... anti-SWPer!!!!

Any chance of corrobarating evidence?

And, its not just MPH that people are going to Edinburgh for, is it?

The G8 meeting is still on, and Dissent and G8 alternatives are organising things as well.

Get real - I know it looks like there is going to be nowhere near the number of protestors in Edinburgh that were hoped for this is just a stupid way to try and drum up more. It would be better to try and understand why so few people are prepared to travel to Scotland and protest rather than slagging off the SWP (again !)

The SWP must have hundreds of thousands of members, if the posts on this site are to be believed - after all, they control the anti war movement, the ESF, the anti-nazi movement, Respect and now Make Poverty History. Makes you wonder how they find enough hours in the day?

Anybody know when they will be controlling the world, as I assume the CIA, FBI, MI5 and the Labour Party are also fronts?

Silly person.

this is either deliberate misinformation, or posted by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. I don't have all that much time for MPH, actually, but to suggest that the SWP have it in them to control a coalition including Oxfam, Christian Aid and the Church of England is a bit bizarre.

MPH is guided mainly by large NGOs, who have their own set of problems - but not by the SWP.

Matt

Matt S always seems to be the one who has something sensible to say when everyone else is being sectarian. So why's he slagging of MPH? Surely the bigger a movement we can have the better.

Christian Aid will never be revolutionaries but it's great to see them explicitly condemning neo-liberalism and shouting "fair trade not free trade".

Sure MPH have problems. The biggest one appears to be Oxfam's softly-softly approach and Oxfam's cosy relationship with New Labour. Oxfam have been pissing off the other coalition members by trying to stop them saying anything too radical and for putting MPH in danger of being co-opted by Blair and Brown (who are strongly criticised by very many groups in MPH). Oxfam also vetoed allowing Globalise Resistance and the Stop The War Coalition to join MPH, *not* because those organisations have strong links with the SWP (oxfam probably haven't even heard of the swp) but because Oxfam doesn't want to have anything to do with anti-capitalism.

There are some good organisations in MPH. War On Want for example and World Development Movement, both of which have got a proper radical critique of the G8, and of the whole system.

But even Christian Aid does a lot of good stuff too. Compare our government's DFID department which spends it aid on environmentally destructive socially destructive inefficient hydroelectric dams and other rip-off white elephants on a good day and on a bad day sponsors the Adam Smith Institute to the tune of millions of pounds, or promotes large-scale agri-business based cash crops for export while displacing millions of small farmers... vs Christian Aid which promotes development **from the bottom up** by giving communities chickens and ploughs and stuff like mosquito nets and wells and things which actually help them. The NGO's aren't perfect by any means but they're miles better than the government. I think anti-capitalists would do well to see the NGO's as allies in the fight for global justice. Our various demands all go further than theirs but their demands are at least going in the right direction.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be critical - just that I don't reckon it helps to be slagging them off and dismissing them all the time. There's way too much sectarianism, it seems like everyone's only got time for their own particular style of activism and to hell with everyone else who wants to make a difference.

PS I read the other day on Indymedia that Dissent! are a front group for the SWP... quite comedy really ;-) Whatever will they think of next?