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An Inventory of Iraqi Resistance Groups

Epimenedes | 23.09.2004 17:16

This small essay by Samir Haddad and Mazin Ghazi in Al Zawra (Baghdad), September 19, 2004 provide a portrait of the different resistance groups operating in Iraq. I cannot vouch for its accuracy, but it is an interesting addition to the information normally available to us in the UK. What it shows is that the resistance movement is happily organized in many distinct and only partially overlapping networks. It will not be easily uprooted.

An Inventory of Iraqi Resistance Groups
"Who Kills Hostages in Iraq?"

By Samir Haddad and Mazin Ghazi
Al Zawra (Baghdad)
September 19, 2004

(FBIS Translated Text)

US soldiers guard the wreckage of a military armored vehicle destroyed by the Iraqi resistance. In Iraq, the issues are even more confused now than they were before. This happened after an armed group abducted two French journalists, and threatened to kill them if France did not rescind the law banning religious symbols at schools, including the veil, and another group abducted two Italian women in Baghdad. The issues became even more confused when a third group killed 12 Nepalese workers, claiming that they were serving the US forces.

It is our duty now to clarify the picture with regard to who targets civilians and foreigners, who abducts hostages indiscriminately, and who makes the US occupation and its soldiers his main preoccupation.

After the fall of Baghdad into the hands of the Anglo-American occupation on 9 April 2003, as a natural reaction, several sectors of Iraqi society confronted the occupation. Resistance cells were formed, the majority of which were of Islamic Sunni and pan-Arab tendencies. These cells started in the shape of scattered groups, without a unifying bond to bind them together.

These groups and small cells started to grow gradually, until they matured to some extent and acquired a clear personality that had its own political and military weight. Then they stated to pursue combining themselves into larger groups.

The majority of these groups do not know their leadership, the sources of their financing, or who provides them with weapons. However, the huge amounts of weapons, which the Saddam Husayn regime left behind, are undoubtedly one of the main sources for arming these groups. These weapons include mortars, RPGs, hand grenades, Kalashnikovs, and light weapons.

Their intellectual tendencies are usually described as a mixture of Islamic and pan-Arab ideas that agree on the need to put an end to the US presence in Iraq.

These groups have common denominators, the most important of which perhaps are focusing on killing US soldiers, rejecting the abductions and the killing of hostages, rejecting the attacks on Iraqi policemen, and respecting the beliefs of other religions. There is no compulsion to convert to Islam, this stems from their Islamic creed, their reading of the jurisprudence texts and historical events, and their respect for the directives and appeals of the Islamic organizations and religious dignitaries.

These groups believe the Iraqis are divided into two categories. One category -- the majority - is against the occupation, and the other -- the minority -- is on the side of the occupation. The resistance considers those who reject the occupation, whatever their description might be, to be on its side. The resistance considers those who are on the side of the occupation to be as spies and traitors who do not deserve to remain on Iraqi territory, and hence they should be liquidated.

As for their view of the political parties, it depends on the stance of these parties toward the occupation. If these parties are dealing with the United States on the basis that it is an occupation force that should be evicted and that Iraq should be liberated from any military occupation or constrictions, and if these parties choose to deal with the United States and to engage in political action within this context, then these parties are free to continue with their efforts. Moreover, in general, these groups do not target the political powers that deal, but do not cooperate with the United States within the political framework established by the occupation.

The following is a review of the resistance groups and the armed groups in Iraq:

First, the main Sunni resistance groups that primarily target the US occupation:

1. The Iraqi National Islamic Resistance, "The 1920 Revolution Brigades:"

-- It emerged for the first time on 16 July 2003. Its declared aim is to liberate Iraqi territory from foreign military and political occupation and to establish a liberated and independent Iraqi state on Islamic bases. It launches armed attacks against the US forces. The attacks primarily are concentrated in the area west of Baghdad, in the regions of Abu-Ghurayb, Khan Dari, and Al-Fallujah. It has other activities in the governorates of Ninwi, Diyali, and Al-Anbar. The group usually takes into consideration the opinions of a number of Sunni authorities in Iraq.

