizing that the US and Western Europe are longtime allies. But Chirac's gracious hosting may not have been enough to soothe the hawks in the US administration still miffed at "pacifist" France.
An influential European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial meltdown; so the only way to save their precious investments is to bet on the new global crisis centered around the Middle East, which replaced the crisis evolving around the Cold War. According to a banking source in the City of London connected to Versailles, what has transpired from the 2003 meeting is that American and European Bilderbergers have not exactly managed to control their split over the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, as well as over Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's hardline policy against the Palestinians. As the Bilderbergers were chattering away, Sharon all but rejected Bush's Middle East road map, already endorsed by the other members of the so-called quartet: the United Nations, the European Union and Russia. This road map, as it stands, is over: even the presence of US Secretary of State Colin Powell - who stopped by Versailles to brief the Bilderbergers - was not enough to persuade Sharon to even discuss the dismantling of Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.

American imperial adventures are usually rehearsed at Bilderberg meetings. Europe's elite were opposed to an American invasion of Iraq since the 2002 Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Virginia. Rumsfeld himself had promised them it wouldn't happen. Last week, everybody struck back at Rumsfeld, asking about the infamous "weapons of mass destruction". Most of Europe's elite do not believe American promises that Iraq's oil will "benefit the Iraqi people". They know that revenues from Iraqi oil will be used to rebuild what America has bombed. And the debate is still raging on what kind of contracts which rewarded Bechtel and Halliburton will "benefit" Western Europe. Europe's elite, according to those close to Bilderberg, are suspicious that the US does not need or even want a stable, legitimate central government in Iraq. When that happens, there will be no reason for the US to remain in the country. Europe's elite see the US establishing "facts on the ground": establishing a long-term military presence and getting the oil flowing again under American control. This could go on for years, as long as the Americans can guarantee enough essential services to prevent the Iraqi people from engaging in a war of national liberation.
It was also extremely hard at the Versailles meeting to forge a consensus on the necessity of a European Union army totally independent of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The US establishment, of course, is against the EU army. But so are some Europeans, starting with anti-army cheerleader Lord Robertson, NATO's secretary general. Europe's elite can't stand US domination of NATO any more. Some Europeans suggest a separate force, but controlled by NATO. Americans argue that a separate EU force would dissolve NATO's role as the UN's world army. And Americans insist that NATO is no longer confined to the defense of Europe: its troops now could go anywhere in the world, directed or not by the UN Security Council. The impasse remains.

All these crucial developments were discussed behind closed doors. The Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles was closed to the public and all non-Bilderberg guests had to check out. Part-time employees were sent home. The ones who remained were told that they would be fired if caught revealing anything about the meeting. They couldn't speak to any Bilderberger unless spoken to. They couldn't look anybody in the eye. Armed guards completely isolated and cordoned off the hotel. Some members of the American corporate press were there - but the public will never know about it: Bilderberg news is not fit to print - or broadcast. No journalists from any media controlled by Bilderberg multinational tycoons such as Rupert Murdoch were or will be allowed to report it. Even if they somehow managed to crash the party. There's no business like (private) elite business.
By Pepe Escobar - Asia Times - 22nd May 2003

To see how the bilderberg group fits into the bigger picture please dissect the following rockefeller groups....

Trilateral Commission (meeting in Warsaw Poland Annual Meeting - Friday, May 07 2004, (week after World Economic Forum (WEF) 28 - 30th April 2004 also in Warsaw, Poland  http://www.trilateral.org

Council on Foreign Relations - Controling future trends? or just anilitical? you decide....  http://www.cfr.org

Many more stink tanks involved too, you'll have to fit these pieces of the jigsaw together yourselves.

"...when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people - will hate the New World Order - and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate it's promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."
- H.G. Wells, The New World Order (1939)

Global Elite
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Further reading

18.02.2004 11:45

For futher reading as reccomend by indymedia  http://www.crank.net/conspiracy.html

Evidently the Bilderberg Group is harmless and anyone whom says different are all a bunch of far right extremist crack pots.

I'd disagree but hey, this is there website.

global elite
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I can't believe you fell for it !

18.02.2004 12:32

I can't believe people are still falling for this spoof organisation and its sites that were put up some time ago. The Bilderberg Group was the creation of two students at the New York School of Journalism (Tom Waters and Ed Picket) as an experiment to see if people could be fooled and how that could be spread by the internet. It was featured in The Times and Guardian as recently as 2002.

