Grafics for the ESF

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04.10.2004 20:58

Firstly, I am not an SWP member. But I am disgusted that at a gathering of 1000s of left activists, who want to fight against the capitalist system, you decide to childishly target the SWP, instead of the real enemy. I am not saying that the SWP are wonderful, just that I don't think making t-shirts slagging off another left wing party is going to help us achieve our goals...

Red

good one

04.10.2004 21:23

funniest thing i've seen on this site for ages : )))))

another ordinary person

g8 dinosuar

04.10.2004 21:51

nevermind, maybe next year

oiyoiy

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04.10.2004 22:06

This report is inaccurate, non-news, and just comment because

(1) SWP is, quite clearly, not ESF backwards
(2) It is not news that the SWP are wank, this was, quite frankly, revealed decades ago

This report does adhere to the editorial guidelines and should be retrospectively hidden.

h

room 101?

04.10.2004 22:10

indymedia gets more like a ford foundation funded ROOM 101 every day.......................

the section for hidden posts must be almost big enough to fill the underground chambers of the pentagon by now !!!!!!!

me

... Correction

04.10.2004 22:17

I meant to write:
"This report does not adhere to the editorial guidelines ...."
In the above

h

The 'real' enemy

04.10.2004 22:38

Red, to make a comment like that clearly shows that like the SWP to which you you deny being a member, you have no idea who the real enemy is. Anybody who still believes that the 'left' is a tangible alternative to the 'right' and believes that the SWP in any way constitutes that alternative will never grasp the true answer to the question you pose, i.e. why is the left so fragmented?

What is the difference between state owned industry and industry owned state? Either way, the power elite will do very nicely thank you and the remainder will either struggle to eek an existence or kiss arse for preferential treatment.

Ask your friendly neighbourhood SWP representative why they do not support the Marks and Spencer picket. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is supported by the Revolutionary Communist Party, has it? Surely not! And where does this directive come from? Was it a democratic or consensus decision by the SWP membership? Was it fuck! It was issued from the top in a deliberate act of vandalism. And whilst the SWP play big boys' hide and seek around the council estates of East Lancashire with the BNP - the real fascism is being shuffled in using the 'democratic' process which is supposedly so precious to us!

Judging by the ESF agenda I suspect that much of the 'progressive' left is playing matador with its sheep, presenting the cape as the threat whilst he slowly wears them out (repressive desublimation) until he finally plunges his sword.

Don't believe this? Then ask yourself why the 'progressive' left are so obsessed with G8 when as any fule no that the real decisions are made and the real power resides within the Bilderberg Group. And IndyMedia players like spacebunny will do their utmost to persuade you otherwise.

Why? Well you had better ask him who is pulling his strings.

Zinfandel

and while we are on that subject

04.10.2004 22:51

Quote" from h
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04.10.2004 23:06
This report is inaccurate, non-news, and just comment because
(1) SWP is, quite clearly, not ESF backwards
(2) It is not news that the SWP are wank, this was, quite frankly, revealed decades ago
This report does adhere to the editorial guidelines and should be retrospectively hidden."

Well h maybe s/hes a bit dyslectic its nearly the same letters and in reality I do beleive they are the same SWP = WEF
opps i ment esf :0
since they've fairly railroaded the whole thing

THE FUCKING ESF WASNT SET UP TO CATER FOR POLITICAL PARTIES but its too late now anyway
back to the subject I recon this should be on the front page it really is very funny
ta An_ordanery_person

red(& black)

Mmmmmmmmmm

04.10.2004 23:01

Zifandel, interesting - I agree, more more than less. Except the last para, about which there is a very good discussion to be had: around the power relationship between the richest nations states, g8, and private finance/power strucures. Does the nation state become all powerful, fascist, or will it fade away through privatisation of practically everything. A world no less fascist, but without boundaries for capital.

For another time though, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

h

more of the same

04.10.2004 23:15

swp
swp

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An_ordanery_person

Hold My Last But One Comment! "Correction"

04.10.2004 23:20

red(& black)has a valid point.

Is it the SWP that's on in London for 3 days? And have the ESF taken it over? Or what?

h

a cock clutched in a fist labelled wank

04.10.2004 23:57

is great symbolism for the reductionist deductionist cartesian left at this time
Get your hands off your willies, boys
There's a whole world reduction going on out here

dh

pws spelt backwards is - what???