-- The group's statements, in which it claims responsibility for its operations against the US occupation, are usually distributed at the gates of the mosques after the Friday prayers.

-- A recent statement issued by the group on 19 August 2004 explained that the group, during the period between 27 July and 7 August 2004, carried out an average of 10 operations every day, which resulted in the deaths of dozens of US soldiers and the destruction of dozens of US armored vehicles.

-- The most prominent operations of the group during that period were the shooting down of a helicopter in the Abu-Ghurayb region by the Al-Zubayr Bin-al-Awwam Brigade on 1 August 2004, and the shooting down of a Chinook helicopter in the Al-Nu'aymiyah region, near Al-Fallujah, by the Martyr Nur-al-Din Brigade on 9 August 2004.

2. The National Front for the Liberation of Iraq:

-- The front includes 10 resistance groups. It was formed days after the occupation of Iraq in April 2003. It consists of nationalists and Islamists. Its activities are concentrated in Arbil and Karkuk in northern Iraq; in Al-Fallujah, Samarra, and Tikrit in central Iraq, and in Basra and Babil Governorates in the south, in addition to Diyali Governorate in the east.

-- Generally speaking, its activities are considered smaller than those of the 1920 Revolution Brigades.

3. The Iraqi Resistance Islamic Front, 'JAMI':

The front is the newest Sunni resistance group to fight the US occupation. It includes a number of small resistance factions that formed a coalition. Its political and jihad program stems from a jurisprudence viewpoint that allows it to fight the occupiers. Its activities against the occupation forces are concentrated in the two governorates of Ninwi and Diyali. It announced its existence for the first time on 30 May 2004.

In its statements, JAMI warns against the Jewish conspiracies in Iraq.

According to statements issued by the front, JAMI's military wing, the Salah-al-Din and Sayf-Allah al-Maslul Brigades, has carried out dozens of operations against the US occupation forces. The most prominent of these operations were in Ninwi Governorate. These operations included the shelling of the occupation command headquarters and the semi-daily shelling of the Mosul airport. Further more, JAMI targets the members of US intelligence and kills them in the Al-Faysaliyah area in Mosul and also in the governorate of Diyali, where the front's Al-Rantisi Brigade sniped a US soldier and used mortars to shell Al-Faris Airport.

4. Other Small Factions:

There are other factions that claim responsibility for some limited military operations against the US forces. However, some of these factions have joined larger brigades that are more active and more experienced in fighting. These factions include:

Hamzah Faction: A Sunni group that appeared for the first time on 10 October 2003 in Al-Fallujah and called for the release of a local shaykh known as Shaykh Jamal Nidal, who was arrested by the US forces. There is no other information available about this group.

Iraqi Liberation Army: The first appearance of this group was on 15 July 2003. It warned the foreign countries against sending troops to Iraq and pledged to attack those troops if they were sent.

Awakening and Holy War: A group of Arab Sunni mujahidin. It is active in Al-Fallujah. It filmed an operation on videotape and sent the tape to Iranian television on 7 July 2003. On the tape, the group said that Saddam and the United States were two sides of the same coin. The group said that it carried out operations against the US occupation in Al-Fallujah and other cities.

The White Banners: A group of local Arab Sunni mujahidin that is active in the Sunni triangle and probably in other areas. Originally, they were opposed to Saddam Husayn, and in alliance with the Muslim Youths and Muhammad's Army. The group criticized the bombing of the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad. So far, there is no information about their operations.

Al-Haqq Army: There is not much information about this group, apart from that it consists of Arab Sunni Muslims, it has some nationalistic tendencies, and it is not loyal to Saddam.

5. Ba'thist Factions:

These factions are loyal to the Ba'th Party and the previous regime of Saddam Husayn. They do not constitute a proportion of the actual resistance in Iraq. Their activities are more or less restricted to financing of resistance operations. The factions that still exist secretly in the Iraqi arena include:

Al-Awdah (The Return): This faction is concentrated in northern Iraq -- Samarra, Tikrit, Al-Dur, and Mosul. It consists of members of the former intelligence apparatus.