It makes for great reading but I seem to remember Pottit was very unhappy about it and was thinking of sueing at one point.

I know a lot of people were convinced but a little basic research will bring up the facts.

Dave


far-right crackpots

18.02.2004 12:44

I am not normally one to throw around these terms lightly, but this post is in fact RACIST BULLSHIT (thinly veiled).

Doing a search using text from this article reveals that one possible source of this article is the Asia Times article at  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE22Ak03.html

In the version posted above is a sentence that reads:

"An influential European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial meltdown; so the only way to save their precious investments is to bet on the new global crisis centered around the Middle East, which replaced the crisis evolving around the Cold War."

In the Asia Times version, the original, it reads:

"An influential Jewish European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions..."

When I hear the phrases "Jewish", "bankers" and "minions" in the same sentence, my bullshit detector goes off.

Now, the big question is, did you edit this paragraph yourself? Normally as an Indymedia admin I would just hide an article that selectively edits out overtly racist comments so that the article appears to be acceptable in terms of our editorial policy, but I'm sort of interested in seeing what your answer to this is going to be...this Bilderberg stuff does generally seem to be linked to anti-semitic far-right (closet Nazi) ideas in my experience, and this is no exception. People should be very wary of listening to this crap, and be careful around people who post it. The world is not run by a conspiracy of Jewish bankers, except in Nazi fantasies.

yossarian


This is not original journalism

18.02.2004 12:45

This article has appeared on the net many times before, try searching for some strings of text in it:

 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Bilderberg+news+is+not+fit+to+print+-+or+broadcast.%22&filter=0

 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22American+invasion+of+Iraq+since+the+2002+Bilderberg+meeting+in%22&filter=0

The Irish Indymedia site is considering some additional reasons for hiding stuff:

Cross-posting to multiple IMCs. Posts that are available elsewhere on the Indymedia network (on at least two other IMCs) shall be deleted, although in cases where the article is particularly relevant to Irish readers, it may be allowed to remain at the discretion of the editorial collective.

Cut and pastes. Posts that are publicly available elsewhere on the internet, or in the mainstream media. We do realise, however, that there can sometimes by a strong case for articles published elsewhere to be brought to the attention of IMC readers. In these cases, we ask contributors to write an original introduction to the article, highlighting its relevance to Irish indymedia readers and include a link to the article. Users can also choose post a short note and a link in the Media Updates link at the top of the newswire. In particular, articles that consist of an original introduction and contain several links to articles containing background information stand a good chance of being made into front-page features

 http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=63220

Perhaps the UK site could do with some rules like this also....

debunker


contamination

18.02.2004 13:24

Sometimes I want to react like Dave and just take the piss out of people who post such stuff, as one often find oneself going round in circles debating with those who try to push a focus on the Bilderberg Group as aiding our undertanding of way forward.
Especially when done under term Global Elite, which has comment currency amounst the far right rather than the left. The left generally uses the term ruling class to talk of those who have executive power such as those who attend g8 meetings or World Bank and IMF, and also includes those who weld the power of capital. It is the power of capital that openly oppresses us, forcing us to sell our labour. We don't need to realise hidden truths of magic wands co-ordinated by meetings such as Bilderburg to find the way forward to liberate ourselves.
Our history is the history of class struggle not of the plots of king and queens, of 'great people'.
The term Global Elite can encompass all who one wish to project ones fantasies onto including those without executive power.
It is move in a reactionary direction for those that seek a better world to use it.

A few years ago I would have been alarmed to see the term 'rockefeller groups'
but in age of internet copy and paste no longer suprising.

Thing is those on the ball in direct mileu will be stopping business as usual durring g8 summit and organising around that. Others will be seduced by the idea that bilderberg is significant but they will not be able to muster much support and may find themselves drawing too close for comfort to some pretty unsavory politics.

