Skip to content or view mobile version

Home | Mobile | Editorial | Mission | Privacy | About | Contact | Help | Security | Support

A network of individuals, independent and alternative media activists and organisations, offering grassroots, non-corporate, non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues.

No ANL against BNP / Le Pen ?

tony | 28.04.2004 07:54

Why didn't the ANL campaign against the Le Pen visit

The anti Nazi League can been contacted by a number of people asking why we didn't organise a large protest against the Le Pen visit.

The ANL received information that the BNP were hoping for a large scale demonstration against the Le Pen visit to enable them to play the card of Democracy Under Threat. The ANL therefore decided to avoid all confrontation with the visit and encouraged others to stay away, this policy was proven to be right when known BNP members were seen among the protesters.

The BNP has shifted its tactics is recent years as could be seen by the adoption of suits, nice smiles etc. There is concern that protesters are being manipulated by the Nazis

tony

Comments

Hide the following 9 comments

you're talking out of your arse pal

28.04.2004 09:25

The ANL (Anti Nazi League) are now part of the Unite Against Fascism coalition along with the National Assembly Against Racism and all the TUC-affiliated trade unions. And Unite Against Fascism organised and mobilised for the protests against Le Pen and the BNP.

Coverage of the protests has been excellent, they've encouraged anti-fascists and made Le Pen look bad in France. The BNP are furious. (Hence your posting perhaps?)

Unite Against Fascism:
 http://www.uaf.org.uk

awake


No, that's not right

28.04.2004 16:42

The ANL is involved with in general terms the Unite Against Fascism coalition and broadly supports its aims however we maintain our independent status and structure.

Our knowledge of the BNP is probably much better than yours and we have excellent sources of information that the BNP were delighted with the coverage they got. There were those who are ANL members who, against the central commitees advice, attended the demo and is was one of them who saw known BNP members in the "protest" contingent.

The old confrontation tactics must be re-visited to fight the Nazis, the BNP includes clever, well connected people with media influence. They are seeking mainstream acceptance and in areas are achieving it.

Shouting and throwing rotton fruit is not the way to influence public opinion. Turning up in suits and ties with a smart, articulate spokesperson is !

tony


I disagree

28.04.2004 20:14

It's always difficult to judge with these things whether protests just draw attention to the BNP and help them, however in this case, I don't think this applies - the visit of Le Pen was inevitably going to guarantee widespread media coverage, the protests changed the type of it. It seems to me, the BNP were looking to add credibility to their image by holding a professional looking press-conference in a nice hotel with a reasonably mainstream (though monsterous) French politician etc Instead, these images were replaced with media shots of BNP minders thumping protesters (BBC), police, and a show of opposition. Attempts at dressing up their thuggish party as 'respectable' were surely undermined by this. Equally, degrading images of a previously smart limo, covered in rotten vegetables, in my opinion, humiliated rather than aided the BNP.

As I said, the media were inevitably going to cover the Le Pen visit. The protesters LITERALLY followed the press there, rather than the other way round. However instead of a largely passive media merely conveying the BNP 'message' through press conference soundbites, which is what may have happened, coverage was dedicated almost exclusively to the protests. We re-wrote the story.

I'd be interested in seeing what other people think on this matter (rational debate please, don't just dismiss anyone who disagrees as secretly being BNP)

A


Tonys intentions...

28.04.2004 20:29

Obviously Tony is manufacturing all this. The ANL has other means of communicating with its members, and has said no such things to them! I doubt if their only communication on this subject would be an annonymous posting by someone calling themselves simply 'tony' on this newswire!!!
The question is, what are 'tony's' motives?
A genuine desire to promote some kind of new anti-fascist strategy?
The rantings of a lone, disorentated nutter?
Some sort of fiendishly clever neo-nazi propaganda and misinformation plot?

Duh, I'm too much of a brain dead lefty to figure this one out.

Bazza


Bazza is right, 'tony' is disinfo and nothing to do with ANL

29.04.2004 10:33

I am a long-time ANL member: 'tony' is some disinfo/troll type who does not speak for us and is fairly blatantly trying to spread suspicion and doubt.

The anti-Le Pen protests were a triumph. Unite Against Fascism think so, the Anti Nazi League think so, and as Bazza says the BNP are gutted we turned the story on them.

Anti Nazi League:
 http://www.anl.org.uk

Unite Against Fascism:
 http://www.uaf.org.uk

awake


Who are you ?

29.04.2004 14:45

I am not sure who some of these people are but I am happy to confirm I am activly involved with the ANL and have been for nearly ten years. Please contact me on

 tonyB@anl.org.uk for confirmation

The League has been concerned for some time about people speaking in its name this seems to be yet another instance.

tony


In addition

29.04.2004 15:02

I still don't see why the alleged presence of a BNP member amongst protesters automatically means the BNP wanted a big protest against them - that's a huge leap of logic. If there was someone there, they could have been there for a variety of reasons...collecting information about the intentions of protesters, trying to disrupt or mislead protesters etc

I'd like to see some evidence if you claim the BNP are delighted with the way it went, and if it's just based on tip-offs then who's to say YOU aren't being manipulated

A


ANL/Le Pen

29.04.2004 16:57

for info, email addresses of the domain  blah@anl.org.uk can ONLY be sent via our office, so Tony is certainly an unscrupulous impostor :0) The weekend was indeed a triumph; as well as the attacks on Le Pen which have been focussed on, the best thing about it is that the BNP gained not a shred of greater respectability from this episode, quite the opposite. a much-trumpeted posh-nosh dinner in a banqueting suite ended up being a desperate retreat to a tent on Griffin's pig farm on the Welsh borders.

