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England Needs You Now !

A Very Serious Anti Facist | 25.05.2004 16:37 | Anti-racism | Indymedia | Migration | Liverpool | London

England Needs You Now To Rid Ourselves of Wankers Like The BNP and The English Democrats

It's election time again with many parties looking for our votes on June 10th and having just viewed a couple of junk mail leaflets that have arrived through my Holloway letterbox, I'm disgusted to find two leaflets, one from the BNP which has just had a lighter lit under it and another from the English Democrats who are using the p o box 1066 in Norwich, NR14 6ZJ, telephone number 01293 873894.

I won't go into alot of their crap, but if anyone wishes to do so they can go to www.englandparty.com

There leaflet has a demand for an english parliment so does that mean anyone else from any other ethnic background need not apply?

There is also a demand to make St Georges Day a Bank Holiday, we'll thats fair enough as long as St Patricks, St Davids and St Andrews are also public holidays yet there is no mention of them on the leaflet.

The following extract is from their leaflet with my own sacastic comments........

The English Democrats Party is a fresh new, democratic party created by people worried about England's future. With no vested interests! ( Where have we heard that before?)

Blair's Labour gave the Scots a parliament, stating that they are a proud and historic nation (Well the Romans couldn't beat them) but there is no such nationality as English (Maybe thats due to Englands conquest of every country they ever conquered and forced those people of those countries to call themselves English)has been the Governments response to any demands for recognition of our own proud and historic nation ( A nation that beats the working class into the ground and make them live in poverty, so how can anyone be proud of that? we are controlled by rich masters who have a police force who continue to get away with killing people in custody, maybe that's what they mean by historic?) We reject this discrimination (Well I oppose all forms of discrimination.)

We want to regain control of our borders, fisheries and vital resources. (What to continue to profit from everyone elses misery?) As a free nation (Yeh Right) we should be able to make and enforce our own laws. (Why so the police can get away with murder?) We are English patriots (Just like those BNP scum) our people fought and died for our liberty and for our right to live as a soverign nation in freedom and democracy ( Well there's not much of that going on right now is there so someone feel free to comment on what they consider democracy is?)

As Europe's costs spiral, our standards in health, education, transport and the environment continue to decline. (Yeh wanker corporations like McDonalds and Coca Cola are allowed to sell their crap in schools, so is it any wonder why our children are so unhealthy these days? These companies advertise their crap to our children in schools and profit while our kids become unhealthy and some end up having to have treatment in hospitals which puts a strain on the NHS. Get rid of the corporate scum from our schools and give the kids a healthy option then we'd have the fittest sportiest kids in Europe.) The EU has been bad for England, we are subsidising the rest of Europe while our own services are falling apart. (Our services are falling apart due to Governments who play with the large capitalist companies who continue to profit at our expence, instead of building homes for those in need of them they build homes for the rich scum who profit by renting out those homes for higher than avarage rents, maybe if this country fucked off that American wanker Bush and fucked off the war in Iraq we'd proberbly have the funds to build affordable homes and hospitals and schools, but instead of using our resources wisely it's been spent on a war where the bastard arms traders are the only ones who've made a packet from death.)

I wouldn't vote for this bunch of wankers if anyone has the time take a look at their shitty web site under their imigration policy, tell you what vote for me instead, I'll stand in every election under the heading NONE OF THE ABOVE.

A Very Serious Anti Facist
- e-mail: scam.buster.911@btinternet.com

Comments

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Info

26.05.2004 08:08

I believe they are the national face of the England First Party, who have changed their name to try and attract broader appeal. They are a nasty splinter group from the BNP with a slogan, "no one likes us, we don't care". They should remain a minority party, but anything that splits the BNP vote this year is actually a good thing.

Voting none of the above won't keep the BNP out of the North West. You either vote when your ballot paper comes through today or tomorrow, or you don't. Your choice. I think most serious anti-fascists are voting, even across ideological lines, with socialists and even some anarchists making an exception. The information is out there so use it.

pingupete


NONE OF THE ABOVE

26.05.2004 09:13

There are actually some people standing in Local council elections under the heading None Of The Above on June 10th and I shall be voting myself, but I'm not telling any of you who for as I'm undecided, so canvassers have the oppertunity now to pursuade me why I should vote for them.

Both the BNP and their trash English Democrats have no chance here, so they can stick their opinions up their poopers.