Saddam's Fedayeen: The faction was formed by the Saddam regime before the US invasion. Now, it is rumored that many of its members have abandoned their loyalty to Saddam and have joined Islamic and national groups on the side of the 11 September Revolutionary Group and the Serpent's Head Movement.

Second, Shiite resistance against the occupation:

Al-Sadr group: The Al-Mahdi Army is considered the only militia experiment to emerge after the occupation. In July 2003, Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr announced the formation of the Al-Mahdi Army, but not as a force directed against the occupation. Within a short period, Al-Sadr gathered between 10,000 and 15,000 well-trained youths, the majority of whom were from the poor of the Al-Sadr City, Al-Shu'lah, and the southern cities.

Recent events -- starting with the closure of Al-Sadr's Al-Hawzah newspaper in March 2004; the arrest of Al-Sadr assistant Mustafa al-Ya'qubi against a background of suspicions about his involvement in the killing of Imam Abd-al-Majid al-Khu'i, and crowned with the writ to arrest Muqtada al-Sadr in April on charges of assassinating Al-Khu'i inside the Al-Haydari mosque in Al-Najaf on 10 April 2003 -- placed the Al-Mahdi Army in confrontation with the occupation forces in Baghdad and the southern governorates.

The greatest confrontation between this militia and the occupation forces erupted in Al-Najaf in August 2004. The confrontation continued for nearly three weeks, and it ended with the signing of a cease-fire agreement between the two sides. The observers believe that these confrontations bestowed upon the Al-Sadr tendency the mark of an armed resistance to the occupation.

Imam Ali Bin-Abi-Talib Jihadi Brigades: This Shiite group appeared for the first time on 12 October 2003. It vowed to kill the soldiers of any country sending its troops to support the coalition forces, and threatened to transfer the battleground to the territories of such countries if they were to send troops. The group also threatened to assassinate all the members of the Interim Governing Council and any Iraqi cooperating with the coalition forces. The group also announced that Al-Najaf and Karbala were the battlegrounds in which it would target the US forces.

Third: Factions that adopt abductions and killing:

In addition to the groups resisting occupation, other armed groups have emerged and resorted to operations of abducting and killing foreigners as a method, in their opinion, that would terrorize the enemy and as a political pressure card to achieve their specific demands. This was what happened when Philippine President Gloria Macapagol-Arroyo decided to withdraw the Philippine forces acting under US command in Iraq after the abduction of her compatriot Angelo del Cruz on 7 July 2004 and his release at a later time.

The most prominent of these groups are:

Assadullah Brigades: The brigades said in a statement, number 50, "The mujahid is entitled to capture any infidel that enters Iraq, whether he works for a construction company or in any other job, because he could be warrior, and the mujahid has the right to kill him or take him as a prisoner."

The activities of this group are concentrated in Baghdad and its suburbs. The group detained the third most senior diplomat at the Egyptian Embassy to Iraq, Muhammad Mamduh Hilmi Qutb, in July 2004 in response to statements by Egyptian Prime Minister Ahmad Nazif, who announced that Egypt was prepared to offer its security expertise to the interim Iraqi Government. The diplomat was released after nearly a week.

Islamic Retaliation Movement: One of the movements that adopt the course of abductions. It abducted the US Marine of Lebanese origin, Wasif Ali Hassun, on 19 July 2004, and then released him.

Islamic Anger Brigades: The group that abducted 15 Lebanese in June 2004 and then released them, with the exception of Husayn Ulayyan, an employee of a communications company, whom it killed.

Khalid-Bin-al-Walid Brigades and Iraq's Martyrs Brigades: They are believed to be the ones who abducted Italian journalist Enzo Bladoni in August 2004 and killed him.

The Black Banners Group: A battalion of the Secret Islamic Army. The group abducted three Indians, two Kenyans, and an Egyptian working for a Kuwaiti company operating in Iraq. The aim was to compel the company to stop its activities in Iraq. The hostages were later released.

The Abu-Mus'ab al-Zarqawi Group.

The Al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad Group.

