Haaretz.
5th April 2004
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Did you ever think you would be the one to dismantle the settlements?

"Already in 1988 I recommended to Likud ministers that we should bring about the division of the territory. At that time a Palestinian state was the pinnacle of the Palestinians' dreams. I said that we had to hold on to what was vital for us, and to try to reach an agreement, and I warned that if we did not do this, we would have to fight over the 1967 borders."

And that's what is happening today?

"Yes. The current arrangement [with the Americans] determines for sure that Israel will not return to 1967 borders."