...And all it will do is provoke the nutty Zionist trolls and the angry IMCers and we'll have another boring exchange of boring rants etc etc etc

ohhhhhhhh fuck. I can hardly wait.

The REALITY of Israel's behaviour is shocking enough, without loonies making shit up.

[sigh]

I think you are an intoxicator and racist that hates all israelians.
What's next? Why Israel causes earthquakes in Iran?
Your article is rubbish full of nonsense

this bullshit should not be here.

This aint a website for you to post your anti semitic shit

this aint a website for you to post jewish consiracy theories.

FUCK OFF you fucking NAZI

.. screamers, ranters, censors and hysteria merchants ..

Lets try this one question at a time:

Does mossad exist?

AAAARGHHHH! ZIONISTS UNDER MY BED!

THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS ARE MAKING ME HEAR VOICES!

THE MOSSAD MADE MY PISS SMELL OF SUGAR PUFFS!

SAVE ME OSAMA!

Yes it's a conspiracy alright. You are all spot on. I am a member of a powerful Neo-Nazi Islamofascist cabal that influence and control the governments of the world. Our whole historical aim is to once and for all wipe Israel off the face of the earth and to exterminate every last Jew on this planet. That is what this article means.

Sieg Heil and God is great!!!

I can't find any evidence that the article came from Seymour Hersh at all. The parent site links to another Indymedia site!!! The article seems blatantly dodgy.

Mossad does dodgy stuff all over the world, it's true, but I think there are enough pissed off people out there who want to attack the US, without having to make everything under the control of the US and Israel.

What is happening is a conflict. To believe the zionists control everything, on both sides, completely misses the reality of the situation. It then completely alienates everybody, making constructive dialogue impossible, and it psychologically builds up the zionists to be more than they are, which is simply a spectrum of social and political thought, that exists alongside Islamacism, Capitalism, Socialism...
They wield a great deal of power, as do all the other groups, but it has a core essence, a beginning in history, and limits.
Zionism exists because of and through anti-semitism. It is the child of anti-semitism. To simply throw anger and hatred at it only makes it stronger. It is built on the belief that Jews cannot live as a minority in another country without conflict and persecution. It is the same ideology of the fascists who said to the Jews 'you cannot live in our countries without causing conflict and persecution'. It is shrugging the shoulders and saying 'OK, you don't want us, therefore we'll leave', and in many instances Nazism and Zionism collaborated in Germany to get the Jews out of Germany.
Taken to it's highest level, you have Fortress Israel, where the Jews do not believe anyone in the world will accept them, and they surround themselves with walls, and guard their tiny state with one of the largest armies in the world, and nuclear weapons. In the long term, this only leads to perpetual conflict, and further isolation and self-degradation by the Jewish people.
To defeat zionism a road of understanding and reconciliation needs to be taken, because ultimately a solution to the middle-east problem involves the Jews and the Palestinians living together in one state. To start resurrecting spectres like 'The Jews control the world', is racist, hardens the Jewish heart, and leads them to put more faith in nationalism to protect them, however misplaced such faith is.
Zionism and anti-semitism are so intertwined, they are like two sides of the same coin. Feed one, and it feeds the other. In essence it is about the division of people, the seperateness of mankind, the superiority and inferiority of races. Both are fuelled by the historic hatred of Jews. Therefore, the only solution is to come to terms with that dark past, build bridges of understanding, and transform these irrational motivating forces into something more positive.

Maybe I went off on one a bit there, but articles that appear and simply mis-inform and spread hatred goes completely against that purpose.

In fact, I've just found evidence this article is NOT by Seymour Hersh
 http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=292796867&page=&view=&sb=&o=

Follow the thread of discussion

The article cites Seymour Hersh, and has not been written by him
The following is the article Seymour Hersh in fact wrote:-

 http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040628fa_fact
in which he follows Mossad activities in Kurdistan. In many ways the truth is more chilling than the conspiracy theory. Reality is harder, and more cutting.

There are always several points of view.
Most zionists think israel is entitled to exist. Many israelis are now leaving, most sensible people know the mossad motto; war by deception.