The Islamic Army in Iraq: A secret organization that adopts the ideology of Al-Qa'ida. The organization abducted Iranian Consul Feredion Jahani and the two French journalists, Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot.

Ansar al-Sunnah Movement: The movement abducted 12 Nepalese on 23 August 2004 and killed them.

The last four groups are clearly intellectually close to the beliefs and thinking of Al-Qa'ida Organization and its leader, Usama Bin Ladin.

The first case of slaughter was that of US national Nicholas Berg in May 2004, and the Abu-Mus'ab al-Zarqawi group claimed responsibility for it.

After that, the Al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad Group killed South Korean Kim Il, who was working for a Korean company providing the US Army with military installations.

Following that, the operations of abducting hostages cascaded in Iraq. Some of the hostages were slaughtered, and others were released. And the phenomenon came to the surface.

The total number of hostages killed so far is: two Italians, two US nationals, two Pakistanis, one Egyptian, one Turk, one Lebanese, one Bulgarian, one South Korean, and 12 Nepalese.

(Description of Source: Baghdad Al-Zawra in Arabic--Weekly published by the Iraqi Journalists Association)

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Yesterday in Iraq

23.09.2004 18:46

Thursday, September 23, 2004

The guerrilla war and American military assertiveness together wrought havoc in several areas of Iraq once again on Wednesday.

Baghdad

In downtown Baghdad, guerrillas used a car bomb to strike at persons in a retail district who were waiting to sign up for service in the Iraqi National Guard. The huge explosion killed 6 individuals and wounded 54.

There were also clashes at Haifa Street, a stronghold of the Iraqi branch of the radical Monotheism and Holy War movement. The number of resulting casualties is unknown as I write.

A US strike on Abu Ghurab west of Baghdad a week ago may have killed a leader of Monotheism and Holy War, Abu Anas al-Shami, a Jordanian Muslim radical and author.


Sadr City

In east Baghdad, according to Naim al-Qaabi, spokesman for the Sadr movement, a US push into that part of the capital resulted in clashes that left 15 dead and 52 wounded.

Samarra

Some 40 guerrillas fought US forces near Samarra on Wednesday. The US forces called in an air strike on a house, killing 2 Iraqis and wounding 2. Although a supposed ceasefire had recently been called by city leaders of Samarra, allowing US troops back into the city, it seems clear that Samarran guerrillas are still operating in the area and that the situation remains dicey.

Tikrit

Guerrillas used a roadside bomb to attack US troops near Tikrit, killing 1 US soldier.

Nasiriyah

Three American crew members of a Black Hawk helicopter were wounded when it crashed soon after take-off on Wednesday near Nasiriyah. The cause of the crash was not announced, but US helicopters frequently take rocket-propelled grenade fire in Iraq.

Najaf

On Monday and Tuesday, US Marines and Iraqi national guards raided offices of the Muqtada al-Sadr movement near the shrine of Ali, arresting several officials close to the radical young cleric. The American-appointed governor, Adnan al-Zurfi, maintained that they had found weapons caches in the sweep.

The action appears to contravene the terms of the cease-fire earlier reached with the Sadrists, and the raid was condemned by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. Sistani deeply dislikes the Mahdi Army, but he no doubt feels that if the various parties cannot trust that a settlement under his auspices can be trusted, it will weaken his authority to help settle future disputes.

Dexter Filkins of the New York Times reports that Sistani is increasingly worried about the form of the elections scheduled for January. The current plan to have nation-wide pre-selected party lists will unfairly favor the expatriate political parties, he fears, and he is threatening to withdraw his support from the process.

I personally would be shocked and amazed if elections are actually held in January. If they are, it would not be surprising if the expatriate parties managed to set things up so as to dominate them. They are the ones who have been organizing abroad for the past twenty years and have experience in politicking. But if a lot of local Iraqis feel disenfranchised by the results, then the elections won't produce a stable government. Moreover, Sistani's approval would be key to such a government's hopes for success.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon is burning up money and ammunition so fast in Iraq that it has prematurely had to dip into a $25 billion emergency fund: "If the additional money were not available this month, armed services either would have to cut other programs to shift money to the war or face the prospect of new troops going to battle without sufficient body armor, armored Humvees and other protective gear." The war is costing about $1 billion a wee

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anti-semitism

23.09.2004 21:49

"In its statements, JAMI warns against the Jewish conspiracies in Iraq"

This is a far left website. No condemnation. How suprising.