Is it possible to anaylsis the Bilderberg Group from a a left wing persepective?
yes , Mike Peters does so at:

 http://www.xs4all.nl/~ac/global/achtergrond/bilderberg.htm

I think he is barking up wrong tree but he does manage to aviod contamination from far right. Very few others who report on bilderberg now do.

 http://j12.org/files/bilder.htm

sbunny
- Homepage: http://j12.org/files/bilder.htm


Bilderberg not significant? Use your noddle

18.02.2004 16:40

Non-existent meeting taking place in Versailles - 2003
Non-existent meeting taking place in Versailles - 2003

With the heads of European Royalty, The federal Reserve, prime/foreign ministers, World Bank, European Central Bank, Oil companies, top media companies, top biotech companies why would anyone think Bilderberg was significant?

One of the central problems is the lack of media coverage of Bilderberg. How on earth they managed to get absolutely no coverage from French media other than Paris indymedia last year is almost beyond belief... actually frightening... but they certainly were there! Even the BBC saw them.  http://www.bilderberg.org/2003.htm There were about 10 journalists that covered the Bilderberg's four day Versailles gig and I was treated to a five minute chat with the boss of chase manhattan bank David Rockefeller. He was certainly there along with his body guard  http://www.bilderberg.org/rockef.htm I got a picture of the King and queen of Spain too through their car window as they arrived.

Dunno whether the Bilder burglars will be coming to the UK this year though... I'm still not totally convinced. If they do let's force them out into the light - give the conference the critical attention it deserves. I have been campaigning for years for a press conference. They just freeze any press out that do attend.

As for me being a fascist - cmon get real! - I am about as leftie as you can get but also a pacifict and trade unionist. That really does exclude me from being a pervert/screwball of the extreme right. Just take a look at  http://www.bilderberg.org or  http://www.public-interest.co.uk to see where I'm coming from. On the slurs/accusations of anti-semitism I have a special page on that  http://www.bilderberg.org/jewish.htm Have you ever noticed, the (Bilderberg PR) people who make these accusations almost always do it anonymously - so I can't sue them???

As for those who say the group doesn't exist.... one wonders how desperate these guys are getting? see  http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#econ

Tony Gosling
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- Homepage: http://www.bilderberg.org


I can't believe this

18.02.2004 16:43

"can't believe people are still falling for this spoof organisation and its sites that were put up some time ago. The Bilderberg Group was the creation of two students at the New York School of Journalism (Tom Waters and Ed Picket) as an experiment to see if people could be fooled and how that could be spread by the internet. It was featured in The Times and Guardian as recently as 2002."


Yeah, and Disneyland is good for children...

This group was created in the Bilderberggroup:

the Trilateral Commission:

 http://www.trilateral.org/

the members:

 http://www.trilateral.org/memb.htm

What?

 http://www.trilateral.org/about.htm

Also:

The Crisis of Democracy
by Crozier, Huntington and Watanuki for the Trilateral Commission.
New York University Press, 1975
Bound by Minsky 1980
8 3/4" x 6" x 11"
Sheep, gold, barbed wire.

The authors propose that there is too much freedom in contemporary democracies, and that it is necessary to curtail personal freedoms in order to preserve the governability of democracies. In 1980 the choice in the USA presidential elections was of three teams, all of which included at least one member of the Trilateral Commission. I exhibited this book as a political comment, choosing the materials to reflect the metaphor of the text.

 http://www.minsky.com/crisis.htm


French article in Le Monde Diplomartique about the Trilateral Commission:

 http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2003/11/BOIRAL/10677



What do have Kissinger, Thatcher and Havel have in common?

New Atlantic Initiative (NAI)

Patrons

The Hon. Vбclav Havel
The Rt. Hon. Margaret Thatcher
The Hon. Helmut Schmidt
The Hon. Leszek Balcerowicz
The Hon. Henry Kissinger
The Hon. George Schultz

 http://www.aei.org/research/nai/about/projectID.11/default.asp


For the sheeps, keep on dreaming...

neo_cor
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wake up uk indymedia

18.02.2004 17:52

Well Vancouver Indymedia seem to think Bilderberg exists

 http://vancouver.indymedia.org/
They ask

"Is Paul Martin a member of the shadowy, secret cabal known as the Bilderberg Group - leading moguls of government, media, banking, multinational corporations, the World Bank, Federal Reserve, WTO, Monsanto, etc.?"

Asking questions about secret meetings between the most powerful people in the world is NOT right wing, fascist, anti semitic and crackpot. Nor is it homophobic or rascist. It has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity.

It is about transparency and truth.