A VOTER


Anarchists

26.05.2004 09:46

Personally I think its more important to keep the fascists out than stick to my anarchist principles. I will be voting even though I don't agree with it.

An anarchist


?

26.05.2004 10:11

1) Voting in the European Elections won't keep the Fascists out, because it is PR.

2) Who will Anarchists be voting for...

?


Voting 4

26.05.2004 13:08



Though an Anarchist- i'm going to vote Green with a PR vote for Respect as second
in the south east region.
I got one of those awful EDP leaflets too- no sign,yet, of the BNP crap- I hope the
posties will not deliver any more despite the legal threat.

I have lots of Unite Against Fascism leaflets to go out anyway- hope everyone has there
own (or their own groups stuff).

GL


North West Advice

26.05.2004 13:55

Can't speak for London but in the North West you can make it a hell of a lot more difficult for the BNP to get elected by voting for a party that can finish ahead of them, and in particular the party that can finish in 4th place. Finishing in 5th place makes it practically impossible to get elected.

Look at the Tactical Anti-Racist Voting discussion on the Liverpool/Manchester sites, and all the info you need is there, and all done without promoting a particular party, so that you can make your own mind up.

pingupete


GL - Why Respect?

26.05.2004 14:22

I ask becasue of

(a) Respect has practically zero chance of getting anywhere, the BNP are liable to do at least ten times as well as them, and certainly the Greens will do a lot better than them
(b) Respect has not got any socialist principles whatsoever, and George Galloway himself is anti-abortion, and his friends in the SWP seem too eager to jump into bed with Islamic conservaties homophobes (including encouraging a vote for the homophobic PJP in B'ham).

Hardly anarchist, or even socialist!

IMO if you are going to bother voting for a "progressive" party, the Greens are probably the best to go for.

Tom A


?

26.05.2004 15:18

"Respect isn't socialist"

Respect stands for a minimum wage of £7.40 an hour, free education, democratic ownership of the key industries, and end to war in Iraq and support for the Palestinians. They also have 9 Union branches affiliated.

How isn't that socialist? (even if it is soft socialist).

What do the Greens offer that Respect doesnt. I'll tell you what.

1) A majority of white candidates (nearly half of Respect candidates aren't white)

2) The UN to go into Iraq (basically Americans with blue helmets)

3) NO Union affiliations (which is a clear indicator of working class support)

A vote for green instead of Respect is basically out of spite against Galloway.

Also, surely working with the Muslim community (who are persucuted in this country, and suffer from disgusting racial abuse) is a good thing? Reaching out to those who are victims of the racist state?

?


PR

26.05.2004 15:33

PR makes it more likely that your vote will keep out the fascists, and more likely that they will get in if there's a low turnout. Yes, I will be voting Green with a 2nd vote for Respect. I personally worry about Respect's prospects and their poaching of Blairite pro-privatisers. When I emailed them asking about Respect taking candidates with proven privatisation records they ignored my email which might say more about the SWP than it does about Respect, but there you go.

Voting is one of the most disempowering things you can do, but the fascists will disempower us more if they get in. Easy decision to vote unfortunately.

Anarchist
- Homepage: http://www.agp.org


Race card

26.05.2004 22:55

The Chair of Wirral Green Party is Khalid Hussenbux, a Muslim. He is one of the Greens' prospective parliamentary candidates next year.

Sure, the Greens don't have as many black candidates as Respect, but they do have an increasing black support as they continue to branch out from their original environmental foundations. I'd expect them to have a lot more black candidates in 2009.

I don't think voters black or white will find anything in the Green manifesto or record that would persuade them that a Green vote would not be an excellent choice. I think it is excellent that Respect have had such a good balance, but good lists do not make an electable party. I also think that George Galloway is going to cost Respect as many votes as he wins them.

It will be a devastating blow if the Greens don't retain their London seat and the two real anti-war parties poll up to 15% of the vote and get nothing out of it. Even worse if it costs Caroline Lucas her seat in the South East. Still, hopefully lessons will be learned, and the political realities of a Green / Respect power balance are established.

Should Respect do better than expected, the Greens will have to look seriously at more co-operation, even if there is a great deal of pain to deal with (ie - it is seen that Respect cost the Greens Euro seats).

