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London Terror Tip-off: Timeline Refutes Israeli Denial

Justin Raimondo | 10.07.2005 10:33 | Terror War

In all the rush and emotion of Terror Thursday, I had forgotten the number one axiom for a libertarian journalist: if a government says something, we have to assume they're lying. This goes double for the government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, which has turned "for you own good" paternalism into an excuse for a worrying authoritarianism.


Given the new sequence of events we are presented with, the Israelis' claim that Finance Minister Netanyahu received a warning after the first explosion makes sense -- that is, if their denial that they received a warning before the blasts can be believed.

In denying widespread reports that Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a warning of the London terrorist attacks "minutes before" they occurred, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom claims that "After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere."

The problem with this explanation is that it was only after the third explosion that London police realized they were in the midst of a terrorist attack. Up until that point, authorities thought they were dealing with a series of accidents caused by a power surge, as this timeline from the Australian Times-Herald makes clear:

8.49am (GMT): An incident on the train line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate is reported to British Transport Police.

9.15am: Media reports emergency services called to London's Liverpool Street station after an explosion.

9.24am: Police say the incident was possibly caused by a collision between two trains, a power cut or a power cable exploding. Police report "walking wounded".

9.33am: Passengers told that all underground train services are being suspended because of a power fault across the network.

9.33am: Reports of another incident at Edgware Road station.

9.40am: Police say power surge incidents have occurred on Aldgate, Edgware Road, King's Cross, Old Street and Russell Square stations.

10.02am: Scotland Yard says it is dealing with a "major incident".

10.14am: A witness says that a bus has been ripped apart in an explosion in central London.

10.21am: Scotland Yard reports "multiple explosions".

10.23am: Police confirm an explosion on a bus in Tavistock Place.

10.25am: The BBC's Andrew Marr, with Prime Minister Tony Blair in Scotland, says the PM is "still unsure" whether the explosions are a terrorist attack.

If Netanyahu was told a terrorist attack was underway after the first explosion – which everyone, including the police, thought was due to a power surge – then that’s a lot more than the victims of the subsequent explosions were told as they rode the Tube to their doom. Which means the Foreign Minister’s explanation – Netanyahu was told to stay in his hotel room after the first explosion, rather than show up at the Israeli economic conference at a hotel near Liverpool station – is entirely consistent with the claim that he was tipped off to what was really going on, while the rest of the city stumbled into disaster and, in some cases, death.

Another account draws a somewhat tighter timeline:

"Authorities said they initially thought the explosions were caused by power surges and were reluctant to activate well-practiced procedures designed to shut down the system in the event of a terrorist attack. But when the third explosion occurred at 9:17 a.m. near the Edgware Road station in west London, it was obvious that a coordinated attack was underway. Seven people were killed in that explosion.

The entire London Underground network shut down immediately afterward."

If we take the original leaker at his (or her) word, Netanyahu was told "minutes before" the first explosion. However, even if we believe Minister Shalom’s account, it still points to a weird anomaly: It took a full hour for the rest of London to find out that they were under attack, and yet Netanyahu was privy to this well before anyone else – including Prime Minister Tony Blair.

What did Netanyahu know, when did he know it, and how did he know it? Andrew Sullivan can stuff his ethno-religious special pleading: if there is any "canard" more "tired" and "hideous" than anti-Semitism it is the attempt to reduce all inquiries about Israel's behavior to bigotry. These questions deserve honest answers. Why is no one asking them?





Justin Raimondo
- Homepage: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2206

Comments

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did anyone know anything?

10.07.2005 11:38

While what/when Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu knew is of interest, the 'facts' now appear to be that all three tube bombs went off at more or the less the same time.

It seems most bizarre that initial timings were based on when people managed to exit the various stations (the reason why initial reports suggested up to 6 tube bombs).

LT staff MUST have know of the three 'problems' when they happened - even if the cause(s) - power surge/crash/bomb were unknown at that time.

I do not know if there is a single control room for all the affected lines/stations but staff at one/all control room(s) must have known exactly when the trains stopped running and (surely) called the emergency services??

