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Daily Mirror D-Day Cartoon - almost

With no apologies to the Daily Mirror.

Not the Daily Mirror D-Day commemorative issue cartoon!

How the face of fascism has changed.

But let's not forget (not that they would ever they would allow us to) that Uncle Sam bailed our asses out during WWII.

Zinfandel

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The Russians had the measure of the Nazis after Stalingrad. There was only going to be one victor in the east and that was the USSR, irrespective of when the US entered the war.

The US certainly bailed us out in terms of supplies, but militarily it was the Eastern front that prevented the occupation of the UK.

random

Irony failure

02.06.2004 22:01

Sorry, should have underlined the words of irony!

http://www.flamesong.com

Zinfandel

For Memorial Day/D Day by Mickey Z

02.06.2004 22:45

June 6, 2004 marks 60 years since the fabled Allied invasion known as "D-Day." Lost amid the self-congratulatory orgy is the minor detail that by the time of the D-Day invasion, the Soviets were engaging 80 percent of the German Army on the Eastern Front. Oops...

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=5621

sludge

the USSR

03.06.2004 13:32

mind you, if Stalin hadn't signed a pact with Hitler, Poland wouldn't have been carved up, and 4000 Poles wouldn't have been shot in Katyn.

It's unfortunate for most of Eastern Europe {Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and much of Poland] that one mass murderer was replaced by another.

And let's not forget that the greatest mass cleansing of all time was carried out by the USSR moving several million germans westward.

sceptic

true

03.06.2004 14:27

Stalin was nearly as bad as Hitler...

Red

it's all a blur

03.06.2004 15:25

Stalin was as bad as Hitler.

Bush/Blair are as bad as Stalin who was as bad as Hitler.

The SWP are as bad as Bush/Blair who are as bad as Stalin who was as bad as Hitler.

Anyone who disagrees with me is as bad as the SWP who are as bad as Bush/Blair who are as bad as Stalin who was as bad as Hitler.

Only I am good.

Stalin/Hitler/Bush/Blair

03.06.2004 15:46

hmm, well... the death toll from Stalin the the USSR can never really be estimated, but it runs into perhpas tens of millions.

Hitler - well, he only got to ten million.

These are not counting war casualties.

Now, leaving war casualties aside, what's the Bush & Blair total? 0?

sceptic

tolls

03.06.2004 21:13

Actually, if we look at the effects of US/UK economic policy it is genocidal. Theres obvious examples like the sanctions on Iraq which the UN administrator described as genocidal (thats a million dead straight off), then theres the absurdity of third world debt which is a statistical illusion that results in massive poverty, DIRECTLY perpertrated by US/UK, Bush/Blair policy. The debt 'cancellation' Blair was praised for post jubillee 2000 actually amounted to ZERO - the only debts 'cancelled' were already unpaid and unrepayable.

There is a tendancy in the western world to see economic policy as inherently benign (as well as much military policy), whereas in reality it kills far more people than military force. Post WWII, britain and the US, under different notional leaders but systematically the same, have been responsible for the deaths of millions of people through overt genocide like the US in Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia and the US/UK support for Suharto's 1965 genocide etc and economic policy, in fact a whole economic system, that amounts to an impossible pyramid scheme in which the world's poor are mase to pay the price of western economic growth.

Tom

...

03.06.2004 22:06

"The SWP are as bad as Bush/Blair who are as bad as Stalin who was as bad as Hitler."

That is pathetic and ludicrous.

I personally don't believe Bush/Blair are AS bad as Stalin/Hitler. For one, they were both elected, and don't technically run dictatorships. Plus they haven't systematically killed millions of people.

But they are warmongerors like Hitler was...and want to RULE THE WORLD!

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DID the us generously save us in ww2?

04.06.2004 01:59

I a;ways believed so, and I prefer to believe it still.

BUT I have seen it pointed out that if you wish to gain domination over several powerful rivals, a good way is to let them get into a fight, watch quietly from the sidelines until they are all completely exhausted, and then join in to help one side on condition that they accept huge debts which will ensure they never recover their former strength.

It is said the US did exactly this in both world wars, tining its arrival to perfection.

By this strategy it ensured that the might of the European powers was broken forever, their colonies gone, their infrastructure destroyed. Leaving the US (infrastructure untouched) to move towards the world economic and military domination we now see.

And the final ironic touch ? We end up eternally grateful, and have only just finished repaying the huge loans for our "reconstruction".

I have no way of knowing whether this is fair comment, or anti-american prejudice. But it is worth a bit of thought. More recently Yugoslavia was similarly destroyed, and its inheritors are now hugely in debt for its reconstruction.

Any thoughts ?

frddie

CRAP

04.06.2004 21:33

1 Bush was democratically elected?? Look up the elections again

2 Blair is a pet dog to this undemocratically elected president so he's not in favour of democracy either

3 Whats your view on the economic sanctions Irak was faced with for 12 years. Was that not systematic killing? Could you imagine dying from a cold. Well thats what Bush Blair and teh EU put the people through

4 what about when donald rumsfeld sold the chemical weapons to Irak and praised them for using them in the Irak iran war? No not as bad as Satlin at all

5 I suppose the blockade of cheap AIDS drugs from Brazil to Africa or the IMF and World bank all endorsed by US UK govs are not responsible for the systematic killings of people. Or the Coca cola endorsed army of Colombia responsible for the murders of many trae unionists and strikers in colombia.

6 maybe its time we looked at what goes on outside our 'democratic' countries i know very little bu the little I know makes me sick.

FREE PALESTINE

Che

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