Do you know anything about Greenpeace? Other than what you see on the telly, I mean?

we are having trouble getting these filmes in time. if you have access to any of them, please let us know and bring them along.

ben

Incidentally, where IS the so-called Greenpeace rant?

Alex Jones never mentions the word Greenpeace. There is a bit about 15 seconds long in which he talks about phony environmental organisations during which the Greenpeace logo appears briefly on the screen. Hardly a rant!

If you are going to attend this event, it is suggested that you do so with an open mind and not follow the ridicule laced cheerleading of the writer of this article.

As far as Alex Jones is concerned, sure his documentary doesn't have the polish of a BBC production. He doesn't have the benefit of their technology nor training. Judge the film on its substance not its presentation and while you remember that this film was made nearly three years ago, take note of what has happened subsequently.

But if you want to know what attitude to expect in the presentation of this event, try this quote from the article writer:

"we’ll a jam packed session that would gladden the heart of conspiracy nutters anywhere"

Nothing like allowing your audience the freedom of thought. I think psychologists have carried out enough experiments to conclude that this kind of pre-conditioning works. So, if you can't go with an open mind, tear yourself away from your Argos catalogue, grab a few cans of Stella, pick up a stuffed crust pizza and head for the freak show.

I know a little, throught involvement in London Greenpeace and through friends that work for Greenpeace UK Ltd. I also know the person who wrote the Greenpeace broadsheet back in 1971.

Here is a little history...

The name Greenpeace was used in Britain at least as early as 1971. It appeared in print as the title of a broadsheet published as a supplement in Peace News in 1971. The broadsheet was a compilation of ideas about how individuals could take action in their own lives to preserve the ecosystem.

In 1972 "Greenpeace" was used as the name for a coalition of individuals and groups in Britain campaigning against French nuclear weapons tests in the Pacific. At the same time there were other Greenpeace groups both in Britain and in some other countries: the different groups were in touch with one another as an informal network of autonomous groups, in particular around the issue of nuclear testing. The London group, usually known as Greenpeace (London), continued to be in touch with other such groups around the world.

In 1977, the biggest of the Greenpeace organisations outside Britain - the Vancouver Greenpeace Foundation in Canada - formalised its links with some of the other Greenpeace organisations around the world, seeing itself as the "lead" group. Shortly before this, in late 1976, members of that organisation came to London and met people from Greenpeace (London).

The Vancouver people wanted the London group to "take its orders from" the Board of Directors in Vancouver, but were told that the London group had never had that kind of relationship with other Greenpeace Groups. (The relationship with groups like the Vancouver one had often been close, but never based on any sort of hierarchy.) Subsequently, a letter from Vancouver explicitly recognised the autonomy of the existing London group.

Activists in London - including the people who had come from Canada - who DID want to be under the control of the Vancouver Foundation, formed a London Branch of the Vancouver Foundation, which then formed a limited company and became known as Greenpeace Ltd or Greenpeace UK. Since 1977, Greenpeace (London) and Greenpeace Ltd have been quite separate organisations, working on different campaigns - though of course their separate campaigns have had some issues in common, such as anti-nuclear work.

The original London Greenpeace Group deliberately stayed as a small group of activists, without leaders, with decisions taken by consensus of all those involved, and encouraged people in other areas to set up their own active groups rather than "joining" London Greenpeace."

Anyway, London Greenpeace is somewhat in suspensed animation since the end of the McLibel trial and Greenpeace UK and it's parent company Greenpeace International are going from strength to strength it would seem. I am somewhat cynical about big Greenpeace, seeing a flurry of media stunts everynow and again (often dressed up as direct action) which seems intended more for getting in new greenpeace supporters/members/subscribers than for actually doing something effective. I was however pleasently suprised by Greenpeace actions against the invasion of Iraq. There is a lot to critisize GP for. Crazy deals with Monsanto for biodegradable credit cards for example. But to claim that GP is part of some kind of land grab plot by the worlds elite is to me pure bollocks.

Whilst I agree that there is hardly a Greenpeace rant in 'the road top tyranny', Alex Jones' angle seems to be 'why are we covering up for these dirty smelly arabs instead of protecting nice white people like the constitution says?'. Mind you, you shouldn't expect no better from a Welshman...

My point was that in a 20-odd word appraisal of a documentary of some 140 minutes you singled out a 15 second clip and, in my opinion, totally misrepresented those 15 seconds as an anti-Greenpeace rant. As I pointed out, in truth Alex Jones never even says the name Greenpeace and the logo is flashed along with a number of other environmental logos. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on this but to base an appraisal of anything on less than 0.2% of the whole is misrepresentation on a criminal scale! In a word, Bollocks!

On the subject of Greenpeace, my knowledge is not a copy and paste excercise like yours. Where did it come from:

 http://www.spunk.org/library/food/mcdonlds/sp000474.txt

or

 http://from-a-to.zee.co.uk/zee/Finance/barclays-bank-london-addresses.asp

My involvement has been a little more intimate than that and to say that you were pleasantly surprised by their actions against the invasion of Iraq, my God, if only you knew the truth! I suspect that any visible Greenpeace action against the Iraq war was done in spite of any official line. I am given to believe that there was the threat of a sizeable withdrawal of support from an unknown quarter if Greenpeace's opposition to the war was 'inappropriate'.

Again, I ask your viewers to judge what you screen on substance and not your prejudicial autopsy!

"Whilst I agree that there is hardly a Greenpeace rant in 'the road top tyranny', Alex Jones' angle seems to be 'why are we covering up for these dirty smelly arabs instead of protecting nice white people like the constitution says?'. Mind you, you shouldn't expect no better from a Welshman..."

Covering up for what exactly?! He is accusing the US Government of orchestrating the whole thing. How is that questioning why we are "covering up for these dirty smelly arabs"?

I suggest that when vieing this that the viewer takes note of Jones' warnings of the removal of civil liberties (via the PATRIOT act), the use of new military technology against the population (sound cannons and tazers) and the implementation of RFID technology.

That's exactly what he says when he's talking about the FBI building in Oklahoma City. I'd watch the fillum again if I were you. Or maybe not. Are ye Welsh??

911: The Road To Tyranny will be screening tonight at the rampart.

I looked to see if I could find a band review of it (cause I for one truely hated it) but I couldn't find any one saying a bad think about it apart from me so I leave it to you all to judge for yourself.

Not that it matters a lot, but the Long Kiss Goodnight doesn't feature folk trying to blow up the WTC as implied above.
What it does have is a line blaming the US security services for allowing the first bombing to go ahead. Plus they are the Bad Guys in the film for a change.
It rocks.

If you have the Long Kiss Goodbye, please bring it along as our download isn't going to complete. However we have managed to get The Lone Gunmen (45m) which looks quite funny and 'The Painfull Deception' (2 hrs).

Additionally we've also managed to find somebody who is bringing 'In Plane Site' (52m), 'The Great Illusion' (2hrs) and 'The road to Tyranny' (> 2.5hrs)

We are going to have to choose just one of the two hour plus films and show the others another night I think as we only have four hours to screen stuff.