no borders.. great!

but what about governments? arent you forgetting the main problem?>

capitalism/globalisation --- no borders but retaining governments is just GLOBALISATION

you lot better start thinking about these things.

you do realise that the EU superstate is all about no european borders >>> ID card (guess what it will be used for = internal EU passport)

globalisation thrives upon freedom of movement but within the paradigm of capital, ownership and retention of power.

You start protesting governments and then i will get behind you, until then.. enjoy your free trade, free movement, free world domain under the umbrella of global capitalism.

Yeah,but governments need borders to define the limits of their sovereignty.

This comes in handy when you want to kill off a load of your poor/dissenters by collaborating with another government who want to get rid of a load of theirs, to arrange a wee stooshie.

It also stops people travelling to visit other people in order to get rid of governments, as you have to have a permit and promise to behave, in order to cross the 'border'.

Borders are one thing hierarchies require in order to keep subjects reigned in. Rejecting borders means rejection of the right to set a border, to define where people can go, to define one group of people as legitimate in place, and others not.

Rejecting borders means encountering and treating people as people, not members of spurious 'nations'. Rejecting borders means rejecting the policy of keeping people in some places poor and letting other people be less poor, in order to play them off against each other, while a rich few take the piss out of everyone.

Rejecting borders might not be a total solution, but nothing is.

Getting rid of government wouldn't necessarily get rid of hierarchy, ageism, sexism, racism, or any other form of discrimination, or automatically result in the world we all hope and work for. Its one part of the solution. Once government is gone, we have to start getting rid of the damage it has done. And work on the damage done by the bastards that have taken advantage of government, capitalism, and every other form of hierarchy, for their own ends. That's going to take a very long time.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

i think maybe the movement needs to define itself more ;)