How long would it take for me to be called a racist pig if I said the following?:

Blacks are more criminal than whites
Muslims don't understand our values

Not very long I expect, despite the fact that those two generalisations both have elements of truth to them, whereas the Jewish one is pure anti-semitism.

Harry


Oh my.

24.09.2004 02:11

I feel sorry for anybody who thinks that this is a far left website. Or who can't even spell.

Green Bert.


Racism

24.09.2004 04:32

This article explicitly states that it's a repost of an article from a Baghdad paper. One single line of the translated article says about the JAMI group "In its statements, JAMI warns against the Jewish conspiracies in Iraq."

So Harry comes along, makes two overtly racist statements, asserts that there are "elements of truth to them", then accuses this "far left website" of being "anti-semitic", for reporting second-hand that one of a list of Iraqi resistance groups thinks that Israel has some involvement in the Iraq occupation:

 http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/441208.html
 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/442148.html
 http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040628fa_fact

So yes, Harry, your instincts are correct: you are a racist pig. Thanks for alerting us to how anti-semitic all these towelheads and shvartzes are.

David


yes

24.09.2004 08:14

... apart from being racist and anti-semetic, it is also factually wrong.

It should have said 'zionist' and not jewish - as we all know the two things are very far apart.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


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24.09.2004 16:43

David you are an ignorant moron. I gave those two statements as examples of comments that far leftists like you lot would condemn instantly, contrasting it with a 100% anti-semitic statement that was not condemned. Another point with those statements is that they have an element of truth to them - statistically and proportionately more blacks criminals than whites, tho it has nothing to do with race and is due to poverty and so on, and many Muslims don't agree with "Western values" such as democracy and individualism, as Islam in Muslim countries is very total, and many Muslims believe instead in Islamic values. Many Muslims also agree with polygomy and repression of women whereas most in the "West" do not. So those statements are generalisations that have an element of truth to them, and can be understandable, as the racist generalisations of someone who is ignorant. The Jewish conspiracy thing on the other hand is 100% pure anti-semitism. And my point was that you 100% condemn the statements I gave as examples, but not the one which is not excusable by ignorance or unfair generalisations, and is pure racism.

"of a list of Iraqi resistance groups thinks that Israel has some involvement in the Iraq occupation"

No they said that "Jewish conspiracies" were in Iraq. Oh and hang on, you're calling me a racist pig for giving examples of statements that you would condemn as racist and which I clearly never said I believed, and you still don't condemn the anti-semitic fascist statement! Even mad ol jackslucid admits it was anti-semitic.

Harry


Oh David. you ignorant moron.

24.09.2004 17:40

Don't you realise that when harry says that statements have "elements of truth to them", he means he profoundly disagrees with them? Try to be a well-informed moron like harry, please.

And jackslucid, we have no idea whether the Arabic original says "Jewish" or "zionist", since we're only seeing the translation into English here, so there's no way of knowing whether the author's piece was anti-semitic or not.

Unless harry insists that it is, of course. hahahahaha!

Oi harry. Still think that Seymour Hersh and New Yorker magazine are part of the anti-semitic tendency in the non-rightwing press, eh? Still think the New Yorker and Ha'aretz are framing up Israel, with their vicious propaganda? Course that's assuming you bothered to read the links before spouting again. Silly me!

Ian


sigh, a reply

24.09.2004 18:07

I complained that an anti-semitic thing was posted and there was no condemnation. I then asked rhetorically how long it would take for me to be called a racist pig by you lot if I made those two statements, and said not very long I expect, despite the fact that those two GENERALISATIONS had ELEMENTS OF TRUTH to them. I did not dispute that I should be called a racist pig if I made such statements. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy in the fact that if someone made those statements, which have elements of truth to them (proportionate to population there are more blacks that are criminals than whites, tho it has nothing to do with race, so that statement could be put down actually to ignorance, racist generalisation, etc) there would be instant blanket condemnation as a racist pig, but where there is a statement about "Jewish conspiracies" which is 100% RACISM and ANTI-SEMITISM there is not even a condemnation.

