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Depleted uranium and the atomic bombing of Japan

Bob Nichols | 28.03.2004 07:29

This story is about American weapons built with Uranium components for the business end of things. Just about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered.

From AxisofLogic.com
Critical Analysis
There Are No Words ... Depleted Uranium Radiation in Iraq Equals 250,000 Nagasaki Bombs
By Bob Nichols
Mar 27, 2004, 14:47

As a writer I do not have a set of words to describe what 142 Degrees in the shade is like. I've seen 120 D. in Phoenix and 110 D in the spa's sauna I use. One hundred forty-two degrees leaves me speechless. Try to imagine 142 D temperature while wearing a helmet, long sleeve shirt, long pants, a bullet proof vest, boots, and carrying a 70 pound pack.

By contrast the Inuit of Alaska and Canada have thirty-seven words to precisely talk about different kinds of snow.

So, since the temperature is heating up in Iraq it seemed like a good time to float this story to different Internet sites and news publications. There was one story in 2003 of one 19 year old British soldier whose military job was to work in a British tank. In Iraq. In the summer. Word is, from London, that he forgot to drink enough water and he literally cooked in his tank.

But, this story is not about the temperature in Iraq. You can bet, though, the weather will be really important for those Americans unfortunate enough to still be in Iraq this summer.

This story is about American weapons built with Uranium components for the business end of things. Just about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against them has Uranium in it. Lots of Uranium.

In the case of a cruise missile, as much as 800 pounds of the stuff. This article is about how much radioactive uranium our guys, representing us, the citizens of the United States, let fly in Iraq. Turns out they used about 4,000,000 pounds of the stuff, give or take. That is a bunch.

Now, most people have no idea how much Four Million Pounds of anything is, much less of Uranium Dust (UD), which this stuff turns into when it is shot or exploded. Suffice it to say it is about equal to 1,333 cars that weigh three thousand pounds per car. That is a lot of cars; but, we can imagine what a parking lot with one thousand three hundred and thirty three cars is like. The point is: this was and is an industrial strength operation. It is still going on, too.

No sir-ee, putting Four Million Pounds of Radioactive Uranium Dust (RUD) on the ground in Iraq was a definitely "on-purpose" kind of thing. It was not "just an accident." We, the citizens of the United States, through our kids in the Army, did this on purpose.

When the uranium bullets, missiles, or bombs hit something or explode most of the radioactive uranium turns instantly to very, very small dust particles, too fine to even see. When US Troopers or Iraqis breathe even a tiny amount into their lungs, as little as One Gram, it is the same as getting an X-Ray every hour for the rest of their shortened life.

The uranium cannot be removed, there is no treatment, there is no cure. The uranium will long outlast the Veterans' and the Iraqis' bodies though; for, you see, it lasts virtually forever.

But, it gets worse. Seems an Admiral who is the former Chief of the Naval Staff of India wanted to know how much radiation this represented. He also wanted to express the amount in a figure that the world, especially the non American world, could easily understand.

The Admiral decided to figure out how many Nagasaki Atom Bombs it would take to deliver the equivalent of the total amount of radiation deployed in Iraq in 2003 in Four Million Pounds of uranium.

The Admiral also wanted to figure out how much radiation the United States Military Forces have deployed in the last Five American Wars, the so-called Five Nuclear Wars.

That is a simple enough task for somebody like the Naval Chief of Staff for a country that is a member of the Nuclear Club. Using the Nagasaki bomb for the measuring stick is a particularly gruesome twist, though. For those of you in the States who do not know it, the United States Military Forces dropped two nuclear Bombs on Japan at the close of World War II. The whole world remembers that.

One Atom Bomb was dropped by Americans on the city of Hiroshima, the other on the city of Nagasaki three days later. About 170,000 people were incinerated immediately. It was a really big deal.

It is a measuring stick that plays very well in the rest of the world; but, not very well on Fox News (Fair & Balanced) (c) or the rest of the Fox-like American media. The Department of Energy still lists the Hiroshima and Nagasaki detonations as "tests." The admiral released the data months ago at a scientific conference in India. This article is the first report of the data in the United States. It will first be released on the Internet.

The admiral in India calculated the number of radioactive atoms in the Nagasaki bomb and compared it with the number in the 4,000,000 pounds of uranium left in Iraq from the 2003 war. Now, believe me, it is a lot more complex than that; but, that is essentially what the experts in India did.