Surely it is our right to know what is being planned for us?

the truthseeker


yeah right

18.02.2004 17:58

Bilderberg doesn't exist huh !

get real

alice


OK believe it if you want to . . .

18.02.2004 18:00

Interesting this is exactly what the creators of the fictional "Bilderberg Group" predicted would happen. Rumour becomes fact through Internet repetition. The creation of spin off sites that "prove" what was simply made up. Picket wrote a paper for a Chicago newspaper where he estimated references to Bilderberg would be such that pictures would appear "proving" the attendence of key individuals.

It is also fun to see how the "key" figures have changes in the telling, for example it is now the Queen of the Netherlands providing the Royal interest in the original it was the King of Norway.

Perhaps in the internet we have created the ultimate Chinease Whisper full of self fullfiling theores which exist just because somebody so much wants them to be real.

Dave


Global Elite

18.02.2004 20:05

You are quite entitled to 'Can and Label' what you like. Call it 'anti-semitic far-right (closet Nazi) ideas' if you so wish but there was no facism or anti semitic remarks in my posting. I agree entirely that the pepe escobar article should have be published in its entirety and you are right that I editted the said paragraphs to satisfy your editorial guidelines, but implying that I am in some way a racist is a little far fetched don't you think? I'm not going to respond to totally un-founded remarks like that. The point of my posting was to enlighten people about the bilderberg group, not to get involved in the internal editorial politics of individual editors of indymedia uk. From the example this thread has set it seems like bilderberg reportage is not welcome here, so If anyone wants to report on bilderberg issues please feel free to post on our open publishing website @  http://www.global-elite.org

Anyway see Dictionary.com for the meaning of......

Global - Of, relating to, or involving the entire earth; worldwide: global war; global monetary policies.
 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=global

Elite - A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elite

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Don't in anyway apologise

18.02.2004 23:47

The policing of these kinds of forums is becoming ever more heavy-handed with repeated trolls and denials of real recorded organisations and events becoming ever more frequent
I shall certainly take a look at the global elite website, but don't for a minute think of keeping this stuff out of here, no matter how manu vipers are willing to pounce.
This information needs to be spread around in spite of the 'radical' cops

dh


bilderberg bbc story

19.02.2004 01:24

here is a bbc story about the bilderberg meeting in May 2003

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3031717.stm

luther


context and understanding

19.02.2004 03:02

looking up:
 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Rootless
and
 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Cosmopolitans
does not blind me to meaning of term when used by:
 http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/chernov/chernov-cosmo-e.html
Nor do this views coming from the left or having anti nazi credentials hide the anti semitism.

sbunny
- Homepage: http://j12.org/files/bilder.htm


can't believe that there could be that many jerks on IMC

19.02.2004 08:47

I am sitting here wotching a dutch video, with quite a bit of english, about the Bilderberg group got Prince Barnard speaking to the first meeting 1954, "he clearly states that their is no press so you free to let yourselfs go" the programme goes on to explain how the americans colonised europe after WW2 with the excuse to counter the menace of Communism. NIce bit of History with archive films
Oh here's an interview with David Rockerfella , he's down with it .
There's film of the meeting of at Versaille featuring beatrix queen of Holland who's minders refuse to let the camera anywhere near her.

Wasn't it Hattersley who said that Bilderberg is not Secret it's Private.
I wonder do any of the cretins who have put up the previous comments will be able to explain away the 50 million quid that will be spent on security for this non existant groups meeting which will be held ion some remote 5 star venue at the expense of the UK tax payer ..

Shall I pop copy of this videa into the post , whots your address funny bunny ? Millbank opposite Vauxhall Station ?

Delft Potter


Righto then dh...

19.02.2004 11:53

Just because someone is skpetical of a certian conspriacy theory (for example the Bilderburgs), and expresses his/her views on IMC, it makes them a cop huh?

Gee, there must be a lot of cops posting to IMC then...

Tom A


why does it matter?

19.02.2004 18:02

The ruling classes exploit the rest of us economically, and keep us oppressed and divided through racism, imperialism + war. And they do it openly!