Its called pointing out hypocrisy. The statement about blacks would invoke instant condemnation and accusations of the speaker being an evil racist pig, despite the fact that it could be excused as ignorance and racist generalisation, as it had an element of truth to it. Likewise the Muslim statement, which is a generalisation with some truth to it. But the Jewish statement, which is 100% anti-semitism, Protocols of Zion type stuff, was not even condemned.

Harry


sigh, another tiresome dodge from harry

25.09.2004 06:15

But the GENERALISATION about Jewish conspiracies in Iraq does have ELEMENTS OF TRUTH to it, Harry. The Jewish state Israel is indeed conspiring in Iraq, and has been for some time. I provided you with links detailing some Israeli conspiracies in Iraq. You can't disprove a word of them.

So you're forced once again to fall back on the old zionist chestnut of all criticism of Israel being motivated by "RACISM and ANTI-SEMITISM". Do you really expect anyone to take that seriously?


David


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25.09.2004 12:09

"So you're forced once again to fall back on the old zionist chestnut of all criticism of Israel being motivated by "RACISM and ANTI-SEMITISM". Do you really expect anyone to take that seriously?"

Did I ever say that? Are you saying that you believe that ranting about Jewish conspiracies is legitimate "criticism of Israel"?

Harry


Which one are you talking about?

25.09.2004 13:56

Harry digs in further: 'Are you saying that you believe that ranting about Jewish conspiracies is legitimate "criticism of Israel"? '

Who are you accusing of "ranting about Jewish conspiracies"?
The original article, which you haven't read?
The Seymour Hersh article, which you haven't read?
The Ha'aretz article, which you haven't read?
Or the translation above, which you've clearly skimmed at speed for mentions of the word "Jewish", so you could start raving about RACISM and ANTI-SEMITISM, and the protocols of Zion.

I guess you're probably referring to the single short line in the long translation above, to which you have not one single clue what the author was referring in the original Arabic. Did it say "Jewish", or "Zionist", or "Israeli"? There's no link in the translation to the original, and I doubt you could read it if there was.

And I'm still waiting for you to refute my evidence about conspiracies by the Jewish state of Israel in Iraq.


David


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25.09.2004 14:20

"which you've clearly skimmed at speed for mentions of the word "Jewish", so you could start raving about RACISM and ANTI-SEMITISM, and the protocols of Zion"

No I read the whole article to see what it was about and what it was going to say about the so-called "resistance" in Iraq, wondering if it would try to paint them as freedom fighters.

"you're probably referring to the single short line in the long translation above, to which you have not one single clue what the author was referring in the original Arabic. Did it say "Jewish", or "Zionist", or "Israeli"? There's no link in the translation to the original, and I doubt you could read it if there was."

I have no idea what the "original" said. Neither do you. This is a translation of an Iraqi article. For all I know the whole thing might have been falsified in the process of translation. But it states quite clearly something about JEWISH conspiracies. You have absolutely no evidence it really said "Zionist" or "Israeli", you just wish it did because you don't like to admit that opposition to the state of Israel you hate so much may sometimes involve anti-semitism or be motivated by anti-semitism.

Oh, and you STILL haven't condemned it as blatant anti-semitism.

Harry


Demanding proof of a negative

26.09.2004 18:12

"You have absolutely no evidence it really said 'Zionist' or 'Israeli'"

Heh heh! No Harry, don't try turning this around. No one has to prove a negative for you: you're the one who made the accusation on the thinnest of evidence, not me.

"Oh, and you STILL haven't condemned it as blatant anti-semitism."

As soon as you provide some evidence that it is, I'll condemn it.

And I'm still waiting for you to refute my evidence about conspiracies by the Jewish state of Israel in Iraq.

David


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26.09.2004 22:59

"Heh heh! No Harry, don't try turning this around. No one has to prove a negative for you: you're the one who made the accusation on the thinnest of evidence, not me."