How many Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs equal the Radiation loosed in the 2003 Iraq war? Answer: About 250,000 Nuclear Bombs.

How many Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs equal the Radiation loosed in the last Five American Nuclear Wars? Answer: About 400,000 Nuclear Bombs.

Who would do something like this?

We would. The only people in the history of the world to engage in Nuclear Wars are Americans, citizens of the United States. Allegedly, the Germans and Japanese of WWII also wanted to engage in nuclear wars, except the American Military beat them to the draw, so to speak.

Respected academic scholars could debate forever whether or not Herr Hitler, Fuhrer of Germany, would have deployed uranium munitions in the Sudetenland if the weapons had been available. Certainly the Germans knew just as much about uranium wars as we did at the time. It seems doubtful that Adolph Hitler would have ordered the use of uranium munitions there because the Sudetenland was so close to the Fatherland, Nazi Germany.

An American General named Leslie Groves was in charge of the bomb making operation called The Manhattan Project. In 1943 The War Department knew exactly what uranium bullets and bombs were good for.

If the nuclear weapons did not detonate in Japan, the use of uranium bullets and bombs were the fall back position. It was not till Ronald Reagan was President in 1980 did the re-named Defense Department resurrect the deadly radioactive uranium bullets, bombs, and missiles. No wonder his popular nick-name was Ronnie Ray-Guns.

The American Military knew the symptoms of radiation poisoning in 1943 too; starting with the irritated sore throat through to an agonizing death from being cooked from the inside out.

President Bush promised to invade twelve countries in the 2003 State of the Union speech. I believe the man. For some reason, some misguided Americans do not believe him, or think he was "exaggerating." The rest of the world has every reason to believe him, though.

Not to worry, the President has plenty of raw material for radioactive uranium munitions left. There are more than 77,000 Tons stored at the 103 nuclear waste plants and the several Nuclear Weapons Labs in the US. Each one makes another 250 pounds of radioactive material a day for radioactive bullets, bombs, and missiles. Not to put too fine a point on it; but, that is enough for 40.5 more gloriously successful campaigns like the 2003 Nuclear War in Iraq.

Every year about this time the Southern winds leave a fine desert sand on the windshields of cars parked outside in Continental Europe and Britain. Soon this sand dust will carry a surprise. Thanks to the Americans. Thanks to us. We did this to the world. And, we wonder why they hate and despise us so.

These uranium weapons' indiscriminate killing effect gives a whole new meaning to the age old term: cannon fodder. In Iraq, what goes around, comes around. If not the uranium munitions themselves, the uranium dust will be in the bodies of our returning armed forces, time bombs slowly ticking away the lives of the gullible and the ignorant with their very own internal radiation source, the cannon fodder of the 21st Century American Nuclear Wars.

Put your ending to this article next.

A lot of people have done everything we can think of to stop these nuclear wars. Even more specifically to stop the use of uranium as a munition and shut down the nuclear power plants. We have tried and failed for years. Why don't you give it a try? Can't hurt anything! Write what steps you would take to turn this situation around. Contact me at:  bobnichols@cox.net.
Bob Nichols writes in Oklahoma City and is the Editorial writer for DemoOkie.com. Bob Nichols is a contributing writer for LiberalSlant, Democratic Underground, OnlineJournal, AmericaHeldHostage, and other online dot com publications. Mr. Nichols is a frequent contributor to The Oklahoma Observer and other print publications. He lives and works in Oklahoma. He is a member of CASE -- Citizens' Action for Safe Energy, and President of the Carrie Dickerson Foundation. CASE has successfully killed two serious, well funded attempts to build Nuclear Power Plants in Oklahoma and several attempts to site what is now known as the "Yucca Mountain Reactor Dump" in Oklahoma. All these efforts to build nuclear facilities have failed. CASE won every time. Copyright 2004, Bob Nichols. All rights reserved. Permission for reposting is allowed provided the complete text and attribution are kept intact.
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Comments

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THIS ARTICLE IS FULL OF LIES

28.03.2004 10:26

Four million pounds of DU?? This is a complete and utter falsehood. Lie. Rubbish.

I would like to know where the author gets this figure from other than from his imagination.

The comparison with Hiroshima is completely and uterly meaningless. The 170,000 dead he quotes were killed by the blast and heat from the fission of uranium and plutonium. This is a completely different phenomenon from radioactive decay.