What difference does it make whether some of them are in secret clubs?

kurious


Lot of cops or a lot of very stupid people

19.02.2004 18:29

Come on this is not people airing their honest opinions, if not they wouldn't try to play down something as serious as the Bilderberg group. Bilderberg is very well documented these days, most of the broad sheet UK newspapers have run articles and the BBC has made a programme .
There are two choices either they are trying to spread misinformation or they are just stupid idiots who don't have a clue about what is going on in the world.

yuk


rofl

19.02.2004 18:55

"The ruling classes exploit the rest of us economically, and keep us oppressed and divided through racism, imperialism + war. And they do it openly!"

In trhe USA, yeah, not in Europe.

"What difference does it make whether some of them are in secret clubs?"

If it doesn't matter, why are some not elected people meeting each other secretly?

rofl


The usual suspects ...

19.02.2004 19:23

I have been studing the 'form' on the Bilderbergs for more than a few years (first comming across them from that marvellous and mischevious mag - Vague). In that time I have encountered and observered the full range and gamult of reactions - from the laconic 'conspiracy theory rubbish' (a variation of the finger in the ear stunt); the depressing 'anti-semitic' emergency flip switch; the exeedingly dull 'so what about a bunch of rich folk anyway' and the absurd 'it's only a private club' mantra.

It's been sometime since anyone had the nerve (or in this case, the stupidity) to claim that the Bilderberg group don't exist!

It seems there is some inbuilt function of denial - akin to the 'it can't happen here' mindset - attatched to the body politic.

The facts remain, as always, the same.

Created as a front for and a continuation of the policies of a powerful international group of industrialists, bankers, policians, heads of state, military planners and various shades of policy wonks, the Bilderberg group (named after the hotel that the'first' meeting took place) admits by invitation only and can trace it's roots back to the 'one europe' notion of Hitlers central planners.

Indeed, the early roll call reads like a convention of third reich devoties including a full SS colonal (Price Bernard of the Netherlands) and several near and not so near relatives of our own royal paracites.

They are as dodgy as fuck and anyone who thinks different either doesn't know - so should keep the fuck quite - or is dodgy as fuck themselves (false flag communist, rightwing stirrer, drivilling media whore etc etc)

It is of some considerable importance that everyone with a functioning brain and with reasonable hope for humanity, investigate to the n'th degree organistions like the Bilderbergs and their ilke ... if only to know thy enemy, but more importantly to identitfy the plans that they are formenting for us (consumer credit enslavement, total information awareness and monitoring, tight control and distribution of foodstuffs, good citizen/good consumer testing and segregation, etc etc ...)

You don't have to be a six foot lizard to believe ...

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


Tom A

20.02.2004 00:14

These lines are rife with people in denial, conscious or unconscious police. Lately, people who will deny real reported events exist
Look down this list where certain people seek to deny that Andreas bon Buelow was a senior minister in the German government over 25 years, and whose book "9/11 and the CIA" exposes the Bush engineering of said event
 http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67872
The push is on where people deny real factual recording in order to maintain the Big Sleep

dh


Wow !

20.02.2004 08:44

Wow ! Some of you are just so dedicated to wanting to believe aren't you. I loved the idea that I'm the one trying to spread disinformation when it is those who are creating the idea of organisations like Bilderberg / Jewish elite / Freemasons / insert group name here etc who are doing the damage.

Can you not see how you are being manipulated ? How your attention is being drawn to so called secret organisations which you will then spend time and energy fighting while the real problems are overlooked.

I've been involved in left of centre social justice issues for nearly thirty years and during that time I have seen this tactic used time and time again and always with great effect. Look at some of the leaders of the organisations who co-ordinate so called "protest" ask where their funding comes from, ask where they came from !

I repeat my request from previous postings , work at a local level, infuence change through through a local network and don't get drawn into these mass deceptions.

Dave


A real Shame

20.02.2004 09:03

Delft Potter - 'can't believe that there could be that many jerks on IMC'
- dont you mean "I can't believe that there could be that many jerks inside IMC"

The only people I see playing the race card on this thread is a few select editors from indymedia uk whom are spouting the same rhetoric as the Bilderberg PR people.
Usually the mainstream media refuses to report on bilderberg group because either it is owned by a regular from Bilderberg like 'Conrad Black' (boss of the Telegraph and Hollinger news empire) or they are being finacialy supported through Bilderberg or a foundation remotely connected to it.