For the record, ANL activists working within the Unite Against Fascism coalition played a big part in mobilising over 1,000 in Brum and 300 at 2 days' notice in Manchester. Oh, and I can't remember anyone referring to us as 'The League'!

Lee, Anti Nazi League
mail e-mail: anl@anl.org.uk
- Homepage: http://ww.anl.org.uk


That explains it

29.04.2004 18:44

Well, well Lee Rogers. I might have known it was you. Still trying to set up an alternative ANL I see Lee.

tony
mail e-mail: tonyB@anl.org.uk


Upcoming Coverage
View and post events
Upcoming Events UK
24th October, London: 2015 London Anarchist Bookfair
2nd - 8th November: Wrexham, Wales, UK & Everywhere: Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex. Cymraeg: Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru

Ongoing UK
Every Tuesday 6pm-8pm, Yorkshire: Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base More info: CAAB.

Every Tuesday, UK & worldwide: Counter Terror Tuesdays. Call the US Embassy nearest to you to protest Obama's Terror Tuesdays. More info here

Every day, London: Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy

Parliament Sq Protest: see topic page
Ongoing Global
Rossport, Ireland: see topic page
Israel-Palestine: Israel Indymedia | Palestine Indymedia
Oaxaca: Chiapas Indymedia
Regions
All Regions
Birmingham
Cambridge
Liverpool
London
Oxford
Sheffield
South Coast
Wales
World
Other Local IMCs
Bristol/South West
Nottingham
Scotland
Social Media
You can follow @ukindymedia on indy.im and Twitter. We are working on a Twitter policy. We do not use Facebook, and advise you not to either.
Support Us
We need help paying the bills for hosting this site, please consider supporting us financially.
Other Media Projects
Schnews
Dissident Island Radio
Corporate Watch
Media Lens
VisionOnTV
Earth First! Action Update
Earth First! Action Reports
Topics
All Topics
Afghanistan
Analysis
Animal Liberation
Anti-Nuclear
Anti-militarism
Anti-racism
Bio-technology
Climate Chaos
Culture
Ecology
Education
Energy Crisis
Fracking
Free Spaces
Gender
Globalisation
Health
History
Indymedia
Iraq
Migration
Ocean Defence
Other Press
Palestine
Policing
Public sector cuts
Repression
Social Struggles
Technology
Terror War
Workers' Movements
Zapatista
Major Reports
NATO 2014
G8 2013
Workfare
2011 Census Resistance
Occupy Everywhere
August Riots
Dale Farm
J30 Strike
Flotilla to Gaza
Mayday 2010
Tar Sands
G20 London Summit
University Occupations for Gaza
Guantanamo
Indymedia Server Seizure
COP15 Climate Summit 2009
Carmel Agrexco
G8 Japan 2008
SHAC
Stop Sequani
Stop RWB
Climate Camp 2008
Oaxaca Uprising
Rossport Solidarity
Smash EDO
SOCPA
Past Major Reports
Encrypted Page
You are viewing this page using an encrypted connection. If you bookmark this page or send its address in an email you might want to use the un-encrypted address of this page.
If you recieved a warning about an untrusted root certificate please install the CAcert root certificate, for more information see the security page.

Global IMC Network


www.indymedia.org

Projects
print
radio
satellite tv
video

Africa

Europe
antwerpen
armenia
athens
austria
barcelona
belarus
belgium
belgrade
brussels
bulgaria
calabria
croatia
cyprus
emilia-romagna
estrecho / madiaq
galiza
germany
grenoble
hungary
ireland
istanbul
italy
la plana
liege
liguria
lille
linksunten
lombardia
madrid
malta
marseille
nantes
napoli
netherlands
northern england
nottingham imc
paris/île-de-france
patras
piemonte
poland
portugal
roma
romania
russia
sardegna
scotland
sverige
switzerland
torun
toscana
ukraine
united kingdom
valencia

Latin America
argentina
bolivia
chiapas
chile
chile sur
cmi brasil
cmi sucre
colombia
ecuador
mexico
peru
puerto rico
qollasuyu
rosario
santiago
tijuana
uruguay
valparaiso
venezuela

Oceania
aotearoa
brisbane
burma
darwin
jakarta
manila
melbourne
perth
qc
sydney

South Asia
india


United States
arizona
arkansas
asheville
atlanta
Austin
binghamton
boston
buffalo
chicago
cleveland
colorado
columbus
dc
hawaii
houston
hudson mohawk
kansas city
la
madison
maine
miami
michigan
milwaukee
minneapolis/st. paul
new hampshire
new jersey
new mexico
new orleans
north carolina
north texas
nyc
oklahoma
philadelphia
pittsburgh
portland
richmond
rochester
rogue valley
saint louis
san diego
san francisco
san francisco bay area
santa barbara
santa cruz, ca
sarasota
seattle
tampa bay
united states
urbana-champaign
vermont
western mass
worcester

West Asia
Armenia
Beirut
Israel
Palestine

Topics
biotech

Process
fbi/legal updates
mailing lists
process & imc docs
tech