As usual more questions than answers.

ch.


Power surge nonsense

10.07.2005 11:39

The "power surge" explanation was just a place-holder excuse while the Underground tried to figure out what was happening. Nowadays the news channels keep as close an eye on public transport as the public transport controllers do, so they can inform listeners/viewers on the way to work where the hold ups are. The very minute the trains stop the phones start rining with organisations looking for an explanation. "Power Surge" is a credible enough one to get folk off the line until the real reason is discovered. It is, after all, more likely for there to be an electrical explosion on the underground than a terrorist bombing.

mj


Other Zionist crimes

10.07.2005 12:13

You are absolutely right. And not just that, but according to your deeply penetrative analysis which pierces right through the Zionist haze, I can say with full authority that ever since Netanyahu was in town, the water has tasted foul (extra flouride poisoning to keep the masses docile), the pound has devalued, drought has plagued farms, and the other day I'm sure I saw a cloud of pestilence hovering over Oxford. Let's shave Bibi's head and I'm sure the 666 tatoo will be revealed. Strike up the Wagnerian theme tune, it's apocalypse time baby.

Antisemites Anonymous


Silly thinking

10.07.2005 12:50

What's silly is imagining that if "Bibi" (Netanyahu) had quick warning that this necessarily came from BRITISH intelligence. The Israelis are no slouches in that business and warnings likely to have gone in the other direction. But the Israelis are also known as "nervous Nellies" and report far more threats than actually materialize -- their intelligence is know to usually err on the side of caution.

The point I am making is that as long as ONE of the Israeli intelligence alerts was about a possible attack on the London tube system then as soon as word of a major power failure on the system they would conclude "that one was for real".

There is a real confusion about what it means to have "foreknowledge" about an event. Suppose one has been given "intelligence" about ten possible attacks and ones resources would stretch to defend against just one or two (of the ten). AFTER the event, it might be said "there was foreknowledge -- why wasn't the attack defended against" and too many of you are doing just that, trying to come up with a sinister explanations of why, if there was this foreknowledge, no action taken to porevent the attack. But you DON'T in fact know that no action was taken against a "guess" of which of the possible attacks was most likely. The foreknowledge only was about a list of possibilities, NOT which of these would materialize.

Mike
mail e-mail: stepbystpefarm mtdata.com


And the real Perps will do it again

10.07.2005 13:19

It's traditional and convenient to blame the Israelis for every heinous Islamic act.
It still doesn't change the fact that Muslims are most likely the culprits, as they have been in almost every major terrorist act on the planet..
Cowtowing to Muslims will make it worse not better. "Moderate" Muslims in our midst are merely a Trojan Horse for the "radicals".

No matter What, Always Blame the Israelis


what bibi knew

10.07.2005 14:53

john c


One thing for certain...

10.07.2005 15:00

....at least one person was tipped off to London attacks.

Oy Vey Bibi


idiot

10.07.2005 15:47

every israeli knew better when they heard it was a 'power surge'... we live with this everyday, so of course netanyahu was told to stay in his hotel room you fucking nudnik.

shlomo


Please no more of this nonsense

10.07.2005 17:26

The police knew more or less immediately that they were dealing with bombs. According to the Observer today, it was decided not to announce this immediately 'to prevent panic'. It is obvious that as soon as the explosions happened, US and Israeli embassies would be informed as possible targets.

Anyway we now know the timeline is wrong, that all train bombs exploded more or less simultaneously at around 8:53 am, with the bus bomb happening about an hour later. So plenty of time between for the Israelis to be informed between the police hearing about the bombs and the final explosion.

The trouble with all this stuff is that its only a short step from 'the Israelis knew' to the 'jews were behind the bomb', just as happened with 9/11.

rationalist


Such a perfect day

10.07.2005 18:39

>> The trouble with all this stuff is that its only a short step from 'the Israelis knew' to the 'jews were behind the bomb', just as happened with 9/11.

Or that all Muslim employees at the WTC failed to show on 11/9, while their children pre-warned favourite teachers (depending on your flavour of bigotry).