Many journalists have had there careers threatened with similar slurs on there name for their reportage of bilderberg. It seems that the PR people will go to any length to see bilderberg goes un-reported; Campbell Thomas, attempted to cover the bilderberg conference in Turnberry, Scotland, and was duly arrested for 'knocking on a door'.

I have always admired indymedias reports on matters but this is a real shame, I shall not be posting here again.

sprout


Trilateral Commission

20.02.2004 16:27

In one of the comments above you can see information about the Trilateral Commission, it's a group born in Bilderberg,

 http://www.trilateral.org/

the members:

 http://www.trilateral.org/memb.htm


see also:

 http://www.minsky.com/crisis.htm


These people are editors, ministers, heads of state,...

do you really think they just play cards on there meetings?

Lobbygroups are there to lobby...



reminder


Bilderberg and Conrad Black

21.02.2004 14:05

Would you buy a used car from this man?
Would you buy a used car from this man?

Just spotted this in The Times - Prufrock delighting in the fall of the Baron of the Daily Telegraph

Just in case you thought the Bilderbergers were a bunch of crooks you understand!


Prufrock: Rulers of the world prepare to expel Black
 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1001366,00.html

MORE bad news for Conrad Black, the ousted chairman of Hollinger, which owns the Telegraph newspapers. The disgraced Canadian press baron faces being pushed out of Bilderberg, the elite club that conspiracy theorists think really runs the world.

As befits somone fascinated by powerful historical figures, Black has long been a dedicated member of the secretive group of businessmen and diplomats. But his financial woes, including the small matter of a dispute over $300m of payments at Hollinger, have left the inner circle at Bilderberg increasingly uncomfortable.

The final straw came this month when Black said he would sue Henry Kissinger and Richard Perle, both directors of Hollinger and fellow Bilderbergers. Now he is going to be pressed to leave the group. Meetings of its steering committee have become awkward affairs since Black had his little spot of bother, said one insider. His exile from the rich and powerful will be particularly painful, but perhaps he will be comforted by the words of one of his heroes, Napoleon, who said it was “better to have a known enemy than a forced ally”.

The deadline for bids for the papers passed last week, but there is one outstanding bid still to come: from the Berrys, the aristocratic press barons from whom Black wrestled the Telegraph in 1985. Three weeks after Prufrock first revealed the Berrys’ determination to win back the papers, their bid is still alive. Watch this space.

 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1001366,00.html

Tony Gosling
mail e-mail: tony@gaia.org
- Homepage: http://www.bilderberg.org


The Group Is Very Real

21.02.2004 15:11

"The Bilderberg Group was the creation of two students at the New York School of Journalism ..."

No, that's not true. The group was created initially by an ex-Nazi.

If your LIE were to be true, you see, the Palace Trianon in Versaille wouldn't have held a meeting of the group in 2003, and respond as such when I wrote to them.

If your fictional story exists, why can't you link the story ... ?


It never ceases to amaze me how quick the Spooks jump on discussions about the group, but then never support their LIES with anything.

And Was The Creation Of An Ex-Nazi


The WOMBLES are real!...

22.02.2004 15:33

The fact that there are is a real groups called the WOMBLES does not mean that reports are real that beleive that they can create a riot on mayday in dublin.

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/02/285444.html

On has to read such reports with a understanding of how groups with society function, to see the value of such reports. Some facts in them are right, some are wrong, but it is the overall analysis and emphasis that is bullshit.



sbunny
- Homepage: http://j12.org/files/bilder.htm


What do you mean?

23.02.2004 08:58

..."Some facts in them are right, some are wrong, but it is the overall analysis and emphasis that is bullshit." ...

What do you mean?

This is suposition, left hanging without any of this 'overall analysis' that you speak of.

What facts are right?

What wrong?

Interesting though, that you seek to justify your invisable argument with reference to the 'media' distorting and scaremongering for the ruling classes. The fact that the Bilderberg meetings have a high proportion of media owners and operators attending should indicate to you that the control they seek, is the control you and others seem to want to deny they have!

And by the way, are there any Billionaire wombles involved in planning and executing an overarching control over the world and its resources, or is that just this insignificant group[sic]?

Now, I don't want to lend credence to the notion that groups like the Bilderbergs have actually succeeded in gaining the control they seek - they haven't, but they seek it still - rather that [we] must not shy away from the realisation that certain things that [we] do and say allow them to exercise whatever power it is that [we] give them!