I made my accusation on the basis of WHAT THE ARTICLE SAYS. You are making your counter-claim and defence on an UNFOUNDED CLAIM ON WHAT THE ARTICLE MAY IN FACT HAVE SAID BEFORE IT WAS TRANSLATED. YOU are the one that has to provide evidence, as I am assuming that the article is correctly translated, whereas you are claiming maybe it wasn't, without any evidence.

The issue of translation is also frankly irrelevant. We are discussing the article that has been posted, not some distant form of it. And do you not think that this group claiming that they expose "Jewish conspiracies" in Iraq would perhaps make them the slightest teeniest bit anti-semitic? Given that they said not Zionist, not Israeli, but JEWISH conspiracies? Do you know a thing about anti-semitic stereotypes and racism? Have you ever heard that Jews are in fact communists and capitalist conspirators that introduce drugs and homosexuality to undermine white gentile society and create a world government based in Jerusalem? Ever heard of the Protocols of Zion, the pillar of world anti-semitism and Holocaust-creation, which alleges that Jews are conspirators secretly pulling strings and running the world and so on? Never seen the Nazi cartoons of the big hook nose rabbi pulling the strings on Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, etc?

Harry


Keep shouting Harry, it's SO persuasive.

27.09.2004 18:46

"I made my accusation on the basis of WHAT THE ARTICLE SAYS."

No, you made your accusation based on WHAT ONE WORD OF ONE LINE OF WHAT THE TRANSLATION ABOVE SAYS.

I, on the other hand, have provided evidence that the state of Israel is in fact conspiring in Iraq. You are utterly unable to refute it, so you instead choose to ignore it. Fine. My point is made.

"I am assuming that the article is correctly translated, whereas you are claiming maybe it wasn't, without any evidence. "

Right. You're demanding that I prove that the original article, which we don't have a link to, says the same thing as the translation. You're hoping that by demanding the impossible, you'll somehow prove your unfounded allegation of anti-semitism, using an invisible original as evidence. Nice try!

"The issue of translation is also frankly irrelevant."

Oh, it's irrelevant, is it? Because you say so? Well, bollocks. Categorical assertions aren't proof of anything.

"....anti-semitic stereotypes and racism..."
"...Jews are in fact communists and capitalist conspirators that introduce drugs and homosexuality to undermine white gentile society and create a world government based in Jerusalem..."
"...Protocols of Zion, the pillar of world anti-semitism and Holocaust-creation..."
"...Jews are conspirators secretly pulling strings and running the world..."
"...Nazi cartoons of the big hook nose rabbi pulling the strings..."

Yes, I've heard of all those things. What precisely do you hope to prove by mentioning them here? Do you think that doing so somehow bolsters your indefensible case that the single line of the translation above with the word "Jewish" in it makes this article comparable to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" hoax?

David


hang on a minute

29.09.2004 16:45

Isn't the original article simply _reporting_ what this group say in their propaganda?

(and if reporting anti-semitic views is itself anti-semitic then so are you Harry, QED)

type


Disingenuous descriptions

25.02.2007 09:23

As a member of the coalition forces intelligence community in Iraq, where I've been for the last 11 months, I found the following paragraph hilarious, yet sad. Who but gullible idiots in the West would actually believe this? I shared this with one of my trusted Iraqi Security Forces counterparts, who was incredulous.

"These groups have common denominators, the most important of which perhaps are focusing on killing US soldiers, rejecting the abductions and the killing of hostages, rejecting the attacks on Iraqi policemen, and respecting the beliefs of other religions. There is no compulsion to convert to Islam, this stems from their Islamic creed, their reading of the jurisprudence texts and historical events, and their respect for the directives and appeals of the Islamic organizations and religious dignitaries."

None of these groups shy from murdering/beheading/torturing their fellow Muslims. Every Muslim in Iraq knows this. That's why many of the Sheikh's in Anbar are banding together to fight them. The quickest way to get coalition forces to leave Iraq is for them to stop killing each other. They don't really want us to leave, they want us to stay so they can continue to fight. Simple logic.

Anonymous


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