Where does uranium come from? From the ground. All the uranium that is present on Earth was formed in the explosion of a star some 6 or so billion years ago. The solar system was created from that debris. U238 is so feebly radioactive that a lot still remains after 6 billion years. Uranium is mined from the ground. DU is actually less radiactive than natural uranium. Uranium is part of the natural environment.

If you want another use of DU - it has been used for years as counterweights in jumbo jets. Boeing 747s. Next time you visit Heathrow or any other major airport, think of this: there are several tonnes of DU near you. Why do they use it? It's dense and it's safe.

sceptic


POISON IS HARMLESS

28.03.2004 12:30

Why worry about Depleted Uranium? After all, it's natural, just like cyanide.

Cyanide is released from natural substances in some foods and in certain plants such as cassava. Cyanide is contained in cigarette smoke and the combustion products of synthetic materials such as plastics. Combustion products are substances given off when things burn. In manufacturing, cyanide is used to make paper, textiles, and plastics. It is present in the chemicals used to develop photographs. Cyanide salts are used in metallurgy for electroplating, metal cleaning, and removing gold from its ore. Cyanide gas is used to exterminate pests and vermin in ships and buildings.

It's all around you, and you're not dead. So why worry?

Dr. Sarcasm


sarcasm

28.03.2004 13:54

sarcasm is indeed the lowest form of wit. And used by the lowest form of life.

yes, indeed, cyanide is poisonous. so is water. try getting a litre in your lungs.

which complete misses the point.

1. DU was not used in Afghanistan. This journalist is either a fool or a liar.

2. I did not say there was no cause for complaint using uranium munitions. uranium is poisonous. so is lead, which is used for bullets. should we ban lead bullets?

sceptic


Sceptic is full of Schit

28.03.2004 16:55

Things like this normally get hidden, using all sort of bollocks to try and justify the IMC censorship on DU matters.........

See :  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/02/285613.html

AR


Sceptic u muppet!

28.03.2004 17:09

Ha ha ha ha!!! ur funny sceptic - at least be consistent if ur gonna make a stand... ha ha ha ha!!

U harrang and harrass the poster for 'taking thing from ur imagination' ( i'm paraphrasing before u rant about me not being able to read )
positively DEMANDING that the poster gives more evidence..... yet here u sit, happily throwing casual comments around like 'DU was not used in Afghanistan'.... ha ha ha!!
ur funny - superb job of destroying ur OWN credibility ha ha ha!!

have a nice daaaaay!!

ha ha ha ha ha!! :o)

Septic Sceptic


ah, sorry, I should have realised ...

28.03.2004 17:15

Pensions tribunals - the latest cutting edge of hi tech medical research ....

sceptic


evidence

28.03.2004 17:21

I not quite sure what you're on, septic, cloud nine or another planet.

Man writes article. Asserts DU used and compares it to Nagasaki. But if DU wasn't used, his article makes no sense whatsoever. That's why I object.

sceptic


Sceptic you brainless toad

28.03.2004 19:27

Sceptic, in case you didn't know, each cruise missile contains about 2 pounds of DU, and several of these were used on Afghanistan. The definition of DU is uranium with less than 50% of the radioactivity of Uranium -- ie. its shedding alpha particles like there is no tomorrow.

Maybe its time you admit that the organization you work for is employed by some fairly amoral bastards who don't mind causing massive gene mutations among brown people living far away (and among those of the lower classes, ie. people unlike us, who are stupid enough to fight in a uniform for the British and Americans).

Duppy Conqueror


...

28.03.2004 20:12

I posted on the other DU thread as well, but here is an interesting article

 http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/dissafdf.html

or a more general selection of articles

 http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/dissaf.html

I think governments denying they used DU weapons is hardly proof they did not. It is interesting what the 'mystery metal' might be in the bunker buster bombs. It may even be natural Uranium...

But to be honest, we're all engaged in speculation. What we do know is that Afghan civilians are showing higher levels of Uranium in their urine, since Gulf War 1 there have been a marked increase in birth defects and cancers in Iraq, and many soldiers returning from war have suffered from a mysterious 'Gulf War Syndrome'. Are these all independent, unrelated incidents? Perhaps they are...we need more scientific investigation to find out.