One of these things is to give into despair and hopelessness. Another is to ignore their presence and even their existance.

Remember, there are [far] more of us than them and that LOVE is the most powerful force in the universe




jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


Usual Indymedia Suspects

29.11.2004 21:58

So, yossarian and space bunny resort to the script and play the racist/anti-Semetic card. Most enlightened people know that this pair are either too deeply indoctrinated by socialist ideology that they actually believe that socialist slavery is somehow better than capitalist slavery or they are having their strings pulled. The world bankers which they often cite as being anti-Semitic code are in fact the Rockefellers, the Morgans and the Rotschilds, only the latter being Jewish.

References to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are often followed by a statement that they are known forgeries. That is interesting and possibly true. But what is evident is that the writing is over 100 years old an is a blueprint for global domination and has been closely adhered to. Whether it was written by a Jew is somewhat irrelevant. Much of the language is ambiguous but its reference to Zionism ought to be interpreted politically rather than racially or religiously. If this had been written as a novel it would be hailed as a literary prophecy along with 1984 and Brave New World but instead, and perhaps by design, it is seen by many who haven't bothered to read it or analyse it as a piece of racist propaganda.

The person calling himself Dave is either an idiot or somebody who thinks we are all idiots. Anybody doubting or trying to spread doubt about the Bilderbergs must have just woken up after a century of sleep or have an agenda. There is nothing to debate, Dave, either go back to sleep or report back to your minder that a significant number aren't falling for the faux left G8 diversion. Sure, G8 is real but it is just as much a distraction for people like yossarian and space bunny to hold up like a matador's cape for everybody to traipse up to Scotland for a week only to be either oblivious or too knackered to be bothered with Bilderberg shortly afterwards. Maybe I am doing you a diservice, yossarian, space bunny and numerous others, maybe you are just a bit thick. But you are too adamant in your dismissiveness and consequently extremely suspect.

By the way, it was Dennis Healey who said that the Bilderberg meetings weren't secret but private. He also stated elsewhere that a book called Who's Who of the Elite 'crap'. Well, as Mandy Rice-Davies said, 'he would say that, wouldn't he!'

Pravda
- Homepage: http://www.notinmyname.fsnet.co.uk/


the protocols are a memetic politically useful doctrine

15.04.2005 00:04

As a historical document it is an absolute fraud. As a conspiracy theory it is utterly spurious and without merit. Nevertheless, the so-called Protocols of the Elders of Zion has insinuated itself into many latter-day conspiracy theories, perpetuating the myth that Jews control the world just as a virtuoso manipulates the strings of his violin.

That racist, anti-Semitic theory can be found in "New World Order" theories that posit that all-powerful Jewish bankers are the string pullers behind global events. As ridiculous as it sounds, this bogus scenario recently found its way into popular theories in Malaysia and Japan, stating that Jews had sabotaged the Asian economies, forcing them to collapse. (As usual, there was no evidence to back this theory.)

Exactly how the myth of the global Jewish conspiracy became so entrenched around the globe - even in the Far East, where Jews are indeed scarce - is a fascinating story. It also remains a popular theory among anti-Semites in Europe, America, and the Middle East. In fact, it's rather ironic that the racist canard known as the "International Zionist Conspiracy" sprouted from a political tract having nothing at all to do with Jews. In its earliest form, that tract appeared shortly after the French Revolution.

The apocryphal document that has promoted the racist canard of the Jewish conspiracy for nearly a century is called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The origin of the Protocols myth is instructive: It is an amalgam of fictional documents, plagiarized political pamphlets, and innuendo that fermented in Europe during the nineteenth century. The earliest germ of the myth can be found in a 1797 book by the French Cleric Abbe Barruel on the revolutionary Jacobins. This book, which became a bestseller in Europe and America, posited that the secret societies known as the Illuminati and Freemasons were the gray eminence behind the French Revolution.

But Barruel made no mention of the Jews in the book. The Jews were folded into the myth in 1806, when Baruel received a letter from a retired army officer living in Florence, one J. B. Simonini. Simonini warned Barruel about a "Judaic sect" that was "the most formidable power, if one considers its great wealth and the protection it enjoys in almost all European countries." Simonini claimed that he uncovered their nefarious plot by disguising himself as a Jew and infiltrating a conspiratorial gathering of Piedmontese Jews in northern Italy. According to Simonini, the Jewish plotters confessed to him that they had founded the Illuminati and Freemasons and also had infiltrated the ranks of Christian clergymen. What's more, they were planning to install a Jew as pope.