If the Greens improve on 1999 and Respect don't match the improvement, then Respect (or whatever form parties on the left stand under) will have to make a choice. They will have the opportunity to co-operate with a larger, better organised anti-war and anti-globalisation alternative, but that will mean sacrifices. For the next 6 years, that may mean defering to the Greens in key contests or risking the continued loss of pragmatist support to the Greens, leaving a rump of ideologues.

The financial implications for Respect in the event of a poor showing are also a concern. With too many lost deposits, the organisation may end up mired in debt from the start.

My postal vote arrived today. L8. Anyone else?

I think we should maybe flag up dates these are received. Anyone not received the Freeposts (any party)? I live in a block, and we got one set of leaflets between five flats - not exactly right.

pingupete


post workers refuse to deliver BNP leaflets.

27.05.2004 09:54

post workers who refuse to deliver bnp election material are coming under more pressure by management.

royal mail may be taking disciplinary action and the BNP are expecting to take the royal mail to court to chanellege non-devilery and also the conscience clause agreement between the union and royal mail.

red letter


:-(

27.05.2004 13:14

We got BNP leaflets sent to us yesterday in the Northampton Area. The leaflet is disgusting. They aim at making Michael Howard out to be tolerant of asylum seekers! The picture on the front is two asian boys burning a British flag. Plus, on the back is a picture of an all white (Aryan) family, looking happy! Disgusting.

Anti-BNP


Vote!

28.05.2004 11:05

I got the leaflet through the door today too. Royal Mail claims its under legal obligations to deliver materials which frankly are incitement to racial hatred.

Lets be honest, all politicians have done their best to foster a climate where refugees and asylum seekers are seen as the enemy. Its a good way of hiding the real causes of everything that's wrong - unfettered capitalism, lip-service democracy, militarism, draconian laws, skewed media ownership, inequality and environmental destruction.

This reminds of me of pre-Nazi Germany, when Jews were the scapegoat for a load of imperial bastards that led Europe into the first world war. A war that 'they' then lost. But instead of admitting that it was their fault, they blamed the terrible effects of this war (death, injury, Versailles Treaty, destruction, flu epidemics, etc) on Jews! This was a great distraction from the fact that it was government that led Europe into war in the first place, and these people were still alive, living unaffected by their incitiment to war.

If people idly sit by and refuse to do anything about this we're going to end up with the BNP in positions of power. Even if you usually refuse to vote, its more important than ever now to use your vote - however much this is against your principles - to keep the BNP and the rest of the racist bastards out. Vote Green, Respect, whoever - just keep the fascists out.

Anti BNP


second vote

05.06.2004 19:07

You have one vote for one party in the euro elections, so you cannot vote for the Green Party and Respect! In the South East Caroline Lucas has worked hard to promote a radical agenda and was elected by just 249 votes, so a good solid RESPECT vote will see her lose her seat. Political parties are pretty imperfect but we should re-elect Caroline, my local Green Party has lots of support from Muslims, in contast it is far from obvious that RESPECT has any support from any one!

yours for ecosocialism,

Derek (a Green Party euro candidate)

Derek Wall
mail e-mail: wallddd@hotmail.com


English Democrats - New Party

09.06.2004 00:00

You start off your comments by calling this new party 'wankers'

I think you comments only show that you are a complete Wanker.

If the Scots have the Scottish National Party, why can't people living in England have their own party.

Piss off out of England you complete tosser

Lyndon Parker


It must be a full moon!

04.05.2007 20:02

Another insightful socialist commentator. This article was just full of inspirational revelation, I just fell off my chair. The language used is cutting, not to mention the in depth analysis.

Sounds like Soviet man here has got too much spare time on his hands. Well, it can get boring in those leafy suburbs I suppose. Take a stab at the hand that feeds you, and then conveniently forget the 200 - 300 million or so estimated deaths that have been the result of socialist regimes throughout the world.

Whereas no one in their right mind would condone facism, this sort of nonsense is the reserve of the sort of 'wankers' this idiot refers to. Wholly uneducated, unsophisticated and totally lacking in objectivity.

I for one am proud to be British. Not because I am a 'Nazi' or anything like it. Quite the opposite, I am proud because of our inclusivity and usually probing questioning of our politicians, whatever party they represent. I also understand that, in a democracy, political groupings, however distateful we may personally think them to be, have a right to stand and be judged by the citizens at a ballot box. That's the British way.

Whoever wrote this garbage needs to brush up on their basic understanding of democracy. Muppet.

Common Sense


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