In america, awareness is growing, and many internet groups are naming and shaming israeli and mossad operatives.

Check it out, and direct your comments, if you will.

 http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=292796314

Or perhaps a little enlightenment as to the reality of the twin towers attack, which for millions of people is without any doubt another step in the war to create terror.

 http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1927

Chheck it out, oyve, mashuga, lacheim, the scabby rabbi strikes again!

There is no point offering an intellectual answer to this thread. I am really tired of hearing all these Mossad conspiracies. What I will do is explain the dangers in this kind of thinking.

I find it very disappointing that people still come out with this garbage as it is a form of anti-Semitism. The Mossad conspiracy stories originate from the far right. They manifested themselves after the establishment of the state of Israel. When the term Zionism is used in this case it is not used to refer to the political manifestation of Jewish settlement and development in the land of Israel.

Its origin is the “protocols of the learned elders of Zion” an anti Jewish forgery that emerged from eastern Europe that argued that there is a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world. After 1948 this thinking resurfaced in several forms, one being that of ZOG, the Zionist Occupied Government. ZOG thinking is not related to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza but rather, the occupation of Western governments where law makers are influenced by Jews who lurk in the shadows coercing policies that will help bring the Jews to a position of secret world hegemony.

Another manifestation of the “protocols of the learned elders of Zion” feeds from the simplicity of the connection between Israel’s secret service and the fear of a Jewish secret society. The existences of the Mossad has served as a tool to expound Jewish conspiracy thinking. Unfortunately, this particular form of Jewish conspiracy thinking has been emerging in the Arab Middle East and Iran (but not developed in this region, for the most part this form of anti Semitism was a western import that coincided with western Imperialism). It directly puts Israel in the firing line and offers a scapegoat to all the ills of the region, but also is used by far right wing groups such as some factions of the Ku Klux Klan as a means to apportion attacks against Jewish supporters of Israel. In other words, an excuse to attack Jews.

yeah one thing for sure these anti israeli postings sure bring out the best in everyone.
It makes me wonder who the fuck these types might be and it comes down to just two
choices maybe they really don't know what is going on or they are in bad faith.
Cos if your close to israel or israeli activities you know that something seriously dodgy is
going down and has been for a very long time.
But of course it all lies made up by nazi bastards who want all jews dead, people are getting
tired of being called a fascist. The cold war was an excuse to make a pile making everyones
favourite weapons.When the cold war ended they needed a quick replacement.
The U.S already had some serious connections in Afghanistan and Mossad has them everywhere
else, don't you think that they would lend a hand to crank up the good old war on terror, you know
it make sense .

Ah so, you spotted that the protocols of the elders of zion is a forgery... how did you find out about this? Very few people know the truth of the conspiracy to annihilate the Jewish people. Give me their names so that we can arrange that these informers meet with a mysterious accident.

Why did the 'Palestinians' give Hitler the honorary name of 'Abu Ali', anyone know? Obviously, I know why they gave him an honorary name (for out-Arabing them on in the Jew slaughtering stakes) but why THAT name?

This whole scene is rather run from a few anglo-saxon, blueblood and pretend jewish bloodlnes with the chinese present and a few disparate ethnic strands - Colin Powell
It's not so much the race as the ill-intent

Because Arafat's father was a grand wizard in the Ku Klux Klan. DON'T pretend you don't know that, PCM. But don't google... we have already succeeded in destroying all evidence on this fact.

surely the real question is should we censor the insane,..but no doubt thats thats 'hierarchical' and 'discrimanatory' against those of us who are a few sanwiches short of a picnic.

The israeli government, like many other governments, is a pawn of US imperial interests interests, thats as far as it goes.

"Could this be partly the reason why New Zealand's Prime Minister Helen Clarke was so angry and upset about the Israelis infiltrating her land -- and the subsequent jailing of the two Israeli spies?"
No.
It is an infringement on NZ sovereignty, and puts NZ passport holdes at risk if these docs. become standard MOSSAD issue.
In addition, NZ PM is not an poodler like Bliar and the ozzy bloke whatsisname, and NZ has a proper democracy with PR , unlike USUK.