Hermes


DU

28.03.2004 20:30

Here is another interesting article.

 http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/pdf/dumyths.pdf

It is very critical of claims made by anti-DU activists, but also by pro-DU folk

It all boils down to people actually having to make a study into the effects of DU on civilian populations, rather than simple speculation. I'm sure both sides will read into it whatever they like...

Hermes


One last thing

28.03.2004 20:38

One last thing for Sceptic, though. You said that DU used as counterweights in airports is safe, but its not solid DU that's the problem, but the aerosols it produces when it vaporises after hitting a target. They can be inhaled, and get stuck in the lymphatic system, and can cause medical problems. The controversy is over how MUCH of a problem it can and has caused.

Hermes


some elementary arithmetic

28.03.2004 21:25

Uranium is present in the Earth’s crust at an average concentration of 2 parts per million. Rocks such as granite have higher than average concentrations of uranium, while sedimentary rocks have lower than average concentrations.

Let us take 1 tonne of U and reduce it to a concentration of 10 parts per million. This would give us 10^5 tonnes of earth. Given a density of 2.5 tonnes per cubic metre, this is a volume of 4 x 10^4 cubic metres.

This corresponds to a volume 1m deep with an area of 4 x 10^4 square metres. This is an area 200m by 200m. A football pitch is 100m by 50m. Thus, if you took 8 football pitches, the ground underneath it to the depth of 1 metre might contain 1 tonne of uranium. This is natural uranium. DU has only 60% of the radioactivity of natural uranium. Hence if we took 5 football pitches, the ground underneath to the depth of 1 metre would contain the equivalent of 1 tonne of DU.

Why don’t we see dead footballers? Deformed footballers’ children?

sceptic


to sceptic

28.03.2004 21:33

Maybe you didn't see the postings, or miss the point

Many radioactive substances are not dangerous when they are outside the body. This is because we have skin, which absorbs alpha and beta radiation. But when we ingest something radioactive, or breathe in radioactive dust, then we have problems.

When DU shells hit a tank, they form radioactive aerosols, which people breathe in, and become contaminated with. Thats why it shows up in urine tests. Just how dangerous these aerosols are is the subject of debate, but your analogy to football pitches and the like is completely irrelevant, because it's simply not the same.

Hermes


you're quite right

28.03.2004 21:56

about the aerosol effect.

But the plume is relatively localised, and the aerosol won't stay as an aerosol for long. It will soon end up in the ground.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that DU is totally harmless or anything near there. What I am saying is that the original post - if we drag can things back to that - is about as far from reality as you can get.

"In the case of a cruise missile, as much as 800 pounds of the stuff." Not true.

"Turns out they used about 4,000,000 pounds of the stuff, give or take" Not true.

"How many Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs equal the Radiation loosed in the 2003 Iraq war? Answer: About 250,000 Nuclear Bombs." Spread over the next few billion years.

"If the nuclear weapons did not detonate in Japan, the use of uranium bullets and bombs were the fall back position." Not true.

"President Bush promised to invade twelve countries in the 2003 State of the Union speech." Name them.

"2003 Nuclear War in Iraq" Not a nuclear war by any accepted definition.

"Every year about this time the Southern winds leave a fine desert sand on the windshields of cars parked outside in Continental Europe and Britain. Soon this sand dust will carry a surprise. Thanks to the Americans. Thanks to us. We did this to the world. And, we wonder why they hate and despise us so." I revert to my football pitch argument.

sceptic


Sceptic you DISHONEST brainless toad

28.03.2004 23:01

Sceptic, what a thick dishonest toad of a Stasi agent you are!

Your would-be sciencemongering frankly is the intellectual equivalent of 'when I was going to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives ...'

Its absolutely irrelevant how much uranium lies underneath a football field, since as a heavy metal (look at your periodic table you dunce, although you probably wouldnt understand the chemistry)-- most of it is deep in the mantle of the earth. That's where uranium belongs, deep underground. The point is that uranium has to be mined, and purified, and out of that processing comes some uranium which is weaponsgrade and some that is "depleted" (which as you kindly note may be over 50% of the radioactivity of normal uranium)

The point is not merely that the aerosol danger at the moment of impact of a DU loaded weapon. DU dust, through the impact of the British and American war criminals, is now distributed richly on the surfaces of Iraq and Afghanistan and indeed Yugoslavia. It penetrates the food/water supply, in desert environments which preserve the dust very nicely, it is there to be inhaled. Children pick up lumps of it and kick it about. DU contaminated steel from tanks and buildings destroyed by DU weapons goes to be smelted into scrap iron, high temperatures produce another aerosol episode--- and we get the high levels of birth defects we have seen in Iraq since 1991, Yugolavia and Afghanistan.