Sitting in the garden today, gradually coating myself in carcinogenic rust while WWII aeroplanes droned overheard, I thought wasn't it a happy coincidence that the war ended in the summer months? One could almost suspect that the Space Aliens and Illumnati arranged it in order to please the docile sheepies with anniversary garden-parties.

Hmmm...

Alec


May

10.07.2005 18:55

As Her Majesty Herself, sounding a little pissed-off, said in Her Speech, the War in Europe ended in May. In the Pacific in September.

What this day was chosen for this conmemoration, patriotic sentiments and poppy-shower: Who knows?

andrés


Exercises?

10.07.2005 18:58

I don't know. I saw very early the Netanyahu tip-off report, while all the media I could see (internet) and hear (bbc 5-live) from here was still not too sure... before the bus-bomb (3, they said at first) was confirmed...

In fact, I awoke with a start from deep sleep that early that morning (unusual) and with a start, in time to hear the first report of an 'electrical problem' on spanish radio (I'm in Barcelona). I was expecting trouble in Stirling, so I went then to monitor the net.

But I thought, well, it's well-known that israeli intelligence, in this (supposed) field, is the best.

As time went by, it became very clear that information was being very tightly controlled. And now, that the spin is already in. You/we should be afraid, be very afraid: That is the message.

So, I thought back to the 9/11 truth-seeking phenomenom, and checked out some of their sites, and came across the (normal in USA?) commercially-minded Alex Jones's site (  http://infowars.com/ ) and his report that there was some kind of 'crisis management exercise' underway that morning (  http://infowars.com/articles/London_attack/same_time.htm ) - echong the exercise that was later revealed to have been underway when the twin towers were hit on 9/11 (  http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm - and see here:  http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline25pg ).

Could this explain in some way the delay in recognising and reacting to what had happened on the London tube on the morning of the 7th July - like on 9/11, the official word would have been "it's only an exercise"?

Re-listening to the audio from the 5-live audio, it's not clear what kind of exercise is referred to: Could this be no more than some corporate 'brainstorming' session in an office, or was there a larger exercise going on, with people on the ground?

Investigation, please.

What is clear is that the BLiar presidency is already capitalising on events (apart from sowing fear at home) on the international level, proclaiming for example, according to La Vanguardia in this case, that "the only way to defeat this terrorist threat is by exporting our european values to the rest of the world."

The man needs his head examined.

Cheers from Spain

andrés


War's end

10.07.2005 19:18

>> As Her Majesty Herself, sounding a little pissed-off, said in Her Speech, the War in Europe ended in May. In the Pacific in September.

Which is why I placed War's end in the, somewhat vague, summer months! The official explanation for the choice of 10 July is that it lies halfway between VE and VJ Days.

What was Beth pissed-off about? The postponement from May, or bringing-forward from September? Rancour at the sidelining of veterans from the Pacific theatre is a long-standing issue.

Alec


Placed/Timed by whom, exactly?

10.07.2005 19:35

Ah, midway. OK, thanks, I wasn't informed. But is it worth asking who programmed all these events (G8, IOC, bombings, patriotic pageant, what comes next), and when? They look so choreographed.

I also thought I detected some rather strong diplomatic language, something about "at least we here in Europe remain true to those ideals" - Europe, not Britain, and no mention of 'Allies' (as in you know who).

Unusual, what?

As for sou8nding pissed-off (more than usual) - maybe someone had been trying to twist her arm, inject a little more neo-imperialistic spin into the speech (in the event there was none, that i could detect).

(Sorry. Guess this should be a seperate thread.)

andrés


This place is just fun, fun, fun

10.07.2005 21:55

>> But is it worth asking who programmed all these events (G8, IOC, bombings, patriotic pageant, what comes next)

Armoured Bears? Finnish witches?

>> and when? They look so choreographed.

I think Jehova is running low on dramatic irony, that's all. In another reality, I would be laughing myself into a coma.

>> Maybe this should be a seperate thread.

No, keep it in this one. It makes more sense than the original subject matter.