04.10.2004 23:58

Maybe the socialist workers party is dyslexic? Maybe they got it all wrong, when they decided to hijack the european social forum? Maybe they thought it is a socialist workers forum, swf? And how would that spell backwards? Yes, the European Social Forum was probably condemned to be the kiss of youth for old style parties from the beginning. But it is still sad to see how it has been corrupted even more during the last year. Not only did the official esf manage to put most grassroots movements off, not only were some optimistic, horizontally-minded people forced to waste far too much time and energy on petty power struggles with swp honchos, no, the official planners are not even able to provide accommodation for the tens of thousands of people they invited, and furthermore, they are not even able to provide accommodation for the translators who are giving their time and skills for FREE! Thats SWP hospitality, great. ESF spelt backwards is SWP, and I doubt that this is the way to go.

spellcheck

yeah! slam those fuckin Saddam-loving SWP wankers

05.10.2004 09:41

Fukcing traitor Socialist Wankers with their Respect George 'I love saddam' Galloway and all those other sell-outs while our lads sort out Iraq. Gibve em, hell!

http://www.respectcoalition.co.uk

Right Is Right

Any one wanna take direct action against these 'wankers'?

05.10.2004 09:59

Well someone's done some publicity and agitprop to expose what the SWP have already done to the ESF. Seems like a natural progression to get some Direct Action together for the ESF to make their frigging lives hell!

Anyone up of it

The time HAS come
mail e-mail: the_only_good_trots_a_dead_one@realsocialjustice.org

Save the Social Forum Not the Socialists!

05.10.2004 10:22

Don't give up on the social forum. The event will be great. The autonomous events will be great too. Many of the people who will come won't know anything about all the crap that's gone on - this has really only been an ongoing nightmare for a few people - and that's the tragedy, that such a possible huge participative process was closed down by a bunch of authoritarian types. BUT they are NOT THE FORUM!!

We are all the forum if we wish...

green and black

they are everywhere!

05.10.2004 11:05

I agree with green and black , we ‘are the forum’ and there will a very diverse range of people at a brilliant event. However, having been to Florence and Paris ESF’s, the leadership will have treated the deployment of their cadres like a military operation. They will certainly make sure that they have stalls strategically placed, they will attempt to create ‘spontaneous’ one solution rallies and being London, their base, they will have hundreds of paper sellers thrusting their rag in our faces... I suggest that if this becomes too obtrusive , we need ideas to ensure they are reduced and in some cases removed. Believe me, it really does spoil the ambience of the event, to have some Trot shouting at you why you are having your dinner.

manc man

Burn them paper sellers down!

05.10.2004 11:31

take some flame throwers and burn the fuckers papers. Better still just take a zippo/lighter, engage in some sales type conversation then let rip. Paper ignites really effectively from the bottom up.

Take direct action against the authoritarians that have attempted to claim the forum for themselves. Kick the stalls legs away from underneath them! Take their placards and subvert them. Rip the socialist wanker branding off and rebrand. Give the fuckers ulcers and induce some much needed paranoia!

Revenge is sweet

I don't believe it!

05.10.2004 13:07

Yeah. Instead of discussing with people of various political leanings, you should attack anti-capitalist, pro-communist forces, instead of uniting against the real enemy, the capitalists. I cannot believe someone actually raised the idea of direct action against the SWP. The non-left must be laughing...Imagine on a May Day demo, and nobody reaches their destination, because a tiny bunch of anarchists start fighting with socialists. Pathetic.

Red

Anyone wanna help liberate and redisribute all the paper sellers money?

05.10.2004 16:02

Hey just think about it. All those paper sellers, all that money - where's it gonna go?

Intervene directly

Liberate and Re-Distribute - Marx would be proud

Y-fronts? Just be yourself!

so it's okay for you lot to rip people off then?

06.10.2004 10:10

I see, so if people *choose* to spend their money on Trot papers, you feel perfectly entitled to steal it, presumably because you are better than everyone else?

I can just imagine how self-righteously furious you'd all be if some Trot nicked money off you...

you bunch of hypocrites

You are all a disgrace to anarchism

06.10.2004 12:08

Anarchism, if it's about anything, is about a belief in personal freedom combined with respect for others.

It is NOT about inflicting your doctrines on others and it is NOT about fucking up the efforts of those who ought to be your allies, no matter how annoying individual Trots might be.

If people don't want to play your game then that's their decision. You are not doing our cause any good by behaving like a bunch of naughty schoolkids nicking people's dinner money.

Anarchist is not (shouldn not?) be a synonym for "selfish tosser".

Fuck you all.

A real anarchist who understands what the word fuckin means

right on Red

22.10.2004 00:34

right on Red,
in the war of circulation they jus' keep on sellin newspapers!

yer radical alternative

Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein

UK Indymedia

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