Just because the Nazis put forward an idea doesn't automatically make it a bad one or even a totalitarian related one. For example, many Nazis were strong environmentalists and they passed legislation to conserve trees, National Parks, etc.

Also, wasn't the main pricniple of the EU, when it was formed, peace? The main reason for its formation was to prevent a war in Europe from taking place again, ie those who came up with the idea also had the phrase "never again" in mind.

i recommend you read the article posted today about lawyers saying the usa is becoming a police state because the same is happening here, id cards etc. the justification for it is the lie that is "alqaeda" and islamic terrorism. the nwo (they are really behind the terror acts) are scaring us into accepting police state proposals, big brother...id cards etc. the eu was has nothing to do with "never again" and preventing wars. its all to do with centralised power, a federal takeover of sovereign nations. blair is no patriot looking out for britains interests, nor are the other nwo european leaders.

Brussels elite accused over 'federalist coup' (london telegraph)
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels

Britain will lose control of foreign policy and defence and will be stripped of its sovereign power to legislate in almost all areas of national life, under the draft text of the European constitution released yesterday.

Sweeping aside British objections, the document establishes the European Union on a "federal basis", enjoying "primacy over the law of the member states".

The 16 articles unveiled at the European Parliament are the first piece of a constitutional text being drawn up for the Convention on the Future of Europe.

Article 3 gives the EU powers to "co-ordinate the economic policies of the member states", which covers fiscal policy.

Article 4 says "the Union shall have competence to define and implement a common foreign and security policy, including the progressive framing of a common defence policy".

Virtually all the current activities of the British Government will fall under the "exclusive" or "shared competence" of the EU, meaning that Westminster will be prohibited from legislating unless Brussels chooses to waive its primacy.

The areas cover public health, social policy, transport, justice, agriculture, fisheries, energy, economic and social cohesion, the environment, internal and external trade, and consumer protection.

The Government reacted with horror to the text yesterday, accusing an elite group of insiders on the convention's 13-member praesidium of carrying out a "federalist" coup.

Downing Street's envoy to the convention, Peter Hain, the Welsh Secretary, said the authors had disregarded the collective will of the 105 members of the body, which is drawn from MEPs, MPs, and governments of the EU's 28 current and future states.

He said:"The praesidium has got a lot of explaining to do, and we'll be making clear that a lot of the material in the draft has got to change." Mr Hain added that the text appeared to "put the EU in charge of foreign policy and economic governance", even though the working groups were divided or had rejected such proposals outright.

He said a large group of countries, including France, Spain, Holland and Romania was "very unhappy" about the document, pointing to a future blocking alliance that would force the praesidium to retreat.

"The member states are the key building blocks of the European Union. There is no question at all of a federal superstate being erected here in Brussels," he said.

Tim Kirkhope, an MEP and Tory justice spokesman, accused the praesidium of flirting with "dictatorship".

He said: "This puts our parliamentary democracy under grave threat. It turns the EU on its head by saying that everything is the competence of Brussels unless determined otherwise. It is totally unacceptable to the British people."

The text of the constitution is being released in chunks, culminating in a final version by early summer. The convention delegates can suggest changes, but they do not have voting power to impose their views.

EU diplomats said the praesidium had been hijacked by a group of EU insiders. The two European commissioners on the body, France's Michel Barnier and Portugal's Antonio Vitorino, have taken charge, bringing in commission lawyers to draft the language.

There was speculation last night that the term "federal basis" would be removed from the final text as a sop to Britain, although this would not in any way lessen the transfer of power to Brussels.

In theory, any state can veto the document at the end of an "inter-governmental" vetting process this autumn, giving the Britain a second chance to slow the juggernaut.

But the convention's president, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, says that no one state should be allowed to block the majority, saying that naysayers will have to leave the EU altogether.

Obviously was a bad idea oin nazi terms but I dont think a united europe is a bad idea. I think a lot of the people doing it now are no better than the nazis in economic terms at least. The whole union is pretty unaccountable which is never going to be a good thing just takes one wanker getting into power and we'd be fucked.In the long run europe needs to be united but by the people not by politicians and businessmen. The nazis did have good ideas. The party that exterminated millions of people and started the most devastating war in history banned fox hunting in about 1938 because it was barbaric!