Alec


no why not

11.07.2005 11:08

move comments about

change the context of the whole thread

ruin any structure

and

linguistically manipulate opinion

seems to work for Indymedia UK

seems to work for corporate media too

The BBC edits their comments pages
at least they state it [twats that they are]

paul c


Israel Lied When Denying Warnings; Now Claim They Knew Beforehand

11.07.2005 20:56

Israel flip-flops again: after lying about prior warnings, they now confirm intial reports of foreknowledge, and shamelessly milk sympathy by providing an alleged link to a recent attack in Israel.
 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3111121,00.html

Right on cue with the predictable: "See? See how evil the arabs are??"

Israel Milks the Tragedy
- Homepage: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3111121,00.html


re "power surge"

12.07.2005 14:00

"The problem with this explanation is that it was only after the third explosion that London police realized they were in the midst of a terrorist attack. Up until that point, authorities thought they were dealing with a series of accidents caused by a power surge, as this timeline from the Australian Times-Herald makes clear:"

The timeline makes clear shit. The Tube has multiple independent power hook-ups. The "power failure" story has in the meantime been revealed to be part of the SOP which went into place after the Madrid bombings as part of the emergency plan.

People who knew stuff about how the tube works were reported to have gotten the hell out of there when they heard the "power failure" story: they knew that if several tube lines lose power simultaneously, it could only be as part of a massive, CIty-wide blackout. There were no signs of such a blackout, so it was clear to those who knew their tech specs that the "power failure" thing was bogus. Mind you, we're not talking about VIPs, Israeli or otherwise, here, just ordinary folks with an above-normal interest of the works and design of the London Underground.

The powers that be knew, or at least had to assume, immediately after the first explosion that this was a bombing.

I mean, where were you guys in the 80s? It's not like bombings in the Tube were attempted for the first time last week!

And to all those who think that each and every time something goes boom in a Western city, it's the work of THEM[tm]: you want me to believe, seriously, honestly, that there is a) no such thing as the invasino of Iraq, which left millions of Muslims rightfully pissed, b) no such thing as Muslim extremists willing to ditch every Surah calling for moral decency for their own twisted interpretation of a single Surah calling for jihad (whatever that may mean), when there are extremists and fundamentalists eager to kill in every major religion, c) that all these 'fictional' Muslim extremists are complete idiots who couldn't assemble a bomb even with professional help, all the evidence to the contrary from Chechnya and Iraq and Afghanistan nonwithstanding?

Guys, you live in such a small world I honestly pity you.

That being said, it is clear that the 'war against terorism' is a nice opportunity for certain individuals to a) get some things done they've always wanted to do but couldn't justify before 9-11 (like invading Iraq) and b) the usual war profiteers to line their own pockets. It is also clear, if not from 9-11, then from 3-11, that the so-called 'intelligence' services are comprised of ordinary humans, with all their vanity, infighting, desire for glory and other moral weaknesses, and that given the choice between researching a possible terrorist lead and preventing your competitor-for-funds from doing this, most actually will do the latter.
But why should any government commit such an act when there are tens of thousands fanatic idiots around who'd willingly do it for them? And CAN do it for them - as nobody wants to live in an Orwellian world where every step you take is closely watched all the time.

bizita


It's the timing, stupid

12.07.2005 20:26

"But why should any government commit such an act when there are tens of thousands fanatic idiots around who'd willingly do it for them?"

----It's the timing, stupid. And the country of choice. Tens of thousands? Yeah, and most of them are in America, Israel and Britain - the real Axis of Evil. Before the inside job of 9/11 there were few terriorist attacks in the western world. But now that big al-CIAduh has been unleashed, expect many more - AT THE RIGHT GOVERNMENT TIME - from these bastards.

"And CAN do it for them - as nobody wants to live in an Orwellian world where every step you take is closely watched all the time"

----Sure they CAN - if it's an inside job, without which it ain't that easy. Nobody? HA! The elite, the international banksters, the masters of the universe, the powers-that-be - call them what you will - will be perfectly at home in an Orwellian world, doncha think?. No, you probably don't think - hence your snide little comments and dumb questions.

Bubba


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