The conspiratorial notion resurfaced seventy-five years after the Simonini letter in a novel written by an official in the Prussian postal service (Sir John Retcliffe, a pen name of Hermann Goedsche). This fictional work contained a chapter called "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague" that described how every one hundred years, the elders of the twelve tribes of Israel gathered at the grave of the most senior rabbi to plot the enslavement of the Gentile world. This chapter was reprinted as a pamphlet in Russia and France, and over time it came to be accepted as fact.

The full-blown Protocols of the Elders of Zion appeared in Russia at the turn of the century. The book plagiarized from both Retcliffe's novel and an 1965 pamphlet attacking Napoleon III called Dialogue aux Enfers entre Montesquieu et Machiavel, by Maurice Joly. In essence, the Protocols fused a French political tract to the fantasy of a Jewish plot to control the world. Spanning twenty-four chapters and twelve hundred pages, the Protocols consisted of a series of written lectures in which a member of the secret Jewish world government - the Elders of Zion - outlined the Jewish scheme for world domination. The Protocols claimed that because people are incapable of governing themselves, what the world needed was a Machiavellian despot.

Moreover, the Protocols claimed that the Jews, in preparation for a worldwide revolution, had been pitting Gentile citizens against their feckless leaders. After the revolution, the Jewish overlords would keep the Gentiles in line by imposing a social welfare state based on centralized government, full employment, taxation in proportion to wealth, public education, and support for small business. According to the Protocols, the Elders of Zion would dangle the carrot of liberty before their subjects but never deliver on its promise.

In Russia this counterfeit document helped fuel the anger and hysteria that led to the pogroms. (Another version was later used by the czar's secret police just before the Russian Revolution to justify a crackdown on revolutionaries living outside Russia.) The Protocols soon circulated in Germany, finding an audience eager to believe its claims: The German defeat in World War I was already being blamed on the Jews. British newspapers reviewed and commented on the document, further advancing its renown. The Nazi party would later fold the Protocols into its twisted ideology.

During the 1920s in America, the Protocols found their biggest champion in automobile pioneer Henry Ford. According to historian Leo P. Ribuffo, the Protocols came to Ford via one of his representatives, who acquired the document from a Russian �igr�who claimed to have information on Jewish plots throughout Europe. The Dearborn Independent began publishing a series of articles on the "International Jew."

As a scapegoating document, the Protocols have always reflected the concerns of the group that adopts them. As Rubuffo notes, the document in America came to represent concerns different from those it had in Russia. In Russian hands, the Protocols were used to justify the right-wing oligarchy's attempts to retain power - by blaming that country's turmoil on the Jews. In Ford's hands, the Protocols were used to explain the widespread and daunting social changes that were under way in post-Civil War, rapidly industrializing America. The rise of workers' unions, the influx of new immigrants, the growth of "big government" - all of these unsettling new developments were blamed on the Jews. Ford also emphasized the Protocols claim that Jews controlled the world's financial institutions and spread political radicalism. The Dearborn Independent went so far as to claim that Christopher Columbus had been manipulated by Jews.

The Protocols found their way to Japan in 1917. According to David G. Goodman and Masanori Miyazawa, authors of Jews in the Japanese Mind, Japanese soldiers dispatched to the Russian Far East after the Bolshevik Revolution picked up copies of the document from counterrevolutionary White Russian troops and carried them home. Thus would the seeds of the myth of the international Jewish conspiracy sprout in Japanese soil, as always reflecting the fears and concerns of the host nation. According to Goodman and Miyazawa, the anti-Semitic myth in Japan has served to strengthen the Japanese sense of self, an image defined by "ethnic nationalist xenophobia." Just as it did in America, the Protocols myth has fueled conspiracy theories that attempt to define outside threats by giving them a Jewish face.

Sadly, it is the flexibility of this myth, the way it can be twisted to appeal to the collective national fears of any country, that keeps it alive. As the trend toward economic nationalism, the spurious myth of the international Zionist conspiracy will undoubtedly continue to rear its ugly head time and again.

victor ace


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