Bravo to Workers Power's openness and honesty Workers in making a move into 'Anti-Capitalism'! It is a sign that there is no longer a Labour or Socialist Movement in which self-respecting Leninists or Trotskyites can operate.

You do still want to take control of the government and state by a coup d'etat, like the SWP, Socialist Party, and a dozen or so other Leninist sects did, as per the Russian Bolshevik revolution, dont you? Or has that gone out the window?

What are COMMUNISTS doing getting involved in the anti-capitalist movement? This is a disgrace.

I thought only anarchists were allowed to organise this stuff (and only anarchists allowed to attend).

... and speak from knowledge, Humph; you may not be being 100% accurate there.

(Available online).

Every alternative to capitalism has failed. You should have learnt that from history. Anti-capitalism died in 1989 with the end of communism in eastern Europe. The experiment in anti-capitalist communism began in Russia in 1917 and was a failure! It was also a failure in every single country it was ever implimented in from North Korea to Vietnam and Cuba!

So, Michael, you're saying that the only alternative to capitalism is a centralised communist command-economy administrated by a one party state and that this has failed therefore we must accept capitalism.

I accept that this view may make sense to you but to those who are familiar with anti-capitalist politics you come across as naive, ignorant, and dare I say it not very bright.

Sorry, just letting you know.

If you are totally unfamiliar with revolutionary politics today then by all means it's a good idea to read up on it on websites like this. But try 'lurking' for a bit before you disagree / totally dismiss the entire movement, it's tedious for all of us if you can't offer us an argument that's any more sophisticated or original than the one you gave. I'm afraid I can't be bothered to engage with it this time because I've had this debate so many times before. But I'm sure other readers will be able to explain why you're talking nonsense.

Michael, you're giving us a three line synopsis of Fukuyama's End of History book. His arguments have all pretty much been demolished now. You're about 10 years too late with this one! If its the basis of an essay you need to be a bit more critical. I recommend Martin Parkers (ed) Utopia and Organization as a remedy against this kind of stale thinking.

Michael, you sound like a parody of yourself!

Michael, you sound like a parody of yourself!

Globalise Liberation (Edited by David Solnit).
Movement Of Movements (Edited by Tom Mertes).
Change the World Without Taking Power: the meaning of revolution today. (John Holloway)

Also check out New Internationalist magazine to keep abrest with current issues such as WTO / IMF / World Bank / War / GM corporate takeover of the food chain / Bio-piracy / indigenous people / international debt / forced privatisation / the crimes of big business / the arms trade / unions / Palestine / etc...

Good try Mike but you are talking to an empty room here, the failure of Socialism (and all its variations) will never be recognised by many who contribute to this board.

The latest "good" idea is some sort of loose Anarchist / Vegan / Anti-capitalist / Anti-Globalisation clap trap that keeps them busy for hours. It mostly consists off empty meanigless protests - US Embassy, Medical Research Labs, MoD etc (you can guess the rest)

The reallity of real life and the success of free market democratic capitalism is not something many of them yet grasp but in time they all realise it. It just takes a while for the less bright ones !

Yeah well done mister Ho Hum for trying to be patronising back. Nice Try To You To.

SUCCESS???

Sweatshop labour all over the third world, in conditions of near slavery?

The gap between the rich and the poor growing larger every year?

Hundreds of thousands killed in wars for oil?

The profiteering elite growing fat on the hard work of ordinary people?

HOW THE HELL can any of this be considered "success"?

Success for who???

Does capitalism give you a job you enjoy? (If so you're one of the lucky few!)
Does capitalism foster a sense of community and togetherness? Does it not isolate people and divide them from eachother when they could be fighting together in solidarity to overthrow their dictators or build new non-hierarchical institutions which could by-pass the system and make capital obsolete?

Do people receive the full benefit of their work under capitalism or is it syphoned off to the people at the top of the pyramid?

HOW CAN THE GLOBAL CAPITALIST SYSTEM BE DESCRIBED AS A SUCCESS?

Has it "succeeded" in Africa and Latin America, which have been (and continue to be) plundered for such a long time by the West? I dare say it's been a relative success for the west itself - we've grown rich out of exploited the rest of the world. I don't call that success, I call it injustice.

Again, what are your criteria for success and like I say, SUCCESS FOR WHO?

This system is a failure and it is unfair.

And has it been an ecological success? Has it f*ck - deforestation, climate change, rising sea levels, mass extinction... all in the name of higher and higher profits (which cannot ultimately be sustainable in the long run) for the small majority who milk the system.

How dare you call us thick when you have NO knowledge of our political philosophy at all?

Our so called """latest "good" idea is some sort of loose Anarchist / Vegan / Anti-capitalist / Anti-Globalisation clap trap that keeps them busy for hours and that mostly consists off empty meanigless protests - US Embassy, Medical Research Labs, MoD etc (you can guess the rest)"""

is a well thought out school of thought and method of practice which is fast becoming the most important global world-wide political movement on the planet. Ever.

How are protests at the US Embassy, etc, meaningless? And what about the enormous street battles surrounding summits of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organisation, World Economic Forum, Free Trade Area Of The Americas, G8, and all the rest of them?? They were hardly empty - and as for "meaningless" either you haven't looked very hard at all or you are refusing to see the meaning.

The phrase "clap trap" is a term used to try to rubbish something you don't understand. Or know is true but wish to deny.

You clearly have no understanding whatsoever of what we are protesting about and what we aim to do about it and yet you are only to quick to show of your prejudice and small -mindedness and try to dismiss an entire movement with the wave of your hand.

Trust me, you're making yourself look like an idiot.

See what I mean ?

Some of them get so excited. It is fun !

to capitalist sympathisers on this board - just because you choose to ignore facts, doesn't mean they don't exist. You will soon be in your rightful place - in the dustbin of history!

Funny my Mercedes doesn't look like a dustbin !

We, the Middle Class, White, Capitalists rule the world. We have money, power, and privalige. You have this platform to talk to each other !

Type away little boy, type away.

HA HA HA HA HA

keep on talking shit troll, your life is garbage.

Ho Hum, I'd bet money you don't have a Mercedes. So why do you feel the need to be subservient and stick up for people who do. Butt-licker.

Probably doesn't even own the police car he drives around so mindlessly.

Have a reasonable discussion or don't bother commenting. If you're bored then go and read a book or something.