To distribute tons and tons of DU on the surface of a lived environment is precisely like a long term Hiroshima strike.



Duppy Conqueror


science

29.03.2004 00:23

The fact that most of the uranium may be deep in the mantle does not mean there is none in the surface.
"Uranium is present in the Earth’s crust at an average concentration of 2 parts per million"

Crust, not mantle.

A lot of uranium gets into the environment during mining. I attach a pdf describing some of this. You probably wouldn't understand it, though.

Notice with the football field analogy I said "1 metre deep".

A shower of rain would be enough to take most of the uranium to this depth. And yes, it does rain in Iraq.

sceptic


4,000,000 ponds of DU

29.03.2004 00:28

To take one of sceptics objections head-on.

Estimates for the amount of DU used in the recent Iraq war go as high as 2000 tonnes.
1 tonne equals 1000kg.
1kg = roughly 2 pounds.
So 2000 tonnes = roughly 4 million pounds.

2000 tonnes is not wildly larger than what the US eventually admitted to using in the first Gulf war. Go and look it up if you want.

2000 tonnes might sound like a lot of metal to drop on a country, but that's what happens during a war. Or hadn't you heard?

mark


UMRC

29.03.2004 08:27

"According to the Uranium Medical Research Centre, the main cities of Iraq are poisoned with radiation from uranium-tipped shells and missiles, fired by the Americans and the British.

Indeed, so contaminated are sections of Baghdad and Basra that coalition troops are not allowed to go anywhere near where their own shells have fallen – streets where children play, oblivious to the danger. In one report, Iraq is described as a “silent Hiroshima”. What this means is that the people of Iraq, and the occupying soldiers, perhaps including Australians, are left to get sick, many of them fatally. Listen to the American soldiers and their families who are now speaking out. Untold thousands of them have gone home sick, or deeply disturbed. Many have committed suicide.

This is the scale of the crime committed ‘in our name’. "

quoting John Pilger
- Homepage: http://www.johnpilger.com


UMRC

29.03.2004 10:51

I must saythe UMRC has a rather well produced website. Unfortunately, it is rather long on assertion and short on fact. Also, it doesn't say anything about its facilities, funding etc. Is a private organisation? What research facilities does it actually have? Since the site is rather coy about this, I wd assume few.

The thing that does intrigue me is that according to the article we have the equivalent of 400,000 bombs in Iraq. Now, why is it that no one, in articles or posts, is ever able to point to any significant back up from either a recognised university or medical centre? There's supposedly a disaster of this magnitude, and no one, but no one, in the UK academic or medical field is interested?

sceptic


UMRC revisited

29.03.2004 12:56

I must say SCEPTIC has a rather well TYPED COLLECTION OF POSTS. Unfortunately, HE is rather long on assertion and short on fact. Also, HE doesn't say anything about HIS facilities, funding etc. Is HE WORKING FOR a private organisation? What research facilities does actually USE? Since HIS POSTS ARE rather coy about this, I wd assume few.

The thing that does intrigue me is that according to SOME SOURCES we have A LINK BETWEEN CANCER AND SMOKING / BRITISH BEEF AND vCJD. Now, why is it that no one, in articles or posts, WAS ever able to point to any significant back up from either a recognised university or medical centre? There's supposedly a disaster of this magnitude, and no one, but no one, in the UK academic or medical field is interested?

sceptic


sceptic sceptic


credible source

29.03.2004 14:21

If you want a credible source that thinks DU is a disaster then how about professor Doug Rokke? He was the guy the US army appointed to determine if DU posed a risk to troops after the first gulf war.

Of course, he is biased to some extent, because he, and just about all the members of his inspection team are now dead or dying from DU related illnesses.

mark


Staus Quo

29.03.2004 21:34

Sometimes, the sole purpose of Sceptic appears to be to prop up the status quo
If this is a personal rather than professional position, it has its merit as devil's advocacy, furthering research into ones own position, and could even be thought of as selfless, as you get thought of as some agent of reaction
Not entirely